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[Jedi Comedian]

Firearms is an EFFICIENT way of fighting - "And all the rest is by the way.... " © Dire Straits

Of course, when I say dishonorable and inferior I mean it is an unfair (with a gun you can take out ANYONE whereas a sword duel is a fight between pretty much EQUALS) and usable by any idiot with next to no experience, on the contrary ancient combat took years to master. Heck, OF COURSE IT'S EFFICIENT, it is a way of killing not a way of fighting, you just aim and shoot. I find it pretty boring, but I understand why most people like the powerful, easy stuff.

Well, that and I would also love to go all Magneto-like with my biotic powers in an encounter with gunmen and say "You H. Sapiens and your guns..."

[General TSAR]

Didn't need it in Bioshock, so why do I really need it in the ME-verse.

This "logic" fails because they are vastly different games with vastly different lore.

 

 

It's not like it would be lore breaking (heh) or anything. Did Jack, Miranda and Samara REALLY need to use guns? No. Not really.

Uh yeah? They're not stupid and carry firearms as backups.

 

Even the Asari use guns despite their innate biotic potential.

 

Of course, when I say dishonorable and inferior I mean it is an unfair (with a gun you can take out ANYONE whereas a sword duel is a fight between pretty much EQUALS) and usable by any idiot with next to no experience, on the contrary ancient combat took years to master. Heck, OF COURSE IT'S EFFICIENT, it is a way of killing not a way of fighting, you just aim and shoot. I find it pretty boring, but I understand why most people like the powerful, easy stuff.

Well, that and I would also love to go all Magneto-like with my biotic powers in an encounter with gunmen and say "You ****** Sapiens and your guns..."

This sounds like a lot of romanticized nonsense. 

[9TailsFox]

This "logic" fails because they are vastly different games with vastly different lore.

 

 

Uh yeah? They're not stupid and carry firearms as backups.

 

Even the Asari use guns despite their innate biotic potential.

Vanguard don't need bullets vanguard are bullets.

[Seraphim24]

Objectively speaking Biotics is overpowered in every ME game.

[Hammerstorm]

Of course, when I say dishonorable and inferior I mean it is an unfair (with a gun you can take out ANYONE whereas a sword duel is a fight between pretty much EQUALS) and usable by any idiot with next to no experience, on the contrary ancient combat took years to master. Heck, OF COURSE IT'S EFFICIENT, it is a way of killing not a way of fighting, you just aim and shoot. I find it pretty boring, but I understand why most people like the powerful, easy stuff.

Well, that and I would also love to go all Magneto-like with my biotic powers in an encounter with gunmen and say "You H. Sapiens and your guns..."

 

1. If you thinks that it's unfair with a gun, then a biotic is more unfair. A biotic can take out multiple enemies simultaneously (and you can't disarm them easy). 2. for your comment about swords, a duel is not the same as combat. In combat you attack whoever you see as a easy target (for you don't want to waste energy).

 

BTW. to become good with a pistol (not point and shoot) you must at least dedicate a couple of thousand hours. but with a knife you need only max 100 hour. (I am not talking about master level)

[yolobastien6412]

Exactly this option is present already in the ME3 MP - you merely don't take any weapon along :-))

I'm not good enough to have ever tried that XD

[Jedi Comedian]

This "logic" fails because they are vastly different games with vastly different lore.


Uh yeah? They're not stupid and carry firearms as backups.

Even the Asari use guns despite their innate biotic potential.

This sounds like a lot of romanticized nonsense.

Saying guns are about aiming and shooting dead is romantic??????? Only said they are unfair compared to other styles in which opponents have more balanced possibilities.

Remember it's a videogame, it's nothing but a romanticized version of reality with the sole purpose of entertaning us.

[Jedi Comedian]

1. If you thinks that it's unfair with a gun, then a biotic is more unfair. A biotic can take out multiple enemies simultaneously (and you can't disarm them easy). 2. for your comment about swords, a duel is not the same as combat. In combat you attack whoever you see as a easy target (for you don't want to waste energy).

BTW. to become good with a pistol (not point and shoot) you must at least dedicate a couple of thousand hours. but with a knife you need only max 100 hour. (I am not talking about master level)

I didn't count biotics 'cause they have lots of disadvantages lore-wise (remember Kaidan's story of Bio Camp) and powers also need to recharge. Guns are faster and more realiable than Biotics.

[General TSAR]

Saying guns are about aiming and shooting dead is romantic???????

No the whole "unfair" and "dishonorable" nonsense is.

 

Also what do you suppose warfare or combat is? Some kind of honorable duel with bowing, balance, and other contrived nonsense?

 

It's mostly a slog where the opponents try all manner of "unfair" tactics in order to exploit the other side's weakness and crush them. It's been true since ancient times with spears and tribal face paint and its true today with stealth fighters and EMP based weapons.

[Jedi Comedian]

No the whole "unfair" and "dishonorable" nonsense is.

Also what do you suppose warfare or combat is? Some kind of honorable duel with bowing, balance, and other contrived nonsense?

It's a slog where the opponents try all manner of "unfair" tactics in order to exploit the others weakness and crush them. It's been true since ancient times with spears and tribal face paint and its true today with stealth fighters and EMP based weapons.

Of course ancient combat is outdated, I wasn't talking about blade vs gun, but of gun vs gun, which is more about shooting first than combat mastery.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Could be interesting. But it's not going to be in a game in which you can run out of ammo.

ME3 wasn't a game in which you could realistically run out of ammo.

And they really should scrap the whole ammo mechanic amd go back to the ME1 design. Where is all this ammo coming from in the new galaxy, anyway?

The hoops they'd need to jump through to explain where all this Andromedan ammo is coming from and why it fits in allnour guns would be absurd.

