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[Dutch's Ghost]

The last was awakening and it was enjoyable. A great product to finish the DAO experience that left us wanting more.

Tw3 - Blood and Wine expansion has just recently released. I played and finished it. Clocked 25 hours with nearly two dozen side quests left unfinished, and half the map left unexplored. Yes folks, 25 hours for a DLC or the more fair and proper term an expansion.

It was longer than awakening. Typically awakening would take me 20 hours to finish on nightmare while doing everything possible.

Blood and Wine had a brilliant storyline, new beautiful region, a new city, lots of new quests, monsters, bosses, old characters, new characters, new gear, new weapons, new mechanics and multiple endings for the main quest.

This expansion is legitimately as long as the original mass effect if not more.

Will Bioware ever have the courage to do such a similar thing? Hakkon, descent and trespasser were not expansions but short DLCs. In fact it took me about the same time to finish all three of these dlc's on nightmare difficulty doing absolutely every single thing than it did for my first playthrough of BaW.

I sincerely hope Bioware takes a lesson here. A wonderful expansion to say MEA or DA4 is vastly preferable to small dlc's that ultimately leave us desiring it would be more.

[thats1evildude]

Yeah, but you still gotta play as Geralt. Given the choice between inserting bamboo slivers under my fingernails and spending 30 hours with Geralt, I'd book the plane ride to South Asia myself.

[Dutch's Ghost]

Yeah, but you still gotta play as Geralt. Given the choice between inserting bamboo splinters under my fingertips and spending 30 hours with Geralt, I'd book the plane ride to South Asia myself.

Geralt is vastly preferable to the inquisitor with his/her badly written dialogue and lack of...emotion.

[thats1evildude]

I couldn't tell. Geralt's awful Christian Bale-as-Batman snarl makes everything sound rather monotone.

[Dutch's Ghost]

I couldn't tell. Geralt's awful Christian Bale-as-Batman snarl makes everything sound rather monotone.

You know what's more awful? The corney British accent of the male VO.

[thats1evildude]

I think it's kind of charming. As opposed to Geralt, who is charmless and grating.

But y'know, that's the great thing about having multiple options. If you don't like one, you can pick another, rather than being trapped in the persona of a surly albino with a five-packs-of-smokes-a-day voice.

Incidentally, does one of the side quests in Blood & Wine have Geralt finally seek chemotherapy for his lung cancer?

[Dutch's Ghost]

I think it's kind of charming. As opposed to Geralt, who is charmless and grating.

I wonder how long it will take for the Biomilitants to derail my thread. You're making a great start of it.

[AresKeith]

I wonder how long it will take for the Biomilitants to derail my thread. You're making a great start of it.

 

You do it yourself all the time...

[midnight tea]

I wonder how long it will take for the Biomilitants to derail my thread. You're making a great start of it.

 

....Wow. That's some impressive lack of self-awareness. 

[The Hierophant]

After Trespasser wrapped up the story for DAI i see no point in making an expansion.

[midnight tea]

After Trespasser wrapped up the story for DAI i see no point in making an expansion.

 

... Not to mention that BW has three different games to develop now, which includes yet another Dragon Age chapter that David Gaider revealed in one of recent interviews will be either pretty much 2nd part of Inquisition or a close continuation of the story. Beats expansion any day of the week, considering that Witcher series has pretty definitely ended, so all they can do is release additional content for it.

 

Basically, CDPR can spend their time polishing Witcher, because so far it's the ONLY title they can put all their resources into - and Cyberpunk is years away from seeing light of the day.

 

In other words: different studio, different games, different franchises, different development cycles and focuses. As usual Dutch seems to have little to no understanding of such matters, or they're conveniently ignored.

[veeia]

I loved Awakenings, but I also think that because it was both meaty and optional, a lot of the interesting characters/content from it have been dropped. (This is particularly sad with regard to the Architect, since he could have played an interesting role in DA:I) It also would delay work on the next installment, and at this point, I'd prefer to move on. Also, I am fairly sure that the devs have talked about how it's not the most cost/resource efficient way for them to do it.

 

I'm not sure how any of that has to do with "courage", lmao. It's just what they choose to do.

[Knight of Dane]

Expansions are just usually a bad business deal. It shies away most casual players (as 'expansion' gives the impression that it's much longer apparently) but also because you can charge more for less in DLC.

 

I wish there was a more clearly defined difference. There was a bit of a mess with it surrounding Skyrim but they still pulled out Dragonborn which was huge. Awakening seems like a skin-pack compared to that and that was stil just a "dlc" and not a "expansion."

[Dutch's Ghost]

After Trespasser wrapped up the story for DAI i see no point in making an expansion.

I didn't say we need an expansion for DAI at the moment. DAI ended up flailing. Best to forget it and hope for the best with da4.

