2. BioWare, apparently. (gay or bi)
To be fair, the Mass Effect team hasn't had a deviant gay or bi love interest. In the three games there is Liara, Kelly, Samantha, Steve, and Kaidan. None of those characters were deviant. Even the really minor ones like Samara and Diana weren't.
1. I love Isabela
2. BioWare, apparently. (gay or bi)
EDIT: Though I want to reiterate I don't want to see this in ME period. Regardless of the love interest's preference. Mass Effect isn't a dating/f***ing sim.
You are right. It is not a dating-sim. However I'm not sure even Bioware realize that. In the end they included gay, lesbian and bisexual romances into the game just to pander to homosexual and bisexual fans even though during times of ME1 they stated that Shepard was heterosexual (Liara is an alien). I am all for Bioware deciding themselves which romantic options to include that would fit into their story (that's what they did with ME1 after all), but if they want to please their homosexual fans then why not please polyamorous fans as well? Equal treatment and all that. Or just cut the bs and make our character have a pre-defined sexuality.
This is under the assumption of a three (or more)-way. Polyamory is, per the Merriam-Webster, the state or practice of having more than one open romantic relationship at a time. While at most it could be a multi-way, the ending could just as well be different, coupled sex scenes. And while in real life more than two partners is possible, BW could just as easily cut it short to just two LI's. This would make programming reasonable and, more so, they could make it so that one of the LI's accepts open relationships but doesn't practice polyamory personally, making the PC and the other LI being the only practitioners of polyamory.
Limiting the number of LI options to 2 in order to accommodate a poly option? That seems...unfair. When same sex LIs were introduced, they didn't reduce the number of hetero romances.
Anyone got a guess what that was supposed to convey?
That they had no rebuttal but wanted to look like their goal was to actually rile people up rather than state an unpopular opinion. #Icanneverbewrong
You are right. It is not a dating-sim. However I'm not sure even Bioware realize that. In the end they included gay, lesbian and bisexual romances into the game just to pander to homosexual and bisexual fans even though during times of ME1 they stated that Shepard was heterosexual (Liara is an alien). I am all for Bioware deciding themselves which romantic options to include that would fit into their story (that's what they did with ME1 after all), but if they want to please their homosexual fans then why not please polyamorous fans as well? Equal treatment and all that. Or just cut the bs and make our character have a pre-defined sexuality.
But then Kelly in ME2 can get into a romance with femShep. Basically female Shepard is bisexual while maleShepard is not. Totally not pander to the straight males with lesbians are hot. Asari looks like a female woman, can give birth, with boobs, butt. Yeah, she's totally a guy. They put in bare minimum effort in ME3, and I don't want to repeat the same argument again, but it has been brought up several times. Polyamorous is a sexual desire while gay/lesbian are more sexual orientation. Polyamorous is more like choosing to live in a BDSM lifestyle than anything.
I always say the ME team did surprisingly an overall better job than the DA one.To be fair, the Mass Effect team hasn't had a deviant gay or bi love interest. In the three games there is Liara, Kelly, Samantha, Steve, and Kaidan. None of those characters were deviant. Even the really minor ones like Samara and Diana weren't.
To be fair, the Mass Effect team hasn't had a deviant gay or bi love interest. In the three games there is Liara, Kelly, Samantha, Steve, and Kaidan. None of those characters were deviant. Even the really minor ones like Samara and Diana weren't.
One could argue Kelly was a quasi "deviant" LI. There was the implication that she was open to any kind of sexual interaction when Mordin said she had scale itch, which is only carried by varren. Granted, it's not a canon statement and hopefully was just a joke, but IMO it felt like the bisexual chick was again labeled as sexually deviant.
You are right. It is not a dating-sim. However I'm not sure even Bioware realize that. In the end they included gay, lesbian and bisexual romances into the game just to pander to homosexual and bisexual fans even though during times of ME1 they stated that Shepard was heterosexual (Liara is an alien). I am all for Bioware deciding themselves which romantic options to include that would fit into their story (that's what they did with ME1 after all), but if they want to please their homosexual fans then why not please polyamorous fans as well? Equal treatment and all that. Or just cut the bs and make our character have a pre-defined sexuality.
