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[Serza]

To quote Hawke: "Care to explain your particular brand of crazy?"

[veeia]

Yup, there's your real problem. You want Josephine to have more romance content. Maybe you resent that Cass has more than Josie, when you don't consider her romance to be as viable an option for you. All that is fair.

 

I agree with Monica21, there's no real reason to bring Cass into this, unless you want to contrast the amount of content she gets with Josie and hold it up against the devs original statement that the advisor romances would have the same amount of content.

 

and fwiw, I didn't say you hated women because you didn't want to date/marry one. I didn't even say you hated women. I said you were spouting misogynistic platitudes, which was referring to the way you talked about how you seem to think women behave in relationships or what the value of women in a relationship should be. I specified that it was the platitudes that were often used as misogynistic, not you yourself, because it's possible you're just cynical and think that women should view men in the same way lmao.  Anyway that was something I was willing to overlook in service of having a productive discussion, but became frustrated with once it seemed you weren't going to contribute.  Thanks for responding and clarifying your position.

[Sifr]

To quote Hawke: "Care to explain your particular brand of crazy?"

 

Heh, I love that quote so much and how much it applies to this forum at times, it's been nestled in my signature for a while now...

[Beren Von Ostwick]

Because I do not self insert in a video game which means my character in game is not me ?

 

But you are, in point of fact, inserting yourself into game by the very act of overlaying your own societal judgments about age differences in relationships onto your Inky.  Which, hey, that's fine if you want to do that, but then you really shouldn't say you're not inserting yourself into the game.

 

It does not make any sense to have people in their 30s or 40s in Thedas, especially if they are either Human Nobility, Dalish Hunters, Circle Mages, Dalish Firsts, Carta Dwarves and Qunari Mercenaries to be newbies starting from Level 1...

 

Man, that's game mechanics.  You have to give a little just to allow the  game to function properly.  Do you really think it would work to have your companions be 20 levels above you?

[KaiserShep]

Man, that's game mechanics.  You have to give a little just to allow the  game to function properly.  Do you really think it would work to have your companions be 20 levels above you?

 

 

The companions would be selfish bastards if they were. After all, when WE go out to the field and collect all that sweet XP, the jokers that stayed behind at the castle or are still waiting to be recruited are automatically leveling up with you. 

[Daerog]

Guess bayonet can't handle people having different opinions. Nice that everyone can see bayonet's true colors

Is this sarcasm? Seems like people can't handle Bayonet's opinion.

Bayonet is answering people's questions towards the opinions stated. Bayonet stated an opinion, people attack the opinion (like me), Bayonet defends opinion, typical stuff. I hope people are not needlessly getting upset over an opinion.

If one wishes to advance their house, Josie is better than Cass from a financial and political perspective. I never bothered with a Josie romance, as my canon Inq liked Cass more, but if one wants to live the Game, Josie is, objectively, the better option to align your house with (as a human noble). The Pentaghast name is prestigious, but it is a huge house and Cass has cut a lot of ties with it, while Josie can work in the world of nobles with ease.

Not everyone is for the Game, but some Inqs may want to play it, even if it is a Dalish or dwarf wanting to get in on it.

I love the Cass romance, but I can see human family members disapproving if this was some Jane Austin novel, trying to push the PC to the rising star (Josie) over the soldier from a stagnating, troubled house.

[Beren Von Ostwick]

...   objectively ...

 

*checks rules*  Ayep.

 

[Daerog]

*checks rules*  Ayep.
 

Is this a drinkquisition rule? Haven't followed that thread. If it is improper to use "objectively" the way I did, I would welcome the criticism.

Hope no one lost and passed out or however people do those drinking games.

[Monica21]

Is this sarcasm? Seems like people can't handle Bayonet's opinion.

Bayonet is answering people's questions towards the opinions stated. Bayonet stated an opinion, people attack the opinion (like me), Bayonet defends opinion, typical stuff. I hope people are not needlessly getting upset over an opinion.

