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[Rraith]

Today I wanted to check out and buy DLCs for Dragon Age: Inquisition on Origin. They were very expensive but fine, that is not my point at all. By the way, I have Digital Deluxe Edition.

 

All DLCs cost 55 Euros in total. Then I noticed that now there is a GOTY Edition of the game. It includes everything and its price is 40 euros?! I cannot see any logic in this pricing method. I thought maybe there was some kind of mistake and contacted live support. They said marketing department makes those decisions and adviced me to buy GOTY Edition because it is cheaper. A big company like EA is telling me to have two different editions of the same game on my account because of they could not price the DLCs better.

 

I bought Digital Deluxe Edition after a few months the game was released. I like Bioware games, I played all of them. But do I have to wait until they release GOTY Edition to not to be cheated? How hard it is to do a logical pricing that can both satisfy old and new players?

 

Nonsense, I tell you.

[FloraTheElf]

I bought the game twice for the downloads because of that reason. I think its worth it, anyway, so I don't feel cheated about it personally. I know I got my moneys worth 10 times over.

[AlanC9]

So, you're getting the DLCs for, what, 30% off or so? Sounds like a good deal.

You should probably look for a sale, though. I picked up a DL code for the GOTY for $35 on sale from Amazon.

[Krypplingz]

It's a similar thing with Steam. The DLCs are almost always more expensive when sold on their own rather than bundled with the GOTY equivalent. 

Spoiler

                          DLC          GOTY

Skyrim               $44,97      $39,99

Saints Row 3     $67,80      $19,99

Civilization V      $119,35    $49,99

Sleeping Dogs   $74,76      $29,99

 

It think the reasoning for the Skyrim DLCs was that when you buy the legendary edition you increase the number of "games sold".

So if 14 people buy it at launch, wait until the DLC are all released and then buy the Legendary edition then the company can say they sold 28 games and 42 dlc, rather than 14 games and 42 dlcs.

 

And of course, if you want to get a good deal while buying video games, movies or books you don't buy the them when they are released. You wait until the price drops and the sales start.

Origin also occasionally puts the GOTY and the DLC on sale. I think the last time it was 50% off. And of course, the retail versions usually have even better prices as time goes by. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Yeah, it's pretty stupid. They should have let players get a GOTY upgrade for a fair price.

[United Servo Academy Choir]

A GOTY upgrade or a DLC sale would be great, although the latter happens often enough. But the concept of a GOTY edition really isn't all that hard to understand

 

If you buy the game new and the DLC piecemeal, you get to play it all sooner, but it costs you more.

 

If you wait for a GOTY edition or a sale, you get to play it later, but it's cheaper.

 

If you indict Bioware and EA on this, you need to follow through with pretty much every major publisher out there.

[DallasMissy]

must be nice to have all the dlc packs for dragon age all I have is the ones for ps3 thou I per ordered the game and played for the book and soundtrack and all I got was some lame dlc and the useless game book. I got way more for my money when I bought skyrim legendary edition.

[HikariWS]

If you buy the game new and the DLC piecemeal, you get to play it all sooner, but it costs you more.

 

If you wait for a GOTY edition or a sale, you get to play it later, but it's cheaper.

 

Exactly. But what op is complaining here is that he's not buying the DLC sooner, he's buying them late, and being charged the full price.

 

We really should have a GOTY upgrade for those who bought the game early.

 

I believe the issue here is that publishers want people to buy the game early. They don't want us buying the main game early, then forgetting about it, then later buying the DLC. So, here, they are punishing people who did that and delayed buying DLC.

 

They only lower prices when they believe they'll lose sales otherwhise. This means that they believe people who bought the game early will pay full price for DLCs, even if buying later. But, people who didn't buy the game, won't wanna pay the full price of the game and all DLC and will probably not buy anything, so they create the GOTY edition aiming on those late people.

 

I remember Fallout 4 had a 50% discount when the first DLC was released, obviously to bring people who didn't have the game but wanted to buy it and the DLC. When CivBE was released, it was costing R$100 and Civ5 with all DLC was also R$100, then months later I bought Civ5+DLC for R$50.

