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[drummerchick]

My femSheps are jealous that my broShep got a kiss from Gianna Parasini and they didn't.  

[DuskWanderer]

My femSheps are jealous that my broShep got a kiss from Gianna Parasini and they didn't.  

 

Heaven forbid a woman should be straight. 

 

Anyway, I can't see a difference that would be caused by male and female, especially in a game with combat classes. Similar to Battleborn, the classes do different things already and that changes up what to do in gameplay. 

 

I could see it affecting some quests, but that would be more in line with, say, Deus Ex than with Mass Effect. 

[dreamgazer]

What, you mean like the female sticking her ass out and blowing a kiss after a killer headshot? 

[Cunning Villain]

What, you mean like the female sticking her ass out and blowing a kiss after a killer headshot? 

 

Sounds good to me.

[Suketchi]

Woooooooooooow...

 

 

...ignorant sexist? Troll? Both? You never can tell these days... 

[ui876will]

What, you mean like the female sticking her ass out and blowing a kiss after a killer headshot? 

While I find this idea extremely sexist,I would be okay with that.

For example,let's look at Miranda.She is beautiful,uses a Catsuit and is really hot,and that doesn't make her weak or really that appealing.It's just her way to be a killer.

so I guess maybe Bioware should at least give you an option to have a femme fatale Ryder instead of a brute soldier like Shepard.

 

 

P.S. I know that's not going to happen...

[Thermopylae]

I think gender becomes an issue in social interactions where gender is embodied or becomes enacted. In an explorer interacting with non human sentient and non sentient, I suspect gender wouldn't really matter. Unless it becomes significant in a story line.

I guess if you are attempting to set up a colony population growth becomes significant thus you would have those issues, including gender ratios in a colony vessel, but that depends on technology as well. As its the future one could assume the use of clones for rapid population growth and technological/ training solutions for what people assume to be gender differences. 

 

I am sure people have thought about technological solutions for potential issues based on gender but again, it is just a story and the narrative focus does reflect certain ideological agendas or assumptions so if there is an ideological agenda towards equality and empowerment then that is ok as well. Not all empowerment fantasies involve shooting things with big guns, I guess.

[EpicNewb]

I like the idea of dialogue differing depending on your PC's chosen gender.

 

In ME2 for the Go Grab Garrus mission the Blue Suns recruiter has some lines exclusively for FemShep

[SKAR]

In the trilogy there were no changes if you chose BroShep or femShep. This gave my friends and I no incentive to play as the opposite gender Shep. We all defaulted to the Shep of our gender.

What unique advantages would you give BroShep and FemShep?

For example the Asari are an all female race, so they naturally trust FemShep more while BroShep would have to turn up his playboy charms.

eh.

[Dalinne]

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Panda]

This is just all around bad idea cause it would force you play as certain style or would force personality on your characters. It was already bad enough that some NPCs were sexist towards you during trilogy like Harkin and Blue Suns recruiter. Now if gender would make gameplay differences what would happen to my Vanguard fem!shep whose hobby is punching people in the face. It would be infuriating to have some classes locked from you and being forced into something "feminine".

[Draining Dragon]

This is just all around bad idea cause it would force you play as certain style or would force personality on your characters. It was already bad enough that some NPCs were sexist towards you during trilogy like Harkin and Blue Suns recruiter. Now if gender would make gameplay differences what would happen to my Vanguard fem!shep whose hobby is punching people in the face. It would be infuriating to have some classes locked from you and being forced into something "feminine".

...Why was it bad that some NPCs were sexist? It's not like the game presented such behavior in a positive light.

[Panda]

...Why was it bad that some NPCs were sexist? It's not like the game presented such behavior in a positive light.

 

I don't like my gender and having myself ridiculed when I play game. How is that supposed to make me feel as female?

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

Two incidences I would have loved to happen to maleShep and not my femShep:

 

 

 

 

 

 What is it with 4 eyed guys coming on to femShep?!

[Lady Artifice]

I like there being gender specific dialogue and flirt options, which is something Bioware already does. I don't want it start effecting combat.

[King Darious]

What is it with 4 eyed guys coming on to femShep?![/quote]
Maybe they are only attracted to women.

[DuskWanderer]

I don't like my gender and having myself ridiculed when I play game. How is that supposed to make me feel as female?

 

As harsh as this may sound, that's just life: Men get ridiculed all the time. Look at how often women being violent towards men is played for laughs.

[Draining Dragon]

I don't like my gender and having myself ridiculed when I play game. How is that supposed to make me feel as female?

You aren't being ridiculed when a fictional character is sexist towards your protagonist, anymore than you're being shot at when someone fires a gun at your protagonist. It's a game. It's not real. Lots of bad things happen in the Mass Effect universe: murder, genocide, slavery, and more. That doesn't mean the writer endorses any of those things.

[Seboist]

You aren't being ridiculed when a fictional character is sexist towards your protagonist, anymore than you're being shot at when someone fires a gun at your protagonist. It's a game. It's not real. Lots of bad things happen in the Mass Effect universe: murder, genocide, slavery, and more. That doesn't mean the writer endorses any of those things.

Even if a game writer did endorse those things, I'd still play a game if it was fun enough.

