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[Nimlowyn]

I don't think Cassandra is too old, and I'm happy she's a love interest. I'm tired of women over 29 being treated like we're irrelevant.

[Lucidae]

To the op: well people who romanced Solas have an even bigger age gap. So meh.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I'm old enough to know that age is just mind over matter - if you don't mind, it doesn't matter. Cas is cool if you like her romance style. Cullen is close to her age, he was born about 9:11 Dragon. Blackwall was recruited to the Wardens in 9:17 so, assume he was at least 20 then since before that he was a commander in the Orlesian Army.

 

Most of the romances are 30 plus, Jose, maybe 25 or so and Dorian perhaps the same but, most are 30 or older anyway except possibly Sera who might be close to 20.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Cass doesn't deserve a thousandth of the amount of hate that Solas ought to get. In thought, deed, action or hair style.

It's bad enough that haters think she looks too much like a man to be a viable LI, now she's too old? FFS, complain about something legit, like, why does she wear her armor to a picnic? Why isn't her scar on her right cheek instead of her left, and why is it at such a weird angle? Did she cut herself shaving? How come she can't hold her liquor--are Seeker's lightweights, or Nevarrans? Who needs six names? Why is she so feckless and lazy to only be 78th in line for the throne -- show some initiative!

With so much legit hate material to work with, it seems silly to pick on something so innocuous.

(And trust me, it's galling to have to write /sarcasm. But I know that if I don't, someone is going to take me seriously. Maybe even then.)

 

I don't hate Cassandra because she is old. I stated that her age might be a barrier for younger Inquisitors.

 

Not wanting to romance someone because they are 10+ years older than you is not hatred, its preference.

 

As for Solas, in Ancient Elvhenan, he was immortal (ageless after a certain point) and later was sustained by Uthenara. So he is not really old because of magic.

 

[AlanC9]

And what if it is a barrier to younger Inquisitors? If the combination of a young Inquisitor and a Cassandra romance bothers you, don't play that combination.

[Abyss108]

 

I don't hate Cassandra because she is old. I stated that her age might be a barrier for younger Inquisitors.

 

Not wanting to romance someone because they are 10+ years older than you is not hatred, its preference.

 

As for Solas, in Ancient Elvhenan, he was immortal (ageless after a certain point) and later was sustained by Uthenara. So he is not really old because of magic.

 

 

 

 

And having every option be 20 years old would be a barrier to those of us that are older. Better to have a range across the series, which Bioware has done.

 

Solas is supposed to look and be physically in his mid 40s. So anyone who starts the game and romances him certainly thinks they are romancing someone that age. I don't see anyone having any issues with that.

[Illegitimus]

What I said above. I find it hard to think a 30+ year old given to the Chantry as a warrior wouldn't know anything about Templars. They're just as ignorant as other characters. Which tells me they're fresh faced and young.

 

Chantry Bro/Sis works, but they wouldn't be Temps necessarily. That's what I ended up doing.

 

While the dialog wheel may give you the option of asking clueless questions about Templars, that doesn't mean you have to use those options.  If I go back and play a Dalish Elf in Origins that doesn't mean I'm going to ask "What's a halla" or "Who was Shartan".  I know the answers and so does my elf.  

[Bayonet Hipshot]

And having every option be 20 years old would be a barrier to those of us that are older. Better to have a range across the series, which Bioware has done.

 

Solas is supposed to look and be physically in his mid 40s. So anyone who starts the game and romances him certainly thinks they are romancing someone that age. I don't see anyone having any issues with that.

 

Cassandra is a straight male love interest and in general straight men prefer younger women. Usually, young men who date older women do so because they either into mature women or want to be with a mother-like or aunt-like figure.

 

http://www.huffingto..._n_5903804.html

 

http://time.com/3433...dating-mid-20s/

 

I don't think Cassandra is too old, and I'm happy she's a love interest. I'm tired of women over 29 being treated like we're irrelevant.

