Okay,so as far as I know,this is the lifespan of these races
Humans - 150 years
Quarians - 150 years (can be reduced to 120 years due infections)
Salarians - 40 years
Turians - 150 years
Asari - 1000 years
Krogan - 800+
And...that's everything I know...
What's the lifespan of the other races that I didn't mention here,like Vorcha,Batarian or Hanars?
Vorcha are short-lived, around 20 years if I recall. Not sure if that fact is mentioned in the codex. But it is mentioned on the official Mass Effect 2 site here.
I assume Batarians are on par with Humans and Turians (and probably Drell as well).
According to this page, average Drell lifespan is 85 years. That is probably about the same for Humans and Turians (and Quarians?).
No idea about the Hanar.
For humanity 150 is only the theoratical maxium, 110-120 seems to be the overall average, I believe this was mentioned in Revelation or Ascension.
Asari and Krogan have same natural lifespan. Although Krogan tend to not live longer as they seem to prefer to live dangerously and they would have even reduced lifespan if the genophage is cured (it convert the immune organs functions)
Wrex was alive near the end of Krogan Rebellion after they unleashed the genophage which was also the time he was exiled... that was more than a thousand years from Mass Effect (2183-2186).
Although I'm not sure Aetytha's story was right. If she was over a thousand years old, it would mean she was the first generation that was conceived during the genophage. But Asari and Krogan have rocky relationship since the time when the krogans turn their backs against Citadel. If her parents were war veterans who fought against each other during Krogan Rebellion... it was quite possible that they fell in love as enemies... ... somewhat impressed.
800+? Krogan live much longer, Just look at okeer... He was a soldier in the krogan rebellions... That was like 2000 years ago
800+? Krogan live much longer, Just look at okeer... He was a soldier in the krogan rebellions... That was like 2000 years ago
The Krogan Rebellions began in 700 CE and "lasted for decades" (per the Wiki). The attack on the Citadel was in 2183 CE and the events of ME2 in 2185 CE. Certainly not "like 2000 years ago." However, Okeer's dossier indicates that he has a "milennia of combat and strategic experience"; so it is clear that the Krogan do live longer than 800 years. They probably do have about the same lifespan as Asari. Interesting though, according to the Wiki article on the genophage, it was deployed in 710 CE... which is only 10 years into the Krogan Rebellions... was it really such an act of desperation or just a slick, convenient way to try to win a war quickly? It seems that work on developing the genophage just have begun almost immediately when the rebellions broke out... if not before (remember Udina's comment in ME3 - "The Salarians like their wars won before they start.")
The Krogan Rebellions began in 700 CE and "lasted for decades" (per the Wiki). The attack on the Citadel was in 2183 CE and the events of ME2 in 2185 CE. Certainly not "like 2000 years ago." However, Okeer's dossier indicates that he has a "milennia of combat and strategic experience"; so it is clear that the Krogan do live longer than 800 years. They probably do have about the same lifespan as Asari. Interesting though, according to the Wiki article on the genophage, it was deployed in 710 CE... which is only 10 years into the Krogan Rebellions... was it really such an act of desperation or just a slick, convenient way to try to win a war quickly? It seems that work on developing the genophage just have begun almost immediately when the rebellions broke out... if not before (remember Udina's comment in ME3 - "The Salarians like their wars won before they start.")
It would make sense that the Salarians had something in the works, especially if one considers what the Krogan were doing leading up to the Rebellions. Uncontrolled breeding, environmental devastation of pristine garden worlds, the taking of other species colonies, etc. It would have been logical to assume that the Salarian Union was planning on doing something to curtail the them, since the Krogan showed no interest in cooperating with the rest of the galaxy.
As for lifespan, Patriarch on Omega (ME 2) was a veteran of the Rachni wars (a 2,000 year old conflict) and he was still remarkably spry. If anything, I would say that the Krogan are effectively, biologically immortal; or pretty dang close to it.
Even the idea that they dropped it within a decade of the Krogan Rebellions breaking out doesn't seem that far-fetched, when you recall that the Krogan are extremely fast breeders when not having to contend with the many natural predators present on Tuchanka.
Could be that 10 years was enough for the rest of the Council species to realise that they couldn't win this conventionally, because despite all the Krogan who had died thus far, the overall population was likely the same (if not greater) than it had been to start with?