No, Bioware said no such thing. Casey Hudson, a man who works at Bioware, said such things. I've never seen the rest of Bioware support him, and the games go against him.
As for the difference between homosexuality and polyamory, homosexuality is an orientation while polyamory is a preference. The former is not a choice where the latter is.
TBH there was obvious sexual tension between male shepard and Kaidan in ME1. So when Kaidan turned out to be bisexual in ME3 it kind made a lot of sense. Actually now that I think about his appearance in ME2 still has that tension from ME1. But Ashley was always cold towards female Shepard.
I always say the ME team did surprisingly an overall better job than the DA one.
True. Though on the other hand the DA team has also had more LGBT LIs. I can think of five Dragon Age LGBT LIs who aren't deviant either.
One could argue Kelly was a quasi "deviant" LI. There was the implication that she was open to any kind of sexual interaction when Mordin said she had scale itch, which is only carried by varren. Granted, it's not a canon statement and hopefully was just a joke, but IMO it felt like the bisexual chick was again labeled as sexually deviant.
No, they can't.
Mordin never said she has scale itch. He says some members of the crew have it, but never mentions names. It can also only be transmitted by Varren, so the implications unpleasant means either there is a Varren on board having sex with the crew or the virus is adapting to spread in other ways.
And Kelly's writer disagrees with the jokes about her being deviant or promiscuous, since they wrote the romance similar to Josephine's where it was left ambiguous whether she even sleeps with Shepard or just has a purely romantic relationship with them.
But then Kelly in ME2 can get into a romance with femShep. Basically female Shepard is bisexual while maleShepard is not. Totally not pander to the straight males with lesbians are hot. Asari looks like a female woman, can give birth, with boobs, butt. Yeah, she's totally a guy. They put in bare minimum effort in ME3, and I don't want to repeat the same argument again, but it has been brought up several times. Polyamorous is a sexual desire while gay/lesbian are more sexual orientation. Polyamorous is more like choosing to live in a BDSM lifestyle than anything.
I repeat, polyamory is not about just sex. You mix it up with swingers.
No, Bioware said no such thing. Casey Hudson, a man who works at Bioware, said such things. I've never seen the rest of Bioware support him, and the games go against him.
As for the difference between homosexuality and polyamory, homosexuality is an orientation while polyamory is a preference. The former is not a choice where the latter is.
Well, asexuality is not a choice either. However they didn't include a pure platonic romance that would feel complete without sex.
Well, asexuality is not a choice either. However their didn't include a pure platonic romance that would feel complete without sex.
Sure they have. Kelly Chambers, Josephine Montilyet, and Solas all have romances where there is no sex scene and whether they have sex at all is left ambiguous, allowing players who want a purely platonic romantic relationship to have them. Then there are romances where the sex scene is optional. Finally there is Sebastian Vale who is explicitly a chaste romance option since he took a vow of celibacy.
Sure they haven't made an actual asexual love interest(though Josephine's writer stated she finds players who see her as an asexual bisexual or demisexual bisexual are perfectly valid viewpoints), but Bioware has started giving options for asexual romances and plans to keep doing so in the future.
I repeat, polyamory is not about just sex. You mix it up with swingers.
Well, asexuality is not a choice either. However they didn't include a pure platonic romance that would feel complete without sex.
Yes, you want to love multiple people, but your sexual preference doesn't dictate who you can and can't love. Gays and lesbians can't attract to the opposite sex. Polyamory is basically less about their inability to be sexually attracted to someone to just wanting to be with multiple people.
Hence why I said "overall": Fenris, Merrill, Leliana, Josephine and Anders (save for the whole "do you mind I **** dudes?" thing) are fine.True. Though on the other hand the DA team has also had more LGBT LIs. I can think of five Dragon Age LGBT LIs who aren't deviant either.
No, they can't.
Mordin never said she has scale itch. He says some members of the crew have it, but never mentions names. It can also only be transmitted by Varren, so the implications unpleasant means either there is a Varren on board having sex with the crew or the virus is adapting to spread in other ways.
And Kelly's writer disagrees with the jokes about her being deviant or promiscuous, since they wrote the romance similar to Josephine's where it was left ambiguous whether she even sleeps with Shepard or just has a purely romantic relationship with them.