Actually, I asked him three times why he cared about optional content before his answer. And it turned out to be about Josie having less content than Cass, which is fine.

If one wishes to advance their house, Josie is better than Cass from a financial and political perspective.

I'm on my phone so I'm having trouble quoting him, but while I can agree with this, I can't agree with Bayonet. His response is basically that Josie is prettier, younger, and more pliable. And that is not an objective reason for preferring one romance to the other.

[Sifr]

I'm on my phone so I'm having trouble quoting him, but while I can agree with this, I can't agree with Bayonet. His response is basically that Josie is prettier, younger, and more pliable. And that is not an objective reason for preferring one romance to the other.

 

People think that Josie is more pliable?

 

Josephine is a badass you do not want to cross!

 

One war table mission has her manage to reduce a man to tearful sobbing in under 20 minutes, as well as give up all the names of those involved in a conspiracy against the Inquisitor, by simply engaging him in polite conversation. Leliana was right when she described Josephine as being more effective to sic on people than assassins, because she "kills with kindness".

 

Her voice actress Allegra Clark also described the Inquisitor's terrified reaction to Josie interrupting the duel as;

 

"Oh gosh she is so tiny and angry what do I do!"

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Also, no, Josephine is not an "objectively better" romance than Cass. Many men prefer Cass to Josie, and to claim that your opinion is objective fact only serves to underscore the egoism with which you've approached this topic. Three topics in three places about how Cass is too old to be a romance option? Who are you to decide that?

 

Who am I to decide that ? How about a player with an opinion ?

 

Because, according to ESA, as of 2015, the average gamer age is now ~35. I don't know the average Bioware fan age, but original fans from the DAO days are older now too. I think this has already been pointed out.

I remember before DAI came out, there were threads here requesting her for companion and LI. She was a popular character with a lot of interest.

Very possible the original human only protagonist was meant to be older too (especially if it was ever supposed to be Hawke, as some speculate).

Romance is actually very subjective. To me, Solas is the ideal romance option, male or female, since he is the most plot relevant. End of story.

 

That is the average gamer age in the United States, not the world. Also, American gamers tend to be overweight and depressed. So does that mean we should have an obese and depressed woman as a love interest in the next game ? I doubt it.

 

http://www.nbcnews.c...d_science-games

 

So, we'll just pretend you didn't use that awful and degrading "expired milk" analogy and talk about your real problem, okay? Your real problem isn't Cassandra, it's that Josephine's romance doesn't have enough content. That's a fair complaint, but it doesn't have anything to do with Cass. So don't make it about Cass.

 

Awful and degrading ? Its an analogy meant to illustrate a reality and that reality is - People, in this case women, after a certain age are not attractive or viable for long term relationship due to their age.

 

At some point in time, your hair grows white and becomes thinner, you start getting wrinkles, parts of your body starts sagging, etc. Its called aging, a reality that you can't prevent unless you have access to magic or you are an Elf.

 

Cassandra is simply closer to that point compared to Josephine. Logically, this makes Josephine a better option than Cassandra because she is a lot further from that point. This is just fact and if you are getting triggered over it then its not my problem.

 

As for the female love interests, Solas is an Elf with access to life prolonging magics such as Uthenara so he doesn't really count. Cullen is born on 9:11 Dragon so he is 8 to 7 years younger than Cassandra is, which would make him 30 or 31 years old which is not too bad. Iron Bull and Blackwall's age is unknown.

 

Actually, I asked him three times why he cared about optional content before his answer. And it turned out to be about Josie having less content than Cass, which is fine.

I'm on my phone so I'm having trouble quoting him, but while I can agree with this, I can't agree with Bayonet. His response is basically that Josie is prettier, younger, and more pliable. And that is not an objective reason for preferring one romance to the other.