 

Basicly, you either buy the game when it's released and play it a lot and keep buying DLC as they are released, or just ignore it until GOTY is sold with discount.

[thats1evildude]

Long story short: the DLC remains at full price as a way of coaxing people to buy the GOTY.

[Rraith]

Exactly. But what op is complaining here is that he's not buying the DLC sooner, he's buying them late, and being charged the full price.

 

We really should have a GOTY upgrade for those who bought the game early.

 

 

You sir, totally understood my complaint.

 

Some of you adviced me to buy GOTY Edition just like EA. I already have the game. I bought it years ago. I don't see why I am forced to buy the same game the second time.

 

Also they never make a discount or a sale for DLCs. It has been nearly two years since they were released and still they are at the same price (by the way only a handful of games cost more than Dragon Age DLCs in the market). At least they could add something like a "season pass" for people who bought deluxe edition. That way we could get DLCs free when they were released and since we paid for them in the very beginning, there would be no issue. A far better solution than "buy the game second time cause you know it's cheaper".

[nightscrawl]

^ Yes, they do have DLC sales. They had a spring sale in April, and will probably have a summer sale. The story DLC were $9.99 and the spoils packs were $3.32.

 

Since you mentioned euros, I don't know when they might have sales in those regions. It might just be the difference between Europe and North America. You say they "never" have them, but do you check all the time, or did you only check once your interest in DAI was renewed and you decided to finally purchase the DLC?

[pdusen]

I will never understand how people can complain about the re-buying the game in the GOTY edition to get the DLC when doing so is still cheaper than buying the DLC piecemeal. It makes zero sense.

[HikariWS]

Long story short: the DLC remains at full price as a way of coaxing people to buy the GOTY.

I don't think that's EA's intention. It's making people not wanna buy the DLÇ, not forcing them to buy GOTY. It's just a flaw on marketing strategy, and the great marketers are too high to be reached and reasoned.

 

Some of you adviced me to buy GOTY Edition just like EA. I already have the game. I bought it years ago. I don't see why I am forced to buy the same game the second time.

 

At least they could add something like a "season pass" for people who bought deluxe edition. That way we could get DLCs free when they were released and since we paid for them in the very beginning, there would be no issue. A far better solution than "buy the game second time cause you know it's cheaper".

 

I will never understand how people can complain about the re-buying the game in the GOTY edition to get the DLC when doing so is still cheaper than buying the DLC piecemeal. It makes zero sense.

 

And why would somebody need to buy the same game twice?

 

Sadly, that's more common to happen than we'd expect. See Mega Drive and SNES games, that were sold in last years on Steam, Xbox, Wii, etc. We're not allowed to download roms and play them on public emulators if we don't have the cartridges, but if we do, we're allowed to buy them again to play on current hardware.

 

 

I accept the DLÇ business model. Instead of taking 3 years to develop a full game (and another 2 years to develop an expansion), and during that time keep eating money with no return and no assurance that the Return over Investment and the profit will be provided, developers have better time licensing Unity or Unread Engine and developing the minimum possible content to make it a game, and then sell it. If the main game succeeds, they take the profit and invest themselves on new content which is sold to feed more work. I'm ok with that and they have all my support on getting investments for game development.

 

But these DLÇs are breaking the market. Content that should be basic is being sold as DLC, there are DLC that have very little content, and as shown where we're urged to either buy everything 0-day or wait for years (which we'd wait anyway) for the GOTY edition. Not even softhouses' marketers are able to handle this mess.

 

On movies we're seeing the same. A plot that could me put in a 3h movie or shrinked for a 2h one is extended to a trilogy, and the middle movie gets boring and empty. Avatar had 3 editions, people who had bought the BD early had to buy it again to watch 10 extra minutes, then buy it AGAIN for a few more. Gravity was already out and a new edition with new sound was released. And never anybody who already bought the movie has discount on the new edition.

 

What I do is just not play the games at all. I wanted to play Fallout 4 and didn't buy it, and now ppl are complaining it's too simple, our choices have no effect on plot, and there are too many DLC with less content than fan-made mods. DAI, if I knew the game in 2014, I'd not buy it until its GOTY was out. DA2 I'll probably just play the main game and move on.