Maybe the reason Thresher Maws are located on many worlds around the galaxy is because the Council planted them there deliberately, hoping they'd serve to curb the Krogan population already present or prevent them from wanting to settle on those worlds in the future? When that plan still didn't have the desired results or slow their reproduction rates down, they were forced to cook up the Genophage instead.
It would make sense that the Salarians had something in the works, especially if one considers what the Krogan were doing leading up to the Rebellions. Uncontrolled breeding, environmental devastation of pristine garden worlds, the taking of other species colonies, etc. It would have been logical to assume that the Salarian Union was planning on doing something to curtail the them, since the Krogan showed no interest in cooperating with the rest of the galaxy.
As for lifespan, Patriarch on Omega (ME 2) was a veteran of the Rachni wars (a 2,000 year old conflict) and he was still remarkably spry. If anything, I would say that the Krogan are effectively, biologically immortal; or pretty dang close to it.
Immortal? don't think so... they can still be killed. What would make sense to me is that the degree of variability of natural lifespan increases as the overall duration of lifespan increases. So, if humans live on average between 70 to 80 years with many dying of various "natural" causes in their 60s and some living to over 100, then the natural variance for the krogan would be, perhaps 20 times greater. So, the natural average lifespan of a krogan might be said to be between 1,000 to 2,000 years.
Even the idea that they dropped it within a decade of the Krogan Rebellions breaking out doesn't seem that far-fetched, when you recall that the Krogan are extremely fast breeders when not having to contend with the many natural predators present on Tuchanka.
Could be that 10 years was enough for the rest of the Council species to realise that they couldn't win this conventionally, because despite all the Krogan who had died thus far, the overall population was likely the same (if not greater) than it had been to start with?
Maybe the reason Thresher Maws are located on many worlds around the galaxy is because the Council planted them there deliberately, hoping they'd serve to curb the Krogan population already present or prevent them from wanting to settle on those worlds in the future? When that plan still didn't have the desired results or slow their reproduction rates down, they were forced to cook up the Genophage instead.
Given the Akuze history, I tend to think any thresher maw planting around the galaxy might be the work of Cerberus.
If you look at the Sur'kesh STG base, they were studying Yahg as the next species they were planning to uplift so I suppose they studied the Krogan biology as well and was planning on genophage the moment they realize the Krogan started to multiply when they finally move out of Tuchanka. Planetary radiation was possibly what kept the population in check and their immune system evolved to accommodate this. Eve is probably the only immuno-compromised Krogan you see. But I thought the mutagen that Mordin/Wiks made was more effective at population control.
The writers did really good with the actual science with the lore on Krogan (which was not surprising since Bioware was founded by doctors). Asari biology was by far the most perplexing but later it was attributed to the Protheans' genetic experiment on their species. Good topic on nature and nurture here.
It stands to reason that Krogan bodies are capable of regeneration only a limited number (a high number but limited nonetheless) of times.
It is entirely possible that a Krogan that didn't need to regenerate many times during his life due to injuries and violence might be able to live for thousands of years. His regenerative abilities would only be used to hold back degeneration and natural decay.
The Krogan Rebellions began in 700 CE and "lasted for decades" (per the Wiki). The attack on the Citadel was in 2183 CE and the events of ME2 in 2185 CE. Certainly not "like 2000 years ago." However, Okeer's dossier indicates that he has a "milennia of combat and strategic experience"; so it is clear that the Krogan do live longer than 800 years. They probably do have about the same lifespan as Asari. Interesting though, according to the Wiki article on the genophage, it was deployed in 710 CE... which is only 10 years into the Krogan Rebellions... was it really such an act of desperation or just a slick, convenient way to try to win a war quickly? It seems that work on developing the genophage just have begun almost immediately when the rebellions broke out... if not before (remember Udina's comment in ME3 - "The Salarians like their wars won before they start.")
The genophage wouldn't be a magic bullet to end the fighting. It would take time, years, at least, for the effects to truly be felt. It prevents the krogan from being able to maintaina war of attrition, not stop them from fighting altogether.
So yeah I could imagine the Krogan Rebellions dragging on for years after the deployment of the genophage until krogan losses became unsustainable.