 

That's just reality. Its like men who are physically unattractive and/or financially broke are treated like they are irrelevant by women.

 

I'm old enough to know that age is just mind over matter - if you don't mind, it doesn't matter. Cas is cool if you like her romance style. Cullen is close to her age, he was born about 9:11 Dragon. Blackwall was recruited to the Wardens in 9:17 so, assume he was at least 20 then since before that he was a commander in the Orlesian Army.

 

Most of the romances are 30 plus, Jose, maybe 25 or so and Dorian perhaps the same but, most are 30 or older anyway except possibly Sera who might be close to 20.

 

Age is not just mind over matter, that's just absurd.

[Wulfram]

She's still totally hot, so who cares?

[IllustriousT]

Cassandra is a straight male love interest and in general straight men prefer younger women. Usually, young men who date older women do so because they either into mature women or want to be with a mother-like or aunt-like figure.

 

http://www.huffingto..._n_5903804.html

 

http://time.com/3433...dating-mid-20s/

 

 

That's just reality. Its like men who are physically unattractive and/or financially broke are treated like they are irrelevant by women.

 

 

Age is not just mind over matter, that's just absurd.

 

 

Not all men are going to create 20 year old inquisitors though. 

[Monica21]

Cassandra is a straight male love interest and in general straight men prefer younger women. Usually, young men who date older women do so because they either into mature women or want to be with a mother-like or aunt-like figure.

http://www.huffingto..._n_5903804.html

http://time.com/3433...dating-mid-20s/


That's just reality. Its like men who are physically unattractive and/or financially broke are treated like they are irrelevant by women.


Age is not just mind over matter, that's just absurd.

The part that I'm still not understanding is that you don't have to date her. Nothing in the game requires that you romance her. So don't.

[BansheeOwnage]

For humans, the game was more openended before. Then the merc/smuggler stuff was given to other races. Those are still open ended as far as age goes. These newer human backstories make it difficult imo. I can't do it with a warrior or someone trained to be a Templar...since they don't know anything about being Templars. Which tells me that they're young.

 

I also think it was stupid just because stats show the average gamer ages are around 31. Both men and women. All the origins should reflect this better. Instead they thought most players wanted to be the "youngest" noble child... like some teenager, who hasn't had any professional life.

Well, Hawke was the oldest sibling, so maybe they just did it to mix things up. But yes, the Trevelyan has to be pretty young, no matter what the devs tell you. I can't see them still being expected to go into Chantry service, and not already be in it, if they're older than their early twenties, at best. And they are the youngest sibling.

 

Still, not everyone thinks about it that much or cares when they make a character. I envision my canon Trevelyan to be in her late twenties, even if it doesn't make sense (though I made her before realizing it didn't make much sense).

 

 

But agreed. The 19 yr old fantasy hero needs to die already.

What's wrong with that? People are all different, are different ages, like different things, so a variety of ages (or vague age) seems fine to me. I'm 20, so it's relatable in some ways (and also not in others). Am I not allowed?

 

I'm old enough to know that age is just mind over matter - if you don't mind, it doesn't matter. Cas is cool if you like her romance style. Cullen is close to her age, he was born about 9:11 Dragon.

I wouldn't really qualify a 10-year age-gap as "close" (Cullen's about 30, Cass is about 40)

 

Anyway, as for the topic, I don't think it's a huge deal. I agree with the others who've said it's more about maturity than age. That said, it does seem slightly weird that my Cullenmancer is ~7 years younger than he is, but it's okay.

[Dai Grepher]

I think this and other romance related issues can be solved if BioWare simply instituted a customizable romance option with a few various storylines and backgrounds to pick from. Then you just assign a backstory to a custom character and there you go.

[veeia]

Cassandra is a straight male love interest and in general straight men prefer younger women. Usually, young men who date older women do so because they either into mature women or want to be with a mother-like or aunt-like figure.

 

http://www.huffingto..._n_5903804.html

 

http://time.com/3433...dating-mid-20s/

 

 

That's just reality. Its like men who are physically unattractive and/or financially broke are treated like they are irrelevant by women.