[thebigbad1013]

I don't see that it has anything to do with courage. They did it with Awakening and, if I remember correctly, they have said afterwards that it simply required too many resources to be worth it from a business standpoint.

[straykat]

I don't know why there wasn't an expansion here. I know why there wasn't for DA2 --- I blame the "fans" themselves. lol

 

I like the British VO actually.. but it sounded more unique in the early trailers. Kind of broody like Nathaniel.

 

[AlanC9]

What on earth does courage have to do with this?

[Andraste_Reborn]

Awakening cost too much to make and didn't sell enough. According to Mark Darrah it was "far too much work, and very expensive, as everything has to interact with the original game." I like it, too, but not enough people bought it and that's why there won't be another one.

 

What on earth does courage have to do with this?

 

I'm kind of glad that BioWare don't have the 'courage' to do things that they know would probably lose them money. That's how studios get shut down!

[straykat]

Awakening cost too much to make and didn't sell enough. According to Mark Darrah it was "far too much work, and very expensive, as everything has to interact with the original game." I like it, too, but not enough people bought it and that's why there won't be another one.

 

 

 

 

I'm kind of glad that BioWare don't have the 'courage' to do things that they know would probably lose them money. That's how studios get shut down!

 

Now if only they didn't spend so much on DAI itself. I bet it cost as much the Witcher 3 and Skyrim (80-90 million range) and didn't do as well.

[Abyss108]

They tried doing expansions. It didn't sell and lost them money. I would prefer Bioware not to get shut down, so I'd be happy with more Trespasser style DLCs.

 

(Also, what other people said about Geralt being terrible) 

[straykat]

I always hear how good Trespasser is... I still haven't played it. 

 

Someone even told me that they wish I could just play Trespasser... and maybe I'd start liking DAI more. lol

[Abyss108]

I always hear how good Trespasser is... I still haven't played it. 

 

Someone even told me that they wish I could just play Trespasser... and maybe I'd start liking DAI more. lol

 

 

Best piece of content Bioware has ever produced. Actually, probably the best 7 hours I've spent in any game over the last 23 years.

 

I've heard several people say they hated the main game, but Trespasser actually made them love the entire thing. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me (how exactly does new content made the old stuff better or worse...?), but that's what people say! 

[Totally Not a Poodle]

With the success of Blood and Wine, they might do. Reason for not doing any since Awakening is because it didn't do well. At the time, I don't believe things like expansions were all that common among console gaming. It cost a lot more than the usual downloadable content. Most people wouldn't have been as willing to part with the cost of half a game for what they might consider 'just a DLC'.

 

However, now that these things are all to familiar among the common 'gamer', I would not be surprised to hear that people are more willing to part with that amount of money. I think BioWare will at least look into doing expansions again. Whether or not they actually do do them is another matter. They might think that an expansion is not what would benefit the story they are telling.

 

Blood and Wine is, as far as I know because I keep getting an error when trying to start it, a seperate story to what the rest of the game is about. It's a different chapter in Geralt's life. Hearts of Stone was just a lengthy side-quest. Awakening was also another chapter in the Warden's life. BioWare might feel that that is not what they want to do with their additional content. I don't think it would be cowardly if they didn't produce an expansion now with Blood and Wine out.

[Totally Not a Poodle]

Best piece of content Bioware has ever produced. Actually, probably the best 7 hours I've spent in any game over the last 23 years.

 

I've heard several people say they hated the main game, but Trespasser actually made them love the entire thing. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me (how exactly does new content made the old stuff better or worse...?), but that's what people say! 

 

As a DLC, Trespasser was alright. I liked seeing more of the Qunari and all that. I didn't like the ending - really, why did the hand have to get cut off? And why wasn't their more shock value behind that?

 

It still hasn't changed my opinion of the base game. I still loath nearly everything about it.

[straykat]

Best piece of content Bioware has ever produced. Actually, probably the best 7 hours I've spent in any game over the last 23 years.

 

I've heard several people say they hated the main game, but Trespasser actually made them love the entire thing. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me (how exactly does new content made the old stuff better or worse...?), but that's what people say! 

 

Well... I can't even imagine it being that good. I'd be willing to accept that it's done well, within the confines of DA. I'm not even the biggest RPG gamer to begin with. The greatest game of the past 23 years for me was probably Super Metroid or something like that 

 

I just don't like the gameplay itself... so it'd be surprising if it actually won me over on sheer dialogue or something. I also dislike the entire concept of the Inquisition to boot. It's a meaningless umbrella organization with an open door policy to everything under the sun. It has nothing to do with "inquisition" archetypes. It's inclusive, rather than exclusive. It literally stands for nothing. And from what I can tell, Trespasser is having this bite the player back in the ass. Especially with Solas. I'm just paying for Bioware's mistakes and manufactured drama, in that case. Not my own.