Hence why I said "overall": Fenris, Merrill, Leliana, Josephine and Anders (save for the whole "do you mind I **** dudes?" thing) are fine.
I know. I'm just trying to be fair to both teams. The Dragon Age team had had more LGBT LIs and are bolder about it, so their track record is mixed. The Mass Effect team has had less LGBT LIs and are more playing the safe route, so their track record is better. At least in the deviant LGBT respect.
Agreed.Same idiots, different day. When a side loses in a culture war, it whines about it for a long time.
Aye, they are not the same thing at all.Yes, you want to love multiple people, but your sexual preference doesn't dictate who you can and can't love. Gays and lesbians can't attract to the opposite sex. Polyamory is basically less about their inability to be sexually attracted to someone to just wanting to be with multiple people.
Limiting the number of LI options to 2 in order to accommodate a poly option? That seems...unfair. When same sex LIs were introduced, they didn't reduce the number of hetero romances.
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I was working under the contraints listed in the post above as there was a worry over word counts, programmability, etc. Regards to not restricting hetero romances for poly romances, truth of the matter is the percentage of closeted and vocal poly people, using a loose definition of polyamory, is 3% (per Psychology Today in 2014) so nixing a standard CIS coupling for a poly coupling is a bit disingenuous.
True. Though on the other hand the DA team has also had more LGBT LIs. I can think of five Dragon Age LGBT LIs who aren't deviant either.
No, they can't.
Mordin never said she has scale itch. He says some members of the crew have it, but never mentions names. It can also only be transmitted by Varren, so the implications unpleasant means either there is a Varren on board having sex with the crew or the virus is adapting to spread in other ways.
And Kelly's writer disagrees with the jokes about her being deviant or promiscuous, since they wrote the romance similar to Josephine's where it was left ambiguous whether she even sleeps with Shepard or just has a purely romantic relationship with them.
There's bound to be disagreement about this but i'd say Kelly was a little deviant. 
Her dancing for Shep and all. *whistles*
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Sure they haven't made an actual asexual love interest(though Josephine's writer stated she finds players who see her as an asexual bisexual or demisexual bisexual are perfectly valid viewpoints), but Bioware has started giving options for asexual romances and plans to keep doing so in the future.
Um, the word you're looking for is platonic, not asexual. Platonic (love), a close relationship between two persons in which sexual desire is nonexistent or has been suppressed or sublimated.
True. Though on the other hand the DA team has also had more LGBT LIs. I can think of five Dragon Age LGBT LIs who aren't deviant either.
No, they can't.
Mordin never said she has scale itch. He says some members of the crew have it, but never mentions names. It can also only be transmitted by Varren, so the implications unpleasant means either there is a Varren on board having sex with the crew or the virus is adapting to spread in other ways.
And Kelly's writer disagrees with the jokes about her being deviant or promiscuous, since they wrote the romance similar to Josephine's where it was left ambiguous whether she even sleeps with Shepard or just has a purely romantic relationship with them.
Okay I just did a quick search and it looks like the Kelly scale itch thing was actually a forum meme around the time of ME2. Posters speculating on who on the crew had it. So my apologies on that, I sublimated reading that at the time as it being in the game. I redact that statement.
I disagree about the ambiguity of her relationship with Shep being sexual or not, though. Her romance isn't locked in until after the game and the PC has dinner with her, correct? And that's when we get this scene:
It's a huge headcanon to say that Kelly is interested in purely platonic romance with Shep from this. Even if Shep declined to sleep with her at this point and she agreed to a platonic relationship, this scene was clearly intended to suggest sexual intimacy.
There's bound to be disagreement about this but i'd say Kelly was a little deviant.
I wouldn't call that deviant since it doesn't fit the definition being used.
Um, the word you're looking for is platonic, not asexual. Platonic (love), a close relationship between two persons in which sexual desire is nonexistent or has been suppressed or sublimated.
The person I was replying to said Bioware hadn't made a platonic relationship for asexuals.
To be fair, the Mass Effect team hasn't had a deviant gay or bi love interest. In the three games there is Liara, Kelly, Samantha, Steve, and Kaidan. None of those characters were deviant. Even the really minor ones like Samara and Diana weren't.