[Rraith]

^ Yes, they do have DLC sales. They had a spring sale in April, and will probably have a summer sale. The story DLC were $9.99 and the spoils packs were $3.32.

 

Since you mentioned euros, I don't know when they might have sales in those regions. It might just be the difference between Europe and North America. You say they "never" have them, but do you check all the time, or did you only check once your interest in DAI was renewed and you decided to finally purchase the DLC?

 

The game is a lot cheaper than when it was released years ago. This is very normal because it's getting older everyday. Dragon Age did not stay at the same price. Its price have constantly been decreased in years and it will continue to do so. This is normal market behaviour. But these DLCs, they are still at 15 Euros after 2 years. Now that GOTY edition is out I am sure their price will stay at 15 Euros for an eternity. Since the value of Euro tends to increase in time, DLCs are only getting more expensive. What EA does is not marketing, it is simply "buy GOTY or GTFO".

 

 

I will never understand how people can complain about the re-buying the game in the GOTY edition to get the DLC when doing so is still cheaper than buying the DLC piecemeal. It makes zero sense.

 

"You are the inquisitor and you must decide the Inquisition's final fate". This is from Tresspasser DLC. So the story continues and it will end with this DLC. I can understand DLCs including fancy mounts and weapons. If you like them, just buy them. For someone who wants to experience the whole story of the game, Tresspasser seems essential. So years ago, I bought an incomplete game and to make it a complete game I must buy the whole game one more time. Not to mention I have to download a big game like DAI again.

 

I might sound like I am bitchy but if you think this is fair to customers then it is your opinion. I completely disagree with you.

[SurelyForth]

DAI isn't an incomplete game, though. There is a a clearly stated goal that is resolved within the confines of the base game. It is the story of how the Inquisition formed and managed to close the Breach and take down the Elder One. The ending raises questions, as it should. This is a series and its installments should leave players/viewers/readers wanting more. 

 

Trespasser is a non-essential epilogue that expands on the Inquisitor's story post-endgame and fleshes out the sequel-bait zinger at the end of DAI while also hooking into future games. While fun, the most important story beats could easily be covered at the beginning of DA4. 

[nightscrawl]

DAI isn't an incomplete game, though. There is a a clearly stated goal that is resolved within the confines of the base game. It is the story of how the Inquisition formed and managed to close the Breach and take down the Elder One. The ending raises questions, as it should. This is a series and its installments should leave players/viewers/readers wanting more. 

 

Trespasser is a non-essential epilogue that expands on the Inquisitor's story post-endgame and fleshes out the sequel-bait zinger at the end of DAI while also hooking into future games. While fun, the most important story beats could easily be covered at the beginning of DA4. 

 

Have to disagree with you on that one. While it is true that the primary story of Dragon Age: Inquisition, the conflict with Corypheus, is resolved in the base game, the overall plot is not resolved. The base game contains the post-credit stinger with Solas and reveals that he was connected to the orb in a greater way than simply being concerned with it an an ancient elven artifact; we learn about the deeper meaning of that in Trespasser. In addition, since the base game is called Dragon Age: Inquisition, and the fate of the Inquisition itself is decided upon, that is another argument that Trespasser is essential. Trespasser also has significant character development for the PC.

 

If the base DAI were all that was, and we just had to wait until DA4 for some of these things to be explained (the connection with Solas), then that would be true. But the very existence of Trespasser, and how it connects to the base game, is what makes that DLC essential.

 

However, I don't think that either JoH or Descent are essential. They contain come interesting lore bits, but aren't dramatically significant to the plot of DAI.

[Elhanan]

And sometimes like with DA2, there is no such edition.

I do not mind the storied DLC at all thus far, as all has been worthy of the investment, and to get to play it soon rather than later. But I still pass on many of the item packs for some games.

[SurelyForth]

Have to disagree with you on that one. While it is true that the primary story of Dragon Age: Inquisition, the conflict with Corypheus, is resolved in the base game, the overall plot is not resolved. The base game contains the post-credit stinger with Solas and reveals that he was connected to the orb in a greater way than simply being concerned with it an an ancient elven artifact; we learn about the deeper meaning of that in Trespasser. In addition, since the base game is called Dragon Age: Inquisition, and the fate of the Inquisition itself is decided upon, that is another argument that Trespasser is essential. Trespasser also has significant character development for the PC.