[General TSAR]

Of course ancient combat is outdated, I wasn't talking about blade vs gun, but of gun vs gun, which is more about shooting first than combat mastery.

And shooting well while under stress is not combat mastery?

[Element Zero]

Saying guns are about aiming and shooting dead is romantic??????? Only said they are unfair compared to other styles in which opponents have more balanced possibilities.

The original thought sounded like "romanticized nonsense" (not my words). I had the exact same thought way back on page one, but didn't want to start a needless debate with you.

We're talking about killing people. You called guns inefficient and dishonorable. There is typically little honorable in piling up the type of body counts we account for in these games. As to efficiency, guns are extremely efficient. Your post just didn't make sense, logically.

I completely understand what you're wanting to say. I'm not downing you. It's very Obi Wan Kenobi in its romanticism. He didn't like blasters. As a Jedi, he had both a skewed perspective and other options in battle. That didn't mean that blasters weren't the most efficient weapons in his galaxy, though.

[Jedi Comedian]

And shooting well while under stress is not combat mastery?

But that's more psychological than the weapon itself.

[Hammerstorm]

I didn't count biotics 'cause they have lots of disadvantages lore-wise (remember Kaidan's story of Bio Camp) and powers also need to recharge. Guns are faster and more realiable than Biotics.

 

A gun has A lot of disadvantages also. they can malfunction, run out of ammo(sort of) and can be removed from your person. A biotic that is trained (almost everybody is) does now how to use their power without tiring too much (just as a soldier that is trained)

 

and with the new amps that most biotic will use will minimise the drawback of their powers.

[Jedi Comedian]

The original thought sounded like "romanticized nonsense" (not my words). I had the exact same thought way back on page one, but didn't want to start a needless debate with you.

We're talking about killing people. You called guns inefficient and dishonorable. There is typically little honorable in piling up the type of body counts we account for in these games. As to efficiency, guns are extremely efficient. Your post just didn't make sense, logically.

I completely understand what you're wanting to say. I'm not downing you. It's very Obi Wan Kenobi in its romanticism. He didn't like blasters. As a Jedi, he had both a skewed perspective and other options in battle. That didn't mean that blasters weren't the most efficientweapons in his galaxy, though.

I didn't meant inneficient when I said "inferior", in this context inferior means it is a type of weapon that can be used by literally anyone, while ancient combat or melee combat for that matter takes years of training to be really efficient. I know I probably haven't used the right word.

But yeah, I want my Adept to feel less of a "supepowered gunslinger" and more of a low-level Dr Manhattan.

[General TSAR]

But that's more psychological than the weapon itself.

And you don't think swinging a sword around isn't?

 

I didn't meant inneficient when I said "inferior", in this context inferior means it is a type of weapon that can be used by literally anyone, while ancient combat or melee combat for that matter takes years of training to be really efficient.

Inferior because it's far easier to utilize the weapon? Your definition of inferior leaves much to be desired. Hence romantic nonsense comment.

[Serza]

Objectively speaking Biotics is overpowered in every ME game.

 

Which is why, by the time I successfully removed the shielding off anyone with guns, I just couldn't be bothered to use biotics to finish off the 1/10th of their total hitpoints, right...

[Jedi Comedian]

And you don't think swinging a sword around isn't?

Hmm, got me there lol.

[Laughing_Man]

Objectively speaking Biotics is overpowered in every ME game.

 

That's objectively false.

 

The most overpowered classes in MP are not biotic ones, and in SP guns with modded ammo are the most efficient way to kill enemies.

[The Dystopian Hound]

You're basically talking about the adept.

[CuriousArtemis]

What do you say about a class who does not use any firearms, And will use ONLY biotics? Sounds like a g00d idea, Or to OP

 

To be honest that's pretty much how I play anyway. You'd be surprised how easy this is, even on insanity (though I do sometimes have to use my gun, usually after a charge, if both my teammates don't have any powers available).

[Element Zero]

To be honest that's pretty much how I play anyway. You'd be surprised how easy this is, even on insanity (though I do sometimes have to use my gun, usually after a charge, if both my teammates don't have any powers available).

Indeed. That's sort of the point of my choosing to play as a biotic. If I wanted to shoot, I'd play as an Infiltrator (my favorite of the shooters).

[Malanek]

I disagree. I usually put a few shots into my target after my first Warp lands. Once that detonates, though, the non-stop detonations begin. This isn't even considering the fact that I likely brought Liara, Javik or Kaidan (possibly even 2 of the 3), so I'm not even priming my own detonations all the time. There really isn't any need to fire a shot, as an Adept, if you do not wish to do so. (I'll add preemptively that I only ever play on Insanity difficulty, and that I'm addressing specifically Singleplayer gameplay.)

I think an unarmed protagonist would be silly; but I do enjoy that one can finally "win without firing a shot", per the Adept class description. That was a long time coming, and finally happened thanks to the ubiquitous biotic detonations.

There is a difference between need and being optimal which was always my problem with the original description of "well-specced". You have time when your powers are on cooldown and when your squadmates powers are on cooldown, and you are out of or saving grenades. If it is an enemy that will withstand a biotic explosion, or there are enemies outside the aoe, then it is optimal to fire your weapon.

 

I'm also not sure why you are ignoring multiplayer. It is part of the game and it emphasises efficiency to a greater degree than single player, which can actually encourage bad habits. Try doing a solo without shooting your weapon and compare the finishing time to when you use your weapon. It will be a staggering difference.

[rocklikeafool]

I know what you're thinking... but I just HATE firearms. It's a dishonorable, inferior way of fighting IMO.

 

 

Silly person. Complaining about guns in a SHOOTER.