True, very true. You do hook up with Cortez in a club, but... that's pushing it. There's nothing else remotely stereotypical/offensive about Steve Cortez; I think he was a fine if slightly boring character lol
I hear the Sam/Shep love scene was a bit "OOoo yeah look at the two hot chicks in the shower!"-esque but haven't played it so can't confirm.
All in all I find the love scenes in ME kind of ridiculous. Even my canon M!Shenko, when they finally actually film it, it's kind of hilarious. Two guys rolling around in their underwear in the middle of my video game lol It's a bit silly.
You are right. It is not a dating-sim. However I'm not sure even Bioware realize that. In the end they included gay, lesbian and bisexual romances into the game just to pander to homosexual and bisexual fans ...........................
My eyes started glazing over, couldn't make it through your post; thanks for volunteering to be the next name on my ignore list 
One could argue Kelly was a quasi "deviant" LI. There was the implication that she was open to any kind of sexual interaction when Mordin said she had scale itch, which is only carried by varren. Granted, it's not a canon statement and hopefully was just a joke, but IMO it felt like the bisexual chick was again labeled as sexually deviant.
Really?? That is gross. But Haneko says it's not true. Hmm. Hopefully it isn't.
TBH there was obvious sexual tension between male shepard and Kaidan in ME1. So when Kaidan turned out to be bisexual in ME3 it kind made a lot of sense. Actually now that I think about his appearance in ME2 still has that tension from ME1. But Ashley was always cold towards female Shepard.
Haha agreeeeeeeeeee
After speaking to Kaidan, TIM asks (male!) Shepard if he's put his past relationships behind him, and you can snap "None of your damn business!"
That's some Captain America / Bucky Barnes "NO H0M0 BRO" sh!t right there
I know. I'm just trying to be fair to both teams. The Dragon Age team had had more LGBT LIs and are bolder about it, so their track record is mixed. The Mass Effect team has had less LGBT LIs and are more playing the safe route, so their track record is better. At least in the deviant LGBT respect.
That's a good way of putting it.
Aye, they are not the same thing at all.
I don't want polyamorous stuff, really, when I want to watch orgy/3some stuff I'll just watch hentai/read smutty fics, but seriously relationships and crazy sexual fantasies are two entirely different concepts.
Exactly, why can't people get this 
Okay I just did a quick search and it looks like the Kelly scale itch thing was actually a forum meme around the time of ME2. Posters speculating on who on the crew had it. So my apologies on that, I sublimated reading that at the time as it being in the game. I redact that statement.
I disagree about the ambiguity of her relationship with Shep being sexual or not, though. Her romance isn't locked in until after the game and the PC has dinner with her, correct? And that's when we get this scene:
*snip*
It's a huge headcanon to say that Kelly is interested in purely platonic romance with Shep from this. Even if Shep declined to sleep with her at this point and she agreed to a platonic relationship, this scene was clearly intended to suggest sexual intimacy.
It's okay. Thanks for the apology. 
You can disagree all you want. Word of God supports it as a perfectly valid interpretation since it was designed to be ambiguous. That means both sides are able to equally see their interpretation as what happens.
Well, the romance never locks in ME2. It gets imported into Mass Effect 3 if you get to the dinner invite and offer to feed your fish and then don't romance anybody else to the point of locking them in, which does unlock the dance scene. However I never initiated the dance scene but it still imported to ME3.
TBH there was obvious sexual tension between male shepard and Kaidan in ME1. So when Kaidan turned out to be bisexual in ME3 it kind made a lot of sense. Actually now that I think about his appearance in ME2 still has that tension from ME1. But Ashley was always cold towards female Shepard.
I must have been the only one who thought "eh, re-used animation" whenever Kaidan wiped his brow.
Slippery slope. Snowball, avalanche.
With every game the demands for more soap, romance, niche fetishes and general weirdness is rising.
We may be going to Andramada, but I wish to see more role-playing, epic story telling, mind blowing space vistas, and innovative Sci-Fi writing -
and less whatever this thread is.
...this scene was clearly intended to suggest sexual intimacy.
Indeed.
I am almost certain that this was done instead of a "proper" scene due to budget / time constraints.
You can disagree all you want. Word of God supports it as a perfectly valid interpretation since it was designed to be ambiguous.
The fact that someone gave you permission to imagine whatever you want, does not make this particular interpretation any more likely.
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