[Dalinne]

As harsh as this may sound, that's just life: Men get ridiculed all the time. Look at how often women being violent towards men is played for laughs.

 

But in which moment in the trilogy you have an specific moment where you as a PC male are ridiculed by someone? None. There is any moment in which a violent woman beating a man is played for laughs in the trilogy? I don't remember one.

 

There is nothing inherently wrong in having a specific dialogue for men or women per se. The problem is that specific gendered dialogue usually means female PC has to face sexism time to time. That's not very empowering, that is a average friday night for some women. On the other hand, you have a male PC who can kiss or flirt with some women and who will never have to prove his value because he is expected to be whatever people claims. Other gendered dialogue: when you have a relationship with someone in ME2, you discuss that with Ashley and Ashley apologizes. When you are female, YOU apologize to Kaidan for the same reason!

Hell, the only moment when being a female Shepard is better than male Shepard is bonding with Bakara, the female Krogan.

 

However, I must say that in general Mass Effect has a very positive and equal treatment for male and female to all trilogy, more than other games.

[Panda]

As harsh as this may sound, that's just life: Men get ridiculed all the time. Look at how often women being violent towards men is played for laughs.

 

You aren't being ridiculed when a fictional character is sexist towards your protagonist, anymore than you're being shot at when someone fires a gun at your protagonist. It's a game. It's not real. Lots of bad things happen in the Mass Effect universe: murder, genocide, slavery, and more. That doesn't mean the writer endorses any of those things.

 

When I play as female character that is last thing I want to see and experience. Also, in terms of male PC, I don't remember any point of them getting ridiculed, but I think there was soemeinstances that fem!shep didn't have to go through like having your faces stroked by horny Asaris. So I'd very much prefer not to see that happen as well. Awkward af especially when your LI is standing right next to you.

[Dalinne]

You aren't being ridiculed when a fictional character is sexist towards your protagonist, anymore than you're being shot at when someone fires a gun at your protagonist. It's a game. It's not real. Lots of bad things happen in the Mass Effect universe: murder, genocide, slavery, and more. That doesn't mean the writer endorses any of those things.

 

The problem is not that. Men are perceived as the incarnation of humanity first, and then as men. Women usually are perceived first as women, then as a human (and I'm referring to real life, not in videogame mechanics). When I'm playing a game as a female PC, I'm playing as a person. But in the moment when a NPC "tries to put me in my place as a woman", even when my character puts him in theirs, the remanent feeling is bitter, because I realized that even in a game I'm not perceived as first as a person.

 

For example, it felt really great being in Tuchanka in ME2. How different that could have been if the FemShep would have to prove to every single Krogan that she is great simply because she is a woman? It would have felt awful. It's great that Grunt acknowledges that you are a female human when he wakes up (because he is identifing you), but it is even greater that he admires you a lot regardless of the gender of your Shepard.

 

How would you feel if the Asari culture were a little misandrist or prejudiced against men? If every single encounter you have with the asari as MaleShep you heard things like: "Wow, you are pretty intelligent for a man" or "Look this sweet piece of cake" etc.  At first maybe it would be fun for you, but quickly enough the thing gets old and you don't need people tells you over and over you are a man (especially when it's not used in a positive way).

 

That's why a prefer an equally treatment for male and female PC.

[Cyonan]

The problem is not that. Men are perceived as the incarnation of humanity first, and then as men. Women usually are perceived first as women, then as a human (and I'm referring to real life, not in videogame mechanics). When I'm playing a game as a female PC, I'm playing as a person. But in the moment when a NPC "tries to put me in my place as a woman", even when my character puts him in theirs, the remanent feeling is bitter, because I realized that even in a game I'm not perceived as first as a person.

 

For example, it felt really great being in Tuchanka in ME2. How different that could have been if the FemShep would have to prove to every single Krogan that she is great simply because she is a woman? It would have felt awful. It's great that Grunt acknowledges that you are a female human when he wakes up (because he is identifing you), but it is even greater that he admires you a lot regardless of the gender of your Shepard.

 

How would you feel if the Asari culture were a little misandrist or prejudiced against men? If every single encounter you have with the asari as MaleShep you heard things like: "Wow, you are pretty intelligent for a man" or "Look this sweet piece of cake" etc.  At first maybe it would be fun for you, but quickly enough the thing gets old and you don't need people tells you over and over you are a man (especially when it's not used in a positive way).

 

That's why a prefer an equally treatment for male and female PC.

 

I don't know what kind of games you're playing, but I don't know of any game that treats their female PC like this to the point where it's anywhere remotely close to "every single encounter".

[EpicNewb]

It's unfair to women and men if each gender's unique advantages aren't incorporated into the game.

 

Take the Vanguard and Adept heavy melees.  They're throwing right crosses.  Women of exceptional and average capabilities don't punch as hard as their male counterparts.  Give the male biotics greater force behind their heavy melee.

 

Playing a female can come with its own strengths.  The woman I talk to all accept that there are certain things they do better than men.

[Dalinne]

I don't know what kind of games you're playing, but I don't know of any game that treats their female PC like this to the point where it's anywhere remotely close to "every single encounter".

You are right. Most of the time they don't give us the option of playing as a woman!