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[A.NAVY-X14050-N7]

Hi folks just voicing something that has always bothered me a little, how come the Alliance Navy allowed Shepard's identity to become compromised? Not only is Shepard special forces but a N7 would be the equivalent of someone in a tier 1 unit such as our modern CAG and team 6.  

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Shepard took part in a very public mission at some point in his/her past.  Hero of Elysium was good publicity.  Survivor of Akuze was hard to hide given that 50 other marines were dead along with a colony team.  And Torfan is rather self explanatory given that many thought he/she should be charged as a war criminal.  Add on to that that N means the commander is special forces and 7 show their level of skill and the only way to get it is to go through all 7 training courses so at the time of these missions Shepard was likely not a 7 but a lower grade, more equivalent to Paratrooper or Ranger then Navy Seal.

[UpUpAway95]

Hi folks just voicing something that has always bothered me a little, how come the Alliance Navy allowed Shepard's identity to become compromised? Not only is Shepard special forces but a N7 would be the equivalent of someone in a tier 1 unit such as our modern CAG and team 6.  

 

Agree.  It's always bothered me as well.  It can perhaps be explained after he/she becomes a Spectre (since the Council doesn't necessarily have the same requirements for stealth as a human military org), but it still doesn't make sense that they would allow the IDs of their agents to become widely known throughout the galaxy.  They are, after all, purportedly "spectres" (ghosts) used as a "last line of defense before open war."

[UpUpAway95]

Shepard took part in a very public mission at some point in his/her past.  Hero of Elysium was good publicity.  Survivor of Akuze was hard to hide given that 50 other marines were dead along with a colony team.  And Torfan is rather self explanatory given that many thought he/she should be charged as a war criminal.  Add on to that that N means the commander is special forces and 7 show their level of skill and the only way to get it is to go through all 7 training courses so at the time of these missions Shepard was likely not a 7 but a lower grade, more equivalent to Paratrooper or Ranger then Navy Seal.

 

... ah, but Jacob indicates that the Alliance "used [Shepard] in recruitment ads" at some point after the Citadel attack... Of course, perhaps it was because they believed he/she was dead at the time, but I think revealing so much about Shepard to the general public still would risk exposing other operatives within the program... and still seems somewhat imprudent on the part of the Alliance to do that.

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... ah, but Jacob indicates that the Alliance "used [Shepard] in recruitment ads" at some point after the Citadel attack... Of course, perhaps it was because they believed he/she was dead at the time, but I think revealing so much about Shepard to the general public still would risk exposing other operatives within the program... and still seems somewhat imprudent on the part of the Alliance to do that.

Shepard was well know among the alliance general population prior to the star of ME because of the commander's prior service.  Likewise the promotion into the spectres is done in an open meeting of the council with plenty of people who are not government officials present so it's a little late to try and keep their id a secret.  Remember the interview with al-Jilani where she already has info regard you chasing Saren, which came up in the meeting, and you can tell her your mission is secret but she already knows your a spectre.  Playing up the commanders role as a Spectre and in saving the citadel from the geth attack is good pr as it shows that the alliance can hang with the big boys.

[aoibhealfae]

Could we use Captain America as an example? 

 

I canon-ed that FemShep was compromised by the mass media, kinda like how the internet explodes with Natalia Poklonskaya. 

[UpUpAway95]

Shepard was well know among the alliance general population prior to the star of ME because of the commander's prior service.  Likewise the promotion into the spectres is done in an open meeting of the council with plenty of people who are not government officials present so it's a little late to try and keep their id a secret.  Remember the interview with al-Jilani where she already has info regard you chasing Saren, which came up in the meeting, and you can tell her your mission is secret but she already knows your a spectre.  Playing up the commanders role as a Spectre and in saving the citadel from the geth attack is good pr as it shows that the alliance can hang with the big boys.

 

Agree.  There is no doubt that Shepard is well known and the spectre meeting is public... it's just not in keeping with what is allegedly supposed to be a covert operation/organization should be all about.  Bioware writes "on both sides of the fence" at the same time with this one.  Anderson says that the Alliance can't even find out how many spectres the Council has... yet Shepard's activities are all very public.  Likewise, the N7 program is supposed to be a black ops area of the Alliance... yet they select a member of that unit to use for general recruitment... doesn't really make good sense.

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Agree.  There is no doubt that Shepard is well known and the spectre meeting is public... it's just not in keeping with what is allegedly supposed to be a covert operation/organization should be all about.  Bioware writes "on both sides of the fence" at the same time with this one.  Anderson says that the Alliance can't even find out how many spectres the Council has... yet Shepard's activities are all very public.  Likewise, the N7 program is supposed to be a black ops area of the Alliance... yet they select a member of that unit to use for general recruitment... doesn't really make good sense.

