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Fixing the Qunari


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#76
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The Qunari have it right. It's the rest of Thedas that needs to adapt.


Shok ebasit hissra. Meraad astaarit, meraad itwasit, aban aqun. Maraas shokra. Anaan esaam Qun.

(Struggle is an illusion. The tide rises, the tide falls, but the sea is changeless. There is nothing to struggle against. Victory is in the Qun.)

(Nevarra supporter at this time, but Qunari are interesting and hopefully not turned into mustache twirling villains in DA4. What would the magister maleficarum do if that happened?)
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Shok ebasit hissra. Meraad astaarit, meraad itwasit, aban aqun. Maraas shokra. Anaan esaