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I always thought it was polygamy, only found out I was wrong minutes after posting it. Not sure how to edit the title is all, being new to to forum posting. Sorry about that. 

 

Gotcha covered.

 

Click "Use Full Editor."

 

And given what happens around here a lot of the time, it's really not a big deal.


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Polygamy (as in having multiple wives) is a hella bad idea. A man can be taken to the cleaners by just one woman, now imagine 2-3 or more, a guy will be homeless and pushing a shopping cart in no time!



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Gotcha covered.

 

Click "Use Full Editor."

 

And given what happens around here a lot of the time, it's really not a big deal.

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Polygamy (as in having multiple wives) is a hella bad idea. A man can be taken to the cleaners by just one woman, now imagine 2-3 or more, a guy will be homeless and pushing a shopping cart in no time!

Three women? Nah, if there's going to be multiple romances I'd prefer sausages AND tacos for dinner. Nah mean?



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Three women? Nah, if there's going to be multiple romances I'd prefer sausages AND tacos for dinner. Nah mean?

Diversity is the spice of life as they say.



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I want to make this very clear. I have no problem with polyamorous relationships, but then again I grew up with parents who liked to swing. I grew up with a different view on it in general. It's not something I would do in my love life, but I understand it better than most.

Human beings are still somewhat primal and not everyone is meant to be with just one person -- few animals mate for life. That being said, from my own personal experience, the polyamorous people that I've seen have always been in the minority and typically act as if they're the victim of a cultural or moral misunderstanding.

I would argue that they are. The misunderstanding is the widely held belief that there is some "right" way to live.

We're all the victims of that misunderstanding.

In truth, their inability to commit to one person usually hurts a lot of people along the way to finding partners that share their views. The vast majority -- be they heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, demisexual, pansexual, or otherwise -- still believe in monogamous relationships and, when someone polyamorous does what they are genetically or psychologically inclined to do (there are studies that support both), people get hurt.

But people get hurt not because the polyamorous behaviour is somehow wrong, but because it's unusual. People who aren't capable of polyamory aren't going to he compatible with the lifestyle, and they don't know how to deal with it.

Education would help. Or just not making assumptions about people. A person is complex, and it benefits all of us to think about each other complexly.
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Do you mean this literally? I might regret asking this, but if you do, could you please elaborate? Sorry for asking, but this sort of caught my eye and I like to give people a benefit of doubt. It just happens, that If this statement of yours is true, it would change drastically my understanding of history, archeology and anthropology.

I would actually go farther than that and argue that we're not monogamous now.

In animals, monogamy is marked by a single lifelong mate. Humans don't do that. What we call serial monogamy - having one partner at a time - isn't monogamy. No biologist studying non-humans would call that monogamy.

As to your actual question, I suggest you Google it. There's a mountain of current research on the topic. The sort of serial polygyny we see in humans now first appeared in protohumans about 3 million years ago, but it's been far from universal. Even now, the majority of human cultures are not universally monogamous. Western culture certainly isn't, try as it might to promote such a thing.

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I would argue that they are. The misunderstanding is the widely held belief that there is some "right" way to live.

We're all the victims of that misunderstanding.
But people get hurt not because the polyamorous behaviour is somehow wrong, but because it's unusual. People who aren't capable of polyamory aren't going to he compatible with the lifestyle, and they don't know how to deal with it.

Education would help. Or just not making assumptions about people. A person is complex, and it benefits all of us to think about each other complexly.

It's very simple.
Easy to imagine that I have more lover at once.
It is not easy to imagine that my love have more lover besides me.
 
In fact the education does not help.
 
It sounds selfish? YES! Because in this regard the love are selfish.
 
But not so much that I do not see it when I love someone, I do not want to hurt him. Ergo: if I love someone, I do not going to search someone else.
And honestly? There is no need other lover. If you really love someone, it is enough. If you're not, then it is all one.
 
But  if it is all one, then  quite unnecessary to risk the cohesion of the group with jealousy.


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It's very simple.
Easy to imagine that I have more lover at once.
It is not easy to imagine that my love have more lover besides me.

I think the opposite. I wouldn't have the time or interest to have more than one partner, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone else did. And if that makes my partner happy, I think that would be fine with me. It would free up more of my time, as well.

Maybe a schedule. A schedule would work for me. I could totally be a sister wife.

And jealousy is irrational. I wouldn't want to be with someone vulnerable to that anyway.

Edit: And imagine the advantages in child rearing. Having more caregivers would allow a more efficient division of labour.
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I think the opposite. I wouldn't have the time or interest to have more than one partner, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone else did. And if that makes my partner happy, I think that would be fine with me. It would free up more of my time, as well.

Maybe a schedule. A schedule would work for me. I could totally be a sister wife.

And jealousy is irrational. I wouldn't want to be with someone vulnerable to that anyway.

Edit: And imagine the advantages in child rearing. Having more caregivers would allow a more efficient division of labour.

 

You think so, I can not imagine.

Irrational or not, the jealousy exists in most people. This is fact. 

And in game: do you think the team morale point of view it would be good?



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Yeah, but people are ALWAYS going to complain, it's just how it is. I reckon they'd go with a bi-male and bi-female.

 

 

 

 

Sounds like just a bug, and a couple of lines of dialogue for one character wouldn't be too costly. Look at all the dialogue the recorded for Tali in ME3 on the Geth ship.

 

Not necessarily, they could both be separate. Partner 1 could bring up "aren't you with so and so?" Then you could lock-in with partner 2 who brings it up also.

 

 

Jade Empire did exactly this at the end of the game too. Two of the romance options both have 'lock-in' points but they didn't cancel each other out. Think romancing Liara and Ash/Kaidan without the confrontation. Throw in maybe one or two remarks about the other partner, just to acknowledge that your character is in a poly-amorous relationship, and add in a threesome scene (likely fade-to-black to avoid animation costs) at the end of the game and they've got a neat poly romance mechanic imo.

 

Polyamory isn't the same as multiple concurrent sex partners necessarily. And just having there be an existing bisexual couple who wants to have a threesome with the PC is going to reinforce the promiscuous bisexual trope and conflate the idea of polyamory with group sex.

 

Jade Empire was weird in this. Dawn Star is presumably straight since she will not romance a female PC. But somehow she's okay with having a threesome with her female cousin? This has unfortunate implications; one could make the argument that people willing to engage in polyamory/group sex are also willing to commit incest or are willing to "go bi".

 

There are just too many variables to make this work easily in a game setting. It's not worth the resources.


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You think so, I can not imagine.
Irrational or not, the jealousy exists in most people. This is fact.
And in game: do you think the team morale point of view it would be good?

If you're asking about the game, I would love to see these aspects of team morale built in.

If you're asking about the real world, I'm sure I wouldn't know. How other people feel is always a mystery to me.

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Polyamory isn't the same as multiple concurrent sex partners necessarily. And just having there be an existing bisexual couple who wants to have a threesome with the PC is going to reinforce the promiscuous bisexual trope and conflate the idea of polyamory with group sex.

Jade Empire was weird in this. Dawn Star is presumably straight since she will not romance a female PC. But somehow she's okay with having a threesome with her female cousin? This has unfortunate implications; one could make the argument that people willing to engage in polyamory/group sex are also willing to commit incest or are willing to "go bi".

There are just too many variables to make this work easily in a game setting. It's not worth the resources.

I didn't get the impression that Jade Empire was suggesting a threesome. I thought Dawn Star and Silk Fox were simply going to share.

Like sister wives.

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I didn't get the impression that Jade Empire was suggesting a threesome. I thought Dawn Star and Silk Fox were simply going to share.

Like sister wives.