 

Don't you just love it when others put word in your mouths ? Since when I said Josephine is more pliable ?

 

Here's what I said:-

 

Truly, Josephine is objectively better than Cassandra in every way. She is younger, more beautiful, more ladylike, more diplomatic, more refined, more accepting,  more religiously tolerant and she comes from a better family. But somehow, she has less romance content than Cassandra and I simply don't understand that.

 

Pliable is defined as easily bent or shaped or easily influenced, persuaded, or swayed; tractable. Where did I say this ?

 

*snip*

 

and fwiw, I didn't say you hated women because you didn't want to date/marry one. I didn't even say you hated women. I said you were spouting misogynistic platitudes, which was referring to the way you talked about how you seem to think women behave in relationships or what the value of women in a relationship should be. I specified that it was the platitudes that were often used as misogynistic, not you yourself, because it's possible you're just cynical and think that women should view men in the same way lmao.  Anyway that was something I was willing to overlook in service of having a productive discussion, but became frustrated with once it seemed you weren't going to contribute.  Thanks for responding and clarifying your position.

 

The divorce rate in the West is roughly 50% with women initiating 70% of those said divorces with the primary reasons being things like laziness and irreconcilable differences. Across the globe, divorce is increasing and the majority of divorce initiators are women (not for reasons of abuse or infidelity).

 

http://divorcesuppor...-Of-Divorce.htm

 

 

Additionally, in most of those divorce cases, women get half the man assets and men are saddled with alimony and child support.

 

As for marriage and relationships in general, well here's 19 reason why the suck in real life, particularly for men. It also comes with all the necessary sources in the description. Enjoy:-

 

 

In fact, you sound a lot like this guy:-

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtvfHnZMcOY

 

Marriage and romance is a completely good thing  guys, You work a lot more (means you get stressed more), you have less friends, you become more religious (yeah, believing in primitive superstitious nonsensical bulls*it is a good thing), etc.

 

I am simply stating facts when it comes to romantic relationships and marriage with women in real life. Furthermore, I can at least back up my claims for it.

 

You are the one with the platitude throwing here - Labeling a man who is willing to say something that is true about real life romance and marriage as a misogynist is neither very original nor very productive.

[Serza]

Yeah, you've no clue at all. Have fun being forever alone, I'll be sticking with my reasons to live.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Yeah, you've no clue at all. Have fun being forever alone, I'll be sticking with my reasons to live.

 

I didn't know having a lovable cat, some friends and family members is equal to being forever alone.

[Paragonslustre]

Who am I to decide that ? How about a player with an opinion ?

 

 

That is the average gamer age in the United States, not the world. Also, American gamers tend to be overweight and depressed. So does that mean we should have an obese and depressed woman as a love interest in the next game ? I doubt it.

 

http://www.nbcnews.c...d_science-games

 

 

Awful and degrading ? Its an analogy meant to illustrate a reality and that reality is - People, in this case women, after a certain age are not attractive or viable for long term relationship due to their age.

 

At some point in time, your hair grows white and becomes thinner, you start getting wrinkles, parts of your body starts sagging, etc. Its called aging, a reality that you can't prevent unless you have access to magic or you are an Elf.

 

Cassandra is simply closer to that point compared to Josephine. Logically, this makes Josephine a better option than Cassandra because she is a lot further from that point. This is just fact and if you are getting triggered over it then its not my problem.

 

As for the female love interests, Solas is an Elf with access to life prolonging magics such as Uthenara so he doesn't really count. Cullen is born on 9:11 Dragon so he is 8 to 7 years younger than Cassandra is, which would make him 30 or 31 years old which is not too bad. Iron Bull and Blackwall's age is unknown.

 

 

Don't you just love it when others put word in your mouths ? Since when I said Josephine is more pliable ?

 

Here's what I said:-

 

 

Pliable is defined as easily bent or shaped or easily influenced, persuaded, or swayed; tractable. Where did I say this ?