 

If the base DAI were all that was, and we just had to wait until DA4 for some of these things to be explained (the connection with Solas), then that would be true. But the very existence of Trespasser, and how it connects to the base game, is what makes that DLC essential.

 

However, I don't think that either JoH or Descent are essential. They contain come interesting lore bits, but aren't dramatically significant to the plot of DAI.

 

A stinger isn't part of the plot, though. It's a stinger. You don't call the MCU movies incomplete because they have post-credit scenes to hint at future MCU movies. There is a complete story told in the game. It starts with the Breach being opened and it ends with Corypheus dying just like Origins starts with the Warden being recruited and the Archdemon being slain. 

 

And the DLC isn't essential. At all. You don't have to play it to know that Solas is Fen'Harel and that he loaned his orb to Corypheus. You won't have to play it to find out what happened to the Inquisitor, because they are pretty good about touching on the big stuff from previous games in sequels. 

 

Like...I don't even know what to say, really. Acting like DAI isn't a complete game strikes me as ridiculously disingenuous. I can't think of a single movie/book/game I have ever encountered that couldn't continue on into perpetuity- there are always more stories that can be told about a person or setting, always more threads that can be followed to conclusions both pre-ordained and speculative. The potential for those stories doesn't make the original tales less whole. 

[pdusen]

And why would somebody need to buy the same game twice?

 

Uh... you don't, and I never said you did. I just pointed out that you save money by doing so, and saving money seems to be what people are after here.

 

"You are the inquisitor and you must decide the Inquisition's final fate". This is from Tresspasser DLC. So the story continues and it will end with this DLC. I can understand DLCs including fancy mounts and weapons. If you like them, just buy them. For someone who wants to experience the whole story of the game, Tresspasser seems essential. So years ago, I bought an incomplete game and to make it a complete game I must buy the whole game one more time. Not to mention I have to download a big game like DAI again.

 

You bought a complete game, and now you're buying (or not) extra content made to be tacked on to the end of that game. There's no problem here.

 

And it was a complete game, by the way. Stories end without fully resolving all plot threads all the time. The only thing you need to ask yourself is, is the central conflict of this story resolved in the base game? The answer is clearly yes.

 

It's analogous to DA:O. You set out to beat the Archdemon, and the base game ends with you defeating the Archdemon. Despite the fact that Awakening then picks up where DA:O left off, DA:O is a complete story. DA:I and Trespasser are laid out in exactly the same way.

 

I might sound like I am bitchy but if you think this is fair to customers then it is your opinion. I completely disagree with you.

 

You can disagree with me all you want, but the fact is that buying the GOTY edition to get the DLC is cheaper than just buying the DLC, so you are still getting a discount by doing so. You might have a point if it worked out to be the same price or more expensive, but it doesn't, so you don't. 

[nightscrawl]

A stinger isn't part of the plot, though. It's a stinger. You don't call the MCU movies incomplete because they have post-credit scenes to hint at future MCU movies. There is a complete story told in the game. It starts with the Breach being opened and it ends with Corypheus dying just like Origins starts with the Warden being recruited and the Archdemon being slain. 
 
And the DLC isn't essential. At all. You don't have to play it to know that Solas is Fen'Harel and that he loaned his orb to Corypheus. You won't have to play it to find out what happened to the Inquisitor, because they are pretty good about touching on the big stuff from previous games in sequels. 
 
Like...I don't even know what to say, really. Acting like DAI isn't a complete game strikes me as ridiculously disingenuous. I can't think of a single movie/book/game I have ever encountered that couldn't continue on into perpetuity- there are always more stories that can be told about a person or setting, always more threads that can be followed to conclusions both pre-ordained and speculative. The potential for those stories doesn't make the original tales less whole.

I didn't say DAI was an incomplete game. Perhaps I should have cut that part out of the quote. But I do think the DLC is pretty important, yes.