It's cut to black, right? So I think either impression is valid and up to the viewer. Since it's the exact same scene as for the individual LI scene, I assumed it indicated that the fade to black was leading to sex with them both at the same time.


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I would argue that they are. The misunderstanding is the widely held belief that there is some "right" way to live.

We're all the victims of that misunderstanding.

 

That same logic could be applied to a multitude of issues and actions, but human culture is composed of varying things that we considered to be right or wrong.  I'm not saying polyamory is bad or wrong, but you could literally use that argument to defend a serial killer.

 

The fact of the matter is, if the polyamorous individual was aware of their lifestyle before entering into a relationship and their partner is hurt due to the misunderstanding, the monogamous person is more of a victim.  To argue otherwise would be akin to saying that a murderer is a victim because he has to suffer the consequences of his actions.

 

But people get hurt not because the polyamorous behaviour is somehow wrong, but because it's unusual. People who aren't capable of polyamory aren't going to he compatible with the lifestyle, and they don't know how to deal with it.

Education would help. Or just not making assumptions about people. A person is complex, and it benefits all of us to think about each other complexly.

 

I just want to say, again, that I don't think polyamory is wrong.  It's not for me, but I know it works for others.  As far as I'm concerned, if everyone involved is okay with it, it's none of my business.  You do you, polyamorous peeps.  

 

Unfortunately prejudice and assumptions are a part of natural survival instincts.  People are going to expect what is considered the norm.  It's not your fault if you're surprised to hear a giant man speak with an unnaturally high-pitched voice.  But education does help when it comes to understanding a group of people and not hating them just because they hurt you or someone you know.  


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Threads like this make me wonder what aliens think of our sexual habits.



Alien scientist: They really will bang anything won't they?


Other alien scientist: And all at once if they can.
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My polyamorous friend. He got me in a mess of trouble again.

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Threads like this make me wonder what aliens think of our sexual habits.



Alien scientist: They really will bang anything won't they?


Other alien scientist: And all at once if they can.

I do not envy aliens if humans ever conquer some. These films and cartoons about alien invasions are based on our own habits after all



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Threads like this make me wonder what aliens think of our sexual habits.



Alien scientist: They really will bang anything won't they?


Other alien scientist: And all at once if they can.

 

What species is sharing females again? Krogan?



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Poly=many? I guess it's a yes from me - if it's not overdone. Basically I always edit at least the colours of my armours.



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What species is sharing females again? Krogan?


When you do it, it doesn't make sense.

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I do not envy aliens if humans ever conquer some. These films and cartoons about alien invasions are based on our own habits after all


If BSN is anything to go by......

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How about you're a part of the harem instead of getting your own harem? Would people accept that? It seems like too much of a power fantasy. It's not the issue of jealousy, but it seems like it's always about the power fantasy where everyone just want them and willing to share you with each other. What if you're the one who's a part of the relationship? Like you and several other guys are in the same relationship with the female LIs. 


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How about you're a part of the harem instead of getting your own harem? Would people accept that? It seems like too much of a power fantasy. It's not the issue of jealousy, but it seems like it's always about the power fantasy where everyone just want them and willing to share you with each other. What if you're the one who's a part of the relationship? Like you and several other guys are in the same relationship with the female LIs. 

Both examples are fine with me. Not everyone experiences jealousy to the same extent.



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That same logic could be applied to a multitude of issues and actions, but human culture is composed of varying things that we considered to be right or wrong. I'm not saying polyamory is bad or wrong, but you could literally use that argument to defend a serial killer.

Thereby demonstrating how tenuous most of our moral justification for anything is.

Unfortunately prejudice and assumptions are a part of natural survival instincts. People are going to expect what is considered the norm. It's not your fault if you're surprised to hear a giant man speak with an unnaturally high-pitched voice.

I disagree with this. We're reasoning agents. Each of us has an epistemic responsibility to examine our opinions and ensure they are justified.
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