239 réponses à ce sujet

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I really hope I am wrong, but I am getting this distinct feeling that you may be one of those "men" who would marry a good woman, then divorce them 20 years down the line for a trophy wife.   Again, I hope I'm wrong in that assessment.

 

I have no interest in marriage or romantic relationship in real life. The costs and risks are astronomical whereas the benefits and rewards are negligible.

 

In fiction, its just sunshine and rainbows, soulmates and true love. In real life, you have divorce, alimony, child support, adultery, oopsie pregnancies, nagging, lower life expectancy, losing your freedoms, having less disposable income, having less free time and having to deal with more stress.

 

Besides, romantic relationships and marriage to a woman offers nothing of significant value to me. I don't want children, sex is easily obtainable these days, technology provides more than sufficient entertainment, I can cook on my own, I can do housekeeping by myself and friendships can be had without romance.

 

Most importantly, I value knowledge, having a decent disposable income, freedom and peace of mind. Get into a marriage or a romantic relationship with a woman and you won't get any of these things. Knowledge acquisition ? Nah, life is all about pleasing her and being her domestic slave. Decent disposable income ? Forget it. Freedom & peace of mind ? In your dreams.

 

So yes, you are wrong because in real life, the juice is not worth the squeeze for me.

 

Cheers.

[BansheeOwnage]

I don't think Cassandra is too old, and I'm happy she's a love interest. I'm tired of women over 29 being treated like we're irrelevant.

 

I think this and other romance related issues can be solved if BioWare simply instituted a customizable romance option with a few various storylines and backgrounds to pick from. Then you just assign a backstory to a custom character and there you go.

Ah yes, "simply". We have dismissed that claim.

 

I think there would have been a lot less bitching abut Cass if Josephine had turned out better. She was an attempt to be Leliana 2.0 and failed. She is cute, and I like her as a character, but the whole Disney Princess thing didn't really work. Cass is freakin' sexy to me, but her scar, age, and general amazon nature certainly wouldn't appeal to that broad of a base IMO. Bioware failing to get a decent alternative, not only in looks, but in personality, was a mistep IMO. A darker character with a more physical than emotional romance would have been a good alternative. One that worked more with rebel mages, Dalish, etc

Do people really get that worked up about scars? I think they're cool and generally put some on my characters when given the option (and they are all warriors in some manner or other, so it makes sense). It's said that women find scars attractive (no idea if that's true), and while I don't necessarily find them attractive per se, I do find them cool.

 

The musculature, her body type and size. The way she carries herself, the scar, the short hair. The prickly ball-busting personality (which is mostly a front).

I think it's worth noting that her musculature, body-type, and size are all identical to every other female human in the game. It is stupid, but there you go. She'd supposedly tall. Armour can make a body look different (see Blackwall) but in Cass' case I don't think it does.

 

I bumbled away just like Cass would do to dismiss him, and it didn't stop him from trying harder LOL

 

I'm terrible at flirting. My wit comes out once I'm actually in a relationship with that person. Not much of a help there!

Haha, that seems true for me too, but even then I'm not great at it My poor girlfriend

[veeia]

I have no interest in marriage or romantic relationship in real life. The costs and risks are astronomical whereas the benefits and rewards are negligible.

 

In fiction, its just sunshine and rainbows, soulmates and true love. In real life, you have divorce, alimony, child support, adultery, oopsie pregnancies, nagging, lower life expectancy, losing your freedoms, having less disposable income, having less free time and having to deal with more stress.

 

Besides, romantic relationships and marriage to a woman offers nothing of significant value to me. I don't want children, sex is easily obtainable these days, technology provides more than sufficient entertainment, I can cook on my own, I can do housekeeping by myself and friendships can be had without romance.

 

Most importantly, I value knowledge, having a decent disposable income, freedom and peace of mind. Get into a marriage or a romantic relationship with a woman and you won't get any of these things. Knowledge acquisition ? Nah, life is all about pleasing her and being her domestic slave. Decent disposable income ? Forget it. Freedom & peace of mind ? In your dreams.