I think Shepard is a unique case in that the cat is already out of the bag before they rise up the ranks of the covert ops division.  And since their is no going back they use the commander to try and get good pr and recruiting.  The US may not tell us the names of navy seals but if you see a navy recruitment add it will almost always have a commando unit being dropped by a rigid hull inflatable, and who else is that then navy seals, most will never reach that level but they still put it in there.  Most people don't want to join the navy to get stuck in the engine room lather grease all or machine parts or walking along a flight deck looking for some loose debris, they want the something more and that is what special operations is to a lot of people.  It's a way to set themselves as something more then most could ever do and that is why they are used for recruiting, because it inspires them to join and try to be elite.  So Shepard is public they may as well us them for their own gain.  That doesn't mean that they let all info slip out, but the Alliance is using Shepard to better help their agenda.

[UpUpAway95]

I think Shepard is a unique case in that the cat is already out of the bag before they rise up the ranks of the covert ops division.  And since their is no going back they use the commander to try and get good pr and recruiting.  The US may not tell us the names of navy seals but if you see a navy recruitment add it will almost always have a commando unit being dropped by a rigid hull inflatable, and who else is that then navy seals, most will never reach that level but they still put it in there.  Most people don't want to join the navy to get stuck in the engine room lather grease all or machine parts or walking along a flight deck looking for some loose debris, they want the something more and that is what special operations is to a lot of people.  It's a way to set themselves as something more then most could ever do and that is why they are used for recruiting, because it inspires them to join and try to be elite.  So Shepard is public they may as well us them for their own gain.  That doesn't mean that they let all info slip out, but the Alliance is using Shepard to better help their agenda.

 

If the "cat is out of the bag" such that he/she is a public figure, then it is unlikely that individual would be chosen to enter a black ops unit in the first place... unless the public is kept unaware that the public figure is involved in black ops (i.e. the public figure is the cover).  However, putting N7 on display on the armor defeats that idea.  Additionally, if the spectres are supposed to be such a covert group, then Anderson and Hackett would likely not have chosen the most publicly well-known human Alliance soldier as their nomination to be the first to join the spectres... They would have simply chosen an able, but less well-known candidate. 

 

I agree, people can head canon it a number of different ways and it's not a big deal really.  It doesn't spoil the story for me or anything like that.  It's just a curiosity is all.

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If the "cat is out of the bag" such that he/she is a public figure, then it is unlikely that individual would be chosen to enter a black ops unit in the first place... unless the public is kept unaware that the public figure is involved in black ops (i.e. the public figure is the cover).  However, putting N7 on display on the armor defeats that idea.  Additionally, if the spectres are supposed to be such a covert group, then Anderson and Hackett would likely not have chosen the most publicly well-known human Alliance soldier as their nomination to be the first to join the spectres... They would have simply chosen an able, but less well-known candidate. 

 

I agree, people can head canon it a number of different ways and it's not a big deal really.  It doesn't spoil the story for me or anything like that.  It's just a curiosity is all.

The role of the N7 does not need a clandestine id.  The commanders not spying, or trying to infiltrate a group so that having his face or voice plastered all over the galaxy would hinder his/her job.  Your not an informant or undercover agent.  The role of the N7 is to carry out high risk raids and strikes on enemies of the alliance.  In this it doesn't matter if the battarian pirate or asari merc knows it's Shepard behind the helmet, which would also cover their id, as they still end up dead as the N7's kill and secure the area and complete their objective.  If anything if the enemy were able to find out they were facing Shepard they may be more inclined to surrender or flee considering what their record is.  In real life do you know about former NFL player Pat Tillman who joined the army after 9/11 and became a army ranger, he was known to the public but allowed to serve in an elite special forces unit because it didn't matter who he was but what he could do.

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The role of the N7 does not need a clandestine id.  The commanders not spying, or trying to infiltrate a group so that having his face or voice plastered all over the galaxy would hinder his/her job.  Your not an informant or undercover agent.  The role of the N7 is to carry out high risk raids and strikes on enemies of the alliance.  In this it doesn't matter if the battarian pirate or asari merc knows it's Shepard behind the helmet, which would also cover their id, as they still end up dead as the N7's kill and secure the area and complete their objective.  If anything if the enemy were able to find out they were facing Shepard they may be more inclined to surrender or flee considering what their record is.  In real life do you know about former NFL player Pat Tillman who joined the army after 9/11 and became a army ranger, he was known to the public but allowed to serve in an elite special forces unit because it didn't matter who he was but what he could do.

 

OK, I thought i read somewhere that the N7 was also a covert style black ops thing, but I could be mistaken.  Still, the idea of "spectres" are "ghostlike" so it still doesn't really fit that Anderson and Hackett would recommend a publicly known face to the "spectres" if the Alliance was taking the whole "spectre" black ops, working outside/above the law, etc. thing very seriously - which, perhaps, that's the point - they weren't and were just looking for a human poster boy/girl all along.

[ui876will]

I always thought that the N7 program was like some kind of Spec Ops Elite program,like the real life Spetsnaz.

Spetsnaz are the elite of the Russian Army,acting more like Special Forces during high-risk missions than Agents during secret operations (since that used to be KGB's job).

Just like the Spetsnaz,I think that the N7 is not a secret part of the Alliance Millitary,just Elite Operatives,working to solve problems that regular troopers wouldn't solve.