No, you don't HAVE to play it because the bare bones will likely get covered in the next game, just as the bare bones concerning Corypheus from Legacy was covered in DAI. But I feel that to get the very MOST out of the game that one should play it, yes. We're not talking about romances and stuff here, there is important stuff in Trespasser.


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I should add that I'm not one of those people that disliked the main game, or feels that Trespasser saved it, or whathaveyou. I was completely satisfied with the main game experience.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 10 juin 2016 - 01:01 .

[ArcadiaGrey]

When I wanted the Dishonored DLCs they were £8 each, so £16 for the two.  Instead I got the GOTY edition on sale on Steam, it had the base game and both DLCs for £10.  

When I downloaded it, the game simply downloaded the extra DLCs and not the base game over again, wouldn't the same thing happen here?  Same for DA:O.  Why would you have to download DAI again?

 

You get the DLCs in the GOTY edition for less money than buying them separately, I don't understand what you're complaining about tbh.  It's just the convoluted system that exists for video games and their value as they get older.

[Rraith]

 

You can disagree with me all you want, but the fact is that buying the GOTY edition to get the DLC is cheaper than just buying the DLC, so you are still getting a discount by doing so. You might have a point if it worked out to be the same price or more expensive, but it doesn't, so you don't. 

 

I understand your point and you are right in your own way. The price difference between Digital Deluxe and GOTY is 10 Euros. DLCs which Digital Deluxe does not include cost 55 euros. The difference here is abysmal. So of course paying 40 Euros for GOTY is a better choice than buying DLCs separately. Honestly the pricing is way off. This is simple math. For people who have Digital Deluxe, the DLCs should cost 10 Euros. Simple as that.

 

You can argue that paying 40 Euros instead of 55 Euros is a discount. From my point of view paying 40 Euros for DLCs which worth 10 Euros on paper is a rip off.

 

Once again, I see your point and respect it. This is just my opinion.

 

 

When I wanted the Dishonored DLCs they were £8 each, so £16 for the two.  Instead I got the GOTY edition on sale on Steam, it had the base game and both DLCs for £10.  

When I downloaded it, the game simply downloaded the extra DLCs and not the base game over again, wouldn't the same thing happen here?  Same for DA:O.  Why would you have to download DAI again?

 

 

To be honest I assumed that you might have to download the whole game again because technically it is an another game on your library. I don't have firsthand experience with that. If my assumption is wrong, I apologize.

 

[ArcadiaGrey]

To be honest I assumed that you might have to download the whole game again because technically it is an another game on your library. I don't have firsthand experience with that. If my assumption is wrong, I apologize.

 

With Dragon Age Origins I started out with the regular edition, then upgraded to the ultimate edition.  When I did a new icon appeared in my Origin games page, so there's one for both, but they both start up the same version of the game and I didn't have to redownload it.  It simply added the DLCs.

I would expect the same thing from DAI, that it would just tack them on to your current game.  

[GithCheater]

Uh... you don't, and I never said you did. I just pointed out that you save money by doing so, and saving money seems to be what people are after here.

 

 

You bought a complete game, and now you're buying (or not) extra content made to be tacked on to the end of that game. There's no problem here.

 

And it was a complete game, by the way. Stories end without fully resolving all plot threads all the time. The only thing you need to ask yourself is, is the central conflict of this story resolved in the base game? The answer is clearly yes.

 

It's analogous to DA:O. You set out to beat the Archdemon, and the base game ends with you defeating the Archdemon. Despite the fact that Awakening then picks up where DA:O left off, DA:O is a complete story. DA:I and Trespasser are laid out in exactly the same way.

 

 

You can disagree with me all you want, but the fact is that buying the GOTY edition to get the DLC is cheaper than just buying the DLC, so you are still getting a discount by doing so. You might have a point if it worked out to be the same price or more expensive, but it doesn't, so you don't. 

 

Unlike DAI, Pillars of Eternity and Witcher 3 have season passes for DLC that are cheaper than the DLC (or the game) with the added bonus of not having to rebuy the game again.

[AlanC9]

I get the price part of that, but how is not rebuying the game a bonus? Isn't it just irrelevant?