 

 

Age is not just mind over matter, that's just absurd.

 

 By this ..metric,  Solas, IB, and Blackwall are bad LI for a Femquisitor since they are either broke or unattractive (or both lmao). 

 

But really, she's not too old. If she doesn't fit your Inquisitor because you're not willing to romance an older woman and your Quizzie is younger, that's fine. You have two younger LI (Josie and Dorian) to choose from.  LI aren't supposed to fit every character/player, and they're definitely not supposed to be some ideal fantasy version of a perfect woman/man. They're just supposed to be compelling characters that offer optional content for those who want to pursue a relationship with them.  By that metric, I think Cass is a great LI.

 

I also like being able tot play an older character, so I've never bothered much about age gaps. However, I mostly play dwarves, whose background easily allows for them to have that "ignorance" that you find so offputting if the character is supposed to be older.  I don't mind those workarounds or headcanon things though, that's part of the fun of the game for me.

[Sah291]

Well, it's not really a dating sim or romance genre game, though, so I have to cut them some slack here, in not being able to offer every combination I might want. Bioware is more or less planning their cast of companions first and then deciding which ones to make romance options...not the other way around, I think. Cassandra was instrumental to the plot, as a bridge from DA2 and starting the Inquisition, together with Leliana. She was made an LI likely because fans expressed an interest, and because the writers had a romance sub plot they were interested in writing for her.

[Daerog]

Well, it's nice when people speak of "age is only a number," but it isn't for one that lives in a world where family and inheritance are very important. Where the livelihood of your family may depend on the heir having heirs. Thankfully, the human is not the heir or is a mage.

My canon Inq is a human mage who liked Cass, grew to see her as adorable with her personal humility, and just fell for her. Knowing her age, I prefer to think my mage is around 32. Her age may be higher, but she is healthier than most in Thedas and her ancesters tend to live for a long time (First King was in his 120s and could still duel... supposedly...). So, technically some years to a decade difference, but not really that different...

Disbanding Inquisition and helping Cass rebuild the Seekers. Good ending.

[nightscrawl]

I'm old enough to know that age is just mind over matter - if you don't mind, it doesn't matter.

Hah I like this!

Most of the romances are 30 plus, Jose, maybe 25 or so and Dorian perhaps the same but, most are 30 or older anyway except possibly Sera who might be close to 20.

 
Just FYI, Dorian is canonically 30. He was born in 9:11; the info was in his WoT Vol. 2 entry.

[Nimlowyn]

Cassandra is a straight male love interest and in general straight men prefer younger women. Usually, young men who date older women do so because they either into mature women or want to be with a mother-like or aunt-like figure.

 

http://www.huffingto..._n_5903804.html

 

http://time.com/3433...dating-mid-20s/

 

 

That's just reality. Its like men who are physically unattractive and/or financially broke are treated like they are irrelevant by women.

 

 

Age is not just mind over matter, that's just absurd.

 So you think it is objective reality that women over 29 are irrelevant? Really? Gosh, I'm gonna be 31 next month, might as well off myself, why bother!

 

These are stereotypes that you are referring to. Stereotypes are just that - stereotypes -- and they only tell part of the story, if they do at all. It's true that younger women tend to be more desirable due to reproductive fitness, but that is one level of human life, and people are more than the sum of their parts. Our culture has a lot to do with how we perceive women, and that means it can change. It already is. As for men, while I acknowledge this is anecdotal, my husband was broke when I met him. I married him anyway. 

 

Getting back to Dragon Age, Morrigan, Leliana, Merrill, Isabela and Josephine are all younger women that a straight male character who prefers younger women has had to chose from. With Inquisition, we have one woman in her 40s. She may be outside your own preference, and that's totally fine. But there is nothing wrong with her inclusion, no matter what general straight male audiences may or may not prefer on average for real life partners. I hope we see more love interests Cassandra's age -- and older -- in the future. 