 

 

The divorce rate in the West is roughly 50% with women initiating 70% of those said divorces with the primary reasons being things like laziness and irreconcilable differences. Across the globe, divorce is increasing and the majority of divorce initiators are women (not for reasons of abuse or infidelity).

 

http://divorcesuppor...-Of-Divorce.htm

 

 

Additionally, in most of those divorce cases, women get half the man assets and men are saddled with alimony and child support.

 

As for marriage and relationships in general, well here's 19 reason why the suck in real life, particularly for men. It also comes with all the necessary sources in the description. Enjoy:-

 

 

In fact, you sound a lot like this guy:-

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtvfHnZMcOY

 

Marriage and romance is a completely good thing  guys, You work a lot more (means you get stressed more), you have less friends, you become more religious (yeah, believing in primitive superstitious nonsensical bulls*it is a good thing), etc.

 

I am simply stating facts when it comes to romantic relationships and marriage with women in real life. Furthermore, I can at least back up my claims for it.

 

You are the one with the platitude throwing here - Labeling a man who is willing to say something that is true about real life romance and marriage as a misogynist is neither very original nor very productive.

 

Man, you really need to stop using this place as your soapbox.  There's no hope of taking this thread seriously when you start spouting this shite.  Also, it's pretty shitty to be talking about your ex-wife in this way when she's not here to defend herself.  I get it, you had a bad experience. 

 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Man, you really need to stop using this place as your soapbox.  There's no hope of taking this thread seriously when you start spouting this shite.  Also, it's pretty shitty to be talking about your ex-wife in this way when she's not here to defend herself.  I get it, you had a bad experience. 

 

 

Ex-wife ? I don't have an ex-wife. Come now, you can do better than that.

 

Someone previously on this thread asked me if I am a womanizer trophy wife kind of guy in real life. I replied that I am not stating why. People like you started your usual shaming and labeling without giving any evidence to counter my statements and here we are.

 

Also what shite ? The shite that's backed up with research and evidence ? Or the shite that you are mindlessly spewing ? So far, you are the one posting lame Gifs.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Iron Bull and Blackwall's age is unknown.

 

Word Of Dev says that Blackwall is forty-five or so. Older than Cassandra, anyway.

[Donk]

Ex-wife ? I don't have an ex-wife. Come now, you can do better than that.

Someone previously on this thread asked me if I am a womanizer trophy wife kind of guy in real life. I replied that I am not stating why. People like you started your usual shaming and labeling without giving any evidence to counter my statements and here we are.

Also what shite ? The shite that's backed up with research and evidence ? Or the shite that you are mindlessly spewing ? So far, you are the one posting lame Gifs.

ROFL! Some pseudointellectual moron on YouTube doesn't count as "facts and evidence", sweetheart.

Let's face it. No woman wants you because you're a tool, so you say all of this nonsense and claim it's factual when really you're just chucking a tantrum because you can't get a woman. Grow up.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

ROFL! Some pseudointellectual moron on YouTube doesn't count as "facts and evidence", sweetheart.

Let's face it. No woman wants you because you're a tool, so you say all of this nonsense and claim it's factual when really you're just chucking a tantrum because you can't get a woman. Grow up.

 

Those "pseudointellectuals" provided references containing evidence and research done by actual intellectuals.

 

But by all means continue the shaming, as if it makes my points invalid and your valid.

[Paragonslustre]

Ex-wife ? I don't have an ex-wife. Come now, you can do better than that.

 

Someone previously on this thread asked me if I am a womanizer trophy wife kind of guy in real life. I replied that I am not stating why. People like you started your usual shaming and labeling without giving any evidence to counter my statements and here we are.

 

Also what shite ? The shite that's backed up with research and evidence ? Or the shite that you are mindlessly spewing ? So far, you are the one posting lame Gifs.

 

 

Pull myself from what, the reality that real life romance and marriage is a messy cesspool ?