Immortal? don't think so... they can still be killed. What would make sense to me is that the degree of variability of natural lifespan increases as the overall duration of lifespan increases. So, if humans live on average between 70 to 80 years with many dying of various "natural" causes in their 60s and some living to over 100, then the natural variance for the krogan would be, perhaps 20 times greater. So, the natural average lifespan of a krogan might be said to be between 1,000 to 2,000 years.
Being biologically immortal doesn't mean that one can never die, just that one will not die of natural causes. It's obvious that they don't diminish as they get older, and it wouldn't be so hard to imagine that outside of violence, a Krogan will keep on living for thousands and thousands of years.
Being biologically immortal doesn't mean that one can never die, just that one will not die of natural causes. It's obvious that they don't diminish as they get older, and it wouldn't be so hard to imagine that outside of violence, a Krogan will keep on living for thousands and thousands of years.
The female Krogan were obviously not "biologically immortal"... they succumbed to organ failures. With redundant organs, it makes them indeed healthier, but the females showed that they could weaken and even that redundancy could ultimately fail. Also, Wrex and Grunt have a few lines in the Citadel DLC that indicate that "aging" and weakening with age is not an unknown concept among the Krogan. Just because Okeer is indicated as being 2,000 years old, does not mean that all Krogan can live for "thousands and thousands of years." or that they are "biologically immortal."... and BTW, the definition of "immortal" is literally "not mortal; not liable or subject to death; undying" (Dictionary.com) or "not capable of dying : living forever" (Merriam-Webster).
The female Krogan were obviously not "biologically immortal"... they succumbed to organ failures. With redundant organs, it makes them indeed healthier, but the females showed that they could weaken and even that redundancy could ultimately fail. Also, Wrex and Grunt have a few lines in the Citadel DLC that indicate that "aging" and weakening with age is not an unknown concept among the Krogan. Just because Okeer is indicated as being 2,000 years old, does not mean that all Krogan can live for "thousands and thousands of years." or that they are "biologically immortal."... and BTW, the definition of "immortal" is literally "not mortal; not liable or subject to death; undying" (Dictionary.com) or "not capable of dying : living forever" (Merriam-Webster).
The females in question were also undernourished, and frequently subject to the violent actions of the tribes; they aren't necessarily the best control group. So the Krogan can age and succumb to the toils of time, but they still out pace every other species in the galaxy combined, save for the Asari, in terms of longevity.
Also being biologically immortal means that the cells in the organism don't break down or reach the Hayflick Limit (if using human cells as an example), not that said organism is completely immune to death. The Krogan, with their myriad of redundant organs and regenerative capabilities can be killed via injury or disease, but their projected lifespan is orders of magnitude higher than most other complex organisms in the Milky Way. They aren't completely biologically immortal, but its close enough when compared to other shorter lived species like humans or turians.
okay,I got it.
Krogans and Asari can live for a thousand or even thousands of years
Humans,Turians and Quarians can live for at least 100 years but not much longer after 150.
Drells and Batarians can live for at least 80 years.
Salarians 40 and Vorcha 20.
But what about Hanars? Volus? Elcor?
But what about Hanars? Volus? Elcor?
Never stated, if I'm not mistaking. Salarians have "relatively short" lifespan, so one can assume that there is some average lifespan (not counting asari and krogans) around 80-100 years and they belong there, since they were never mentioned to live less-more than others.
I believe they have said that unless stated otherwise, the alien races have lifespans comperable to humans.
So krogan and asari have really long, 1,000 year+ lifespans
Salarians and vorcha have much shorter lifespans
Everyone else is more or less the same.
This is what doesn't make sense about the Krogan. Sure, the intent might have been to make them bipedal snapping turtles, BUT.
The reason some turtles live forever is that they don't expend much energy normally. For Krogan, who most definitely expend a LOT of energy, I don't see it making sense to live for a couple thousand years.
Combine this with the way their breeding evolved. A thousand eggs in a clutch. Several clutches per year. This is the survival strategy of something that lives very very short lives and doesn't have the potential to live long lives. Sure, turtles lay a lot of eggs, but the survival rate to maturity is one in a thousand and the turtles don't nest every year.