 

So yes, you are wrong because in real life, the juice is not worth the squeeze for me.

 

Cheers.

Erm, okay. I'm not going to debate your philosophy about marriage or relationships because you're entitled to your views and I think we probably have too big of a gulf on how we think about gender for that to be productive lmao, but then...why do you care about having an "suitable"  LI in this game at all?

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Erm, okay. I'm not going to debate your philosophy about marriage or relationships because you're entitled to your views and I think we probably have too big of a gulf on how we think about gender for that to be productive lmao, but then...why do you care about having an "suitable"  LI in this game at all?

 

Because this is fiction, not reality ?

[veeia]

Because this is fiction, not reality ?

 

Okay...I'm just confused and trying to understand your perspective. If you see no worthwhile value in real life romantic relationships, what is the worthwhile value in utilizing that optional content for fictional romantic relationships to you? I suppose that's a side question though.

 

From what you've said in this thread, it sounds like the most viable options for you are no romance or Josie because you believe Cassandra is too old for you and presumably you're heterosexual. If you're open to a m/m relationship though, Dorian could be a good choice too. And your answer above further confuses me because it seems like Josie is an ideal romance choice for you. She's younger, open to basically all kinds of Inquisitors because her politics are not extreme, and has a romance that is sweet and simple without the negatives you listed as real life problems. I'm curious why you'd criticize Cass as a romance option when there's an option that could fit you? Am I missing something here?

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Okay...I'm just confused and trying to understand your perspective. If you see no worthwhile value in real life romantic relationships, what is the worthwhile value in utilizing that optional content for fictional romantic relationships to you? I suppose that's a side question though.

 

Because I do not self insert in a video game which means my character in game is not me ?

[dawnstone]

*snip*

That's a great typo

I was praying someone would make this joke.

[Monica21]

Because I do not self insert in a video game which means my character in game is not me ?

What's the value of complaining about entirely optional content? From what I've read, you believe that Cassandra is just too old to be romanced, not just because you don't want to romance her, but that no one should want to romance her. She is useless to you so she is useless to everyone and therefore you can't understand why she's an LI.

Is that about right?

[Bayonet Hipshot]

What's the value of complaining about entirely optional content? From what I've read, you believe that Cassandra is just too old to be romanced, not just because you don't want to romance her, but that no one should want to romance her. She is useless to you so she is useless to everyone and therefore you can't understand why she's an LI.

Is that about right?

 

She is useless as a love interest but she is a good follower.

[Monica21]

She is useless as a love interest but she is a good follower.

So, again, what's the point of complaining about entirely optional content?

[Paragonslustre]

I have no interest in marriage or romantic relationship in real life. The costs and risks are astronomical whereas the benefits and rewards are negligible.

 

In fiction, its just sunshine and rainbows, soulmates and true love. In real life, you have divorce, alimony, child support, adultery, oopsie pregnancies, nagging, lower life expectancy, losing your freedoms, having less disposable income, having less free time and having to deal with more stress.

 

Besides, romantic relationships and marriage to a woman offers nothing of significant value to me. I don't want children, sex is easily obtainable these days, technology provides more than sufficient entertainment, I can cook on my own, I can do housekeeping by myself and friendships can be had without romance.

 

Most importantly, I value knowledge, having a decent disposable income, freedom and peace of mind. Get into a marriage or a romantic relationship with a woman and you won't get any of these things. Knowledge acquisition ? Nah, life is all about pleasing her and being her domestic slave. Decent disposable income ? Forget it. Freedom & peace of mind ? In your dreams.

 

So yes, you are wrong because in real life, the juice is not worth the squeeze for me.

 

Cheers.

 

[veeia]

Because I do not self insert in a video game which means my character in game is not me ?

 

Okay, fair enough. You didn't answer my main question though, which is why you're focused on Cass as a "suitable" LI when you seem to have a character (potentially two if you include Dorian) who might fit your created characters.