 

[mireisen]

True loyalty and also modesty  . 

 

Cass is so sexy. She's the perfect woman. Strong, devoted, and too busy putting men in their place without the thought of bedding them first. Current playthrough is with a late-30's male Lavellan. He's got facial scars to match hers.

 

It's a lot easier for people to criticize the women, because of you know, that stuff. I don't get any hang ups about having a younger male around. At 20-25 it's weird, but when you're 30+ it's like whatevers. I'm in my 30s and a student that isn't even 20 prepositioned me at the end of the semester. Whatever gets people ticking, I say.

[AFA]

 

Getting back to Dragon Age, Morrigan, Leliana, Merrill, Isabela and Josephine are all younger women that a straight male character who prefers younger women has had to chose from. With Inquisition, we have one woman in her 40s. She may be outside your own preference, and that's totally fine. But there is nothing wrong with her inclusion, no matter what general straight male audiences may or may not prefer on average for real life partners. I hope we see more love interests Cassandra's age -- and older -- in the future. 

 

I think there would have been a lot less bitching abut Cass if Josephine had turned out better. She was an attempt to be Leliana 2.0 and failed. She is cute, and I like her as a character, but the whole Disney Princess thing didn't really work. Cass is freakin' sexy to me, but her scar, age, and general amazon nature certainly wouldn't appeal to that broad of a base IMO. Bioware failing to get a decent alternative, not only in looks, but in personality, was a mistep IMO. A darker character with a more physical than emotional romance would have been a good alternative. One that worked more with rebel mages, Dalish, etc

 

If my actions result in Cassandra getting drunk and hating me, it would be nice to be gaining approval with someone else. 

[Monica21]

I think there would have been a lot less bitching abut Cass if Josephine had turned out better. She was an attempt to be Leliana 2.0 and failed. She is cute, and I like her as a character, but the whole Disney Princess thing didn't really work. Cass is freakin' sexy to me, but her scar, age, and general amazon nature certainly wouldn't appeal to that broad of a base IMO. Bioware failing to get a decent alternative, not only in looks, but in personality, was a mistep IMO. A darker character with a more physical than emotional romance would have been a good alternative. One that worked more with rebel mages, Dalish, etc

If my actions result in Cassandra getting drunk and hating me, it would be nice to be gaining approval with someone else.

Please define "general amazon nature" for me. If you'd be so kind.

[AlanC9]

It's a lot easier for people to criticize the women, because of you know, that stuff. I don't get any hang ups about having a younger male around. At 20-25 it's weird, but when you're 30+ it's like whatevers. I'm in my 30s and a student that isn't even 20 prepositioned me at the end of the semester.

Did you go for it?

[AFA]

Please define "general amazon nature" for me. If you'd be so kind.

 

The musculature, her body type and size. The way she carries herself, the scar, the short hair. The prickly ball-busting personality (which is mostly a front). The whole Brienne of Tarth or Casca thing she has going on. Pre makeover Ashley Williams I guess. Certainly an amazon compared to Leli, Morrigan, Isabella, or Merril, though not to the Aveline extent

[mireisen]

Did you go for it?

 

I bumbled away just like Cass would do to dismiss him, and it didn't stop him from trying harder LOL

 

I'm terrible at flirting. My wit comes out once I'm actually in a relationship with that person. Not much of a help there!

[mireisen]

The musculature, her body type and size. The way she carries herself, the scar, the short hair. The prickly ball-busting personality (which is mostly a front). The whole Brienne of Tarth or Casca thing she has going on. Pre makeover Ashley Williams I guess. Certainly an amazon compared to Leli, Morrigan, Isabella, or Merril, though not to the Aveline extent

 

Never got the amazon vibe from any of these characters. Much less Casca or Cassandra. Maybe I'm too focused on their awesome femininity to dismiss the fact that they're in any way shape or form masculine. I thought her hair to be just a convenience because her shoulders are so lickable nice!