Krogan, on the other hand, are described (mostly by implication) as being oviviparous. Those 'thousand eggs in a clutch' conflict with 'the piles of babies who never had a chance to live' description. The best way to reconcile this is to say they have eggs which are fertilized inside the female and grow to 'maturity' there before being born. Which, given the sheer numbers involved, imply that baby krogan are *tiny*, we're talking can fit in the palm of your hand tiny. And that just doesn't make sense for a sapient race due to the size of the skull needed to support thought.
This is what doesn't make sense about the Krogan. Sure, the intent might have been to make them bipedal snapping turtles, BUT.
The reason some turtles live forever is that they don't expend much energy normally. For Krogan, who most definitely expend a LOT of energy, I don't see it making sense to live for a couple thousand years.
Combine this with the way their breeding evolved. A thousand eggs in a clutch. Several clutches per year. This is the survival strategy of something that lives very very short lives and doesn't have the potential to live long lives. Sure, turtles lay a lot of eggs, but the survival rate to maturity is one in a thousand and the turtles don't nest every year.
Krogan, on the other hand, are described (mostly by implication) as being oviviparous. Those 'thousand eggs in a clutch' conflict with 'the piles of babies who never had a chance to live' description. The best way to reconcile this is to say they have eggs which are fertilized inside the female and grow to 'maturity' there before being born. Which, given the sheer numbers involved, imply that baby krogan are *tiny*, we're talking can fit in the palm of your hand tiny. And that just doesn't make sense for a sapient race due to the size of the skull needed to support thought.
Biologically speaking, the Krogan don't make any sense.
If there needs to be any retconning for ME:Andromeda it's them.
Biologically speaking, the Krogan don't make any sense.
If there needs to be any retconning for ME:Andromeda it's them.
For me,the Asari are the ones that don't make sense.
How can a race have the same genome than all other different races,or at least a DNA similar enough to allow sexual reproduction?
The only real life creatures that comes a bit close to this sort of thing are some kinds of plants,and it's needless to say that an organism of a plant is totally different than an evolved form of life,specially a mammal.
Ah, but the Asari *don't* have DNA that is similar enough to all races.
What they have is a mechanism that can 'translate' other species DNA as a way to randomize their own. There will never be a half-human half asari, or half hanar, or half krogan or half anything thats not asari. Mentions of being half-anything in the game are figures of speech, not literal descriptions.
All asari are only asari and all asari have only asari genes.
As the kiosk attendant on Ilium said, "Charr didn't realize that our babies would be asari. Aliens don't always get that."
For me,the Asari are the ones that don't make sense.
How can a race have the same genome than all other different races,or at least a DNA similar enough to allow sexual reproduction?
The only real life creatures that comes a bit close to this sort of thing are some kinds of plants,and it's needless to say that an organism of a plant is totally different than an evolved form of life,specially a mammal.
They don't. They reproduce via parthenogenesis. They simply use other species DNA as a way to randomize their own genome.
How do they do that, though? That part doesn't make sense.
This is what doesn't make sense about the Krogan. Sure, the intent might have been to make them bipedal snapping turtles, BUT.
The reason some turtles live forever is that they don't expend much energy normally. For Krogan, who most definitely expend a LOT of energy, I don't see it making sense to live for a couple thousand years.
Combine this with the way their breeding evolved. A thousand eggs in a clutch. Several clutches per year. This is the survival strategy of something that lives very very short lives and doesn't have the potential to live long lives. Sure, turtles lay a lot of eggs, but the survival rate to maturity is one in a thousand and the turtles don't nest every year.
Krogan, on the other hand, are described (mostly by implication) as being oviviparous. Those 'thousand eggs in a clutch' conflict with 'the piles of babies who never had a chance to live' description. The best way to reconcile this is to say they have eggs which are fertilized inside the female and grow to 'maturity' there before being born. Which, given the sheer numbers involved, imply that baby krogan are *tiny*, we're talking can fit in the palm of your hand tiny. And that just doesn't make sense for a sapient race due to the size of the skull needed to support thought.
Well to be fair, one in a thousand was the survival rate or krogan young in their pre-industrial era.
I got the impression that Tuchanka was something of a Death World even before the krogan nuked it.
But yes, the krogan don't make a lot of sense. Redundant organs really just means more things to go wrong in a body. If the asari are space elves, krogan are space orcs.
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