 

I know that I personally don't like IB as a romance for my character, since I play as Cadash and the size difference is not appealing at all. But I don't think IB is a bad LI because of that.  I could choose to play as a different race (as you could, since it seems it's mostly background info that keeps you from having an older Trev) or I could accept it even though it's not ideal to me or I could romance someone else. It's my choices and preferences keeping me from finding him to be a great LI for my character, but he's great for other people and I have other choices.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

 

Pull myself from what, the reality that real life romance and marriage is a messy cesspool ?

 

& delude myself into thinking I can find "soulmates" (souls don't exist), "true love" (whatever that means) and "live happily ever after" (which only happens in fairy tales) ?

 

& then turn into a broke messy suicidal wreck after the woman pull the divorce trigger because "she's not feeling it anymore", takes half my assets, the house, the car and get slapped with alimony and child support for the "oopsie" she had ?

 

No thanks.

[Monica21]

Pull myself from what, the reality that real life romance and marriage is a messy cesspool ?
 
& delude myself into thinking I can find "soulmates" (souls don't exist), "true love" (whatever that means) and "live happily ever after" (which only happens in fairy tales) ?
 
& then turn into a broke messy suicidal wreck after the woman pull the divorce trigger because "she's not feeling it anymore", takes half my assets, the house, the car and get slapped with alimony and child support for the "oopsie" she had ?
 
No thanks.

So still no answer to why this should matter to anyone but you?

[veeia]

Are you planning on substantially answering anyone who is genuinely trying to engage with you, or would you rather just spout misogynistic platitudes?  Will you respond to the actual content that follows this, or will you just focus on this part? Questions, questions.

 

If your only question is "is Cassandra too old for some Inquisitors?" then yes, you've answered the question for yourself. If you have a younger Inquisitor who do you do not believe would be attracted to her because she's much older, then she is too old for them.

 

The thing is, I'm not sure why this particular insight warranted a post here, a post on reddit, and in the Cass thread.  That's a high level of engagement for a mundane observation. If I made a 40+ year old Inquisitor, then I might not want to do the Sera romance with her.  If she was a lesbian character, then that would leave her with the exact same option you have: romance Josie or no one. But I can't imagine going around asking everyone if Sera is too young to be a LI for some Inquisitors in a manner that suggested that it was a design flaw. 

 

What is your point? People have tried to suggest ways to make the Cass romance work or point out the availability of other LI, both of which you have ignored or dismissed, so I'm confused about what you want to discuss or suggest.

[Daerog]

Okay, I am skimming fast, but I didn't catch Bayonet saying that Cass should not have been a LI option, it was just an opinion being voiced.

If I was RPing as a noble with a noble upbringing and mindset, Josie is the better option for a possible marriage. Cass just has the benefit of love, a good name that is ignored by Cass, but no growth in family power. Josie is building up a mercantile powerbase and is on the rise financially and influentially. Also, it doesn't seem like Cass is ready for kids anytime soon with her possibly leading the Seekers, but Josie could.... maybe.... never did her romance path so I'm a bit ignorant on it. Family and heirs are important for noble houses.

If not a noble... well, whatever, then.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Are you planning on substantially answering anyone who is genuinely trying to engage with you, or would you rather just spout misogynistic platitudes?  Will you respond to the actual content that follows this, or will you just focus on this part? Questions, questions.

 

If having a sensible attitude is misogyny, then that's not my problem. Besides, I didn't know not wanting to have romantic relationship with women or not wanting to get married to women in real life is hatred of women.

 

What is your point? People have tried to suggest ways to make the Cass romance work or point out the availability of other LI, both of which you have ignored or dismissed, so I'm confused about what you want to discuss or suggest.

 

Josephine is the only other option for a heterosexual male Inquisitor and while she is nice, her romance does not have as much content as Cassandra. Why on earth would you make someone the age of an aunt the main romance option for straight male Inquisitors and give the younger more attractive option far less content is beyond me.