 

& delude myself into thinking I can find "soulmates" (souls don't exist), "true love" (whatever that means) and "live happily ever after" (which only happens in fairy tales) ?

 

& then turn into a broke messy suicidal wreck after the woman pull the divorce trigger because "she's not feeling it anymore", takes half my assets, the house, the car and get slapped with alimony and child support for the "oopsie" she had ?

 

No thanks.

 

Sorry, my bad.  I thought you were talking from bitter experience here 'takes half my assets ... blah blah blah.'  I didn't realize you were just pulling it right out of your ass.  

[Donk]

Those "pseudointellectuals" provided references containing evidence and research done by actual intellectuals.

But by all means continue the shaming, as if it makes my points invalid and your valid.

And? It's still gibberish, no matter who did the research and whether they consider themselves "intellectuals". If they really were such "intellectual" people, one would think they wouldn't waste their brain cells on something that is subjective and personal

As for my point, you've provided enough "facts and evidence" across various topics on this forum that proves it correct so cheers for that.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Sorry, my bad.  I thought you were talking from bitter experience here 'takes half my assets ... blah blah blah.'  I didn't realize you were just pulling it right out of your ass.  

 

I didn't know my ass possessed such marvelous capability to conduct research and be frank about things. Thanks for letting me know. If you need to be a victim of suffering to talk about something, doesn't that means professions like historians are pointless because they are investigating the past which is something they are not a part of ? 

 

Food for thought.

 

And? It's still gibberish, no matter who did the research and whether they consider themselves "intellectuals". If they really were such "intellectual" people, one would think they wouldn't waste their brain cells on something that is subjective and personal

As for my point, you've provided enough "facts and evidence" across various topics on this forum that proves it correct so cheers for that.

 

What's gibberish ? The fact that real life romance and marriage poses very real risk to men ? Risks like loss of income, loss of freedom, loss of health, while getting next to nothing in return ?

 

There are many things that are subjective and personal. However, only the intellectually incapable would claim that there is no trend or pattern that can be studied and researched in the things that are subjective and personal.
 

[Serza]

I didn't know having a lovable cat, some friends and family members is equal to being forever alone.

 

Oh. Wait. Friends?

 

I have absolutely no creators-be-damned faith in what you just said.

 

ROFL! Some pseudointellectual moron on YouTube doesn't count as "facts and evidence", sweetheart.

Let's face it. No woman wants you because you're a tool, so you say all of this nonsense and claim it's factual when really you're just chucking a tantrum because you can't get a woman. Grow up.

 

Thus Spake The Donk... And Serza Agreed.

 

Sorry, my bad.  I thought you were talking from bitter experience here 'takes half my assets ... blah blah blah.'  I didn't realize you were just pulling it right out of your ass.  

 

Don't they always?

[Donk]

What's gibberish ? The fact that real life romance and marriage poses very real risk to men ? Risks like loss of income, loss of freedom, loss of health, while getting next to nothing in return ?

There are many things that are subjective and personal. However, only the intellectually incapable would claim that there is no trend or pattern that can be studied and researched in the things that are subjective and personal.

Interesting that you included "men" but wouldnt it work both ways?

The answer is really simple. In fact, it's ironic that it somebody deemed it necessary to do "research" in the first place.

People are arseholes. Women get caught up in abusive, possessive relationships and so do men. It isn't about the idea of romantic relationships in itself -- but the *people* involved.

[Catilina]

(It's interesting. Isabela also not young, but people not opened thread from her age problem... What's wrong with Cassandra?)

[Andraste_Reborn]

(It's interesting. Isabela also not young, but people not opened thread from her age problem... What's wrong with Cassandra?)

 

People that don't like Isabela are normally too busy calling her a tramp to worry about her age.

 

ETA: Apparently the word filter won't let me talk about people calling Isabela a **** or a *****.  Edited for clarity.