 

Its like this:- You have 2 glasses of milk. One is closer to expiry date and the other is fresher & better but there's a lot more of the milk that's closer to the expiry date compared to the fresher milk. Of course people are going to be asking questions and wondering if DAI is a stock clearance sale or something.

 

Truly, Josephine is objectively better than Cassandra in every way. She is younger, more beautiful, more ladylike, more diplomatic, more refined, more accepting,  more religiously tolerant and she comes from a better family. But somehow, she has less romance content than Cassandra and I simply don't understand that.
 

So still no answer to why this should matter to anyone but you?

 

I was responding to a Gif which was made as a response that I made to a question that someone else asked me.

 

I really hope I am wrong, but I am getting this distinct feeling that you may be one of those "men" who would marry a good woman, then divorce them 20 years down the line for a trophy wife.   Again, I hope I'm wrong in that assessment.

[AlanC9]

Because I do not self insert in a video game which means my character in game is not me ?

Then why does Cassandra's age matter? If you're not self-inserting, your Inquisitor can be whatever age you want.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Then why does Cassandra's age matter? If you're not self-inserting, your Inquisitor can be whatever age you want.

 

It does not make any sense to have people in their 30s or 40s in Thedas, especially if they are either Human Nobility, Dalish Hunters, Circle Mages, Dalish Firsts, Carta Dwarves and Qunari Mercenaries to be newbies starting from Level 1 and in some cases, particularly the Dalish, be an ignoramus about their own culture.

[Monica21]

Truly, Josephine is objectively better than Cassandra in every way. She is younger, more beautiful, more ladylike, more diplomatic, more refined, more accepting, more religiously tolerant and she comes from a better family. But somehow, she has less romance content than Cassandra and I simply don't understand that.

So, we'll just pretend you didn't use that awful and degrading "expired milk" analogy and talk about your real problem, okay? Your real problem isn't Cassandra, it's that Josephine's romance doesn't have enough content. That's a fair complaint, but it doesn't have anything to do with Cass. So don't make it about Cass.

[Sah291]

Because, according to ESA, as of 2015, the average gamer age is now ~35. I don't know the average Bioware fan age, but original fans from the DAO days are older now too. I think this has already been pointed out.

I remember before DAI came out, there were threads here requesting her for companion and LI. She was a popular character with a lot of interest.

Very possible the original human only protagonist was meant to be older too (especially if it was ever supposed to be Hawke, as some speculate).

Romance is actually very subjective. To me, Solas is the ideal romance option, male or female, since he is the most plot relevant. End of story.

[AlanC9]

It does not make any sense to have people in their 30s or 40s in Thedas, especially if they are either Human Nobility, Dalish Hunters, Circle Mages, Dalish Firsts, Carta Dwarves and Qunari Mercenaries to be newbies starting from Level 1 and in some cases, particularly the Dalish, be an ignoramus about their own culture.

This is a really stupid thing to be worrying about. Even if you make your PC young enough to make yourself feel better about his level, keeping just your PC young doesn't fix anything. NPCs are still going to start at low level. Including, obviously, Cassandra herself.

[Serza]

Uh, OP... 10 years difference relationships exist.

 

How else would I ever become a thing.

[Monica21]

Truly, Josephine is objectively better than Cassandra in every way. She is younger, more beautiful, more ladylike, more diplomatic, more refined, more accepting,  more religiously tolerant and she comes from a better family. But somehow, she has less romance content than Cassandra and I simply don't understand that.

Also, no, Josephine is not an "objectively better" romance than Cass. Many men prefer Cass to Josie, and to claim that your opinion is objective fact only serves to underscore the egoism with which you've approached this topic. Three topics in three places about how Cass is too old to be a romance option? Who are you to decide that?

[thesuperdarkone2]

Guess bayonet can't handle people having different opinions. Nice that everyone can see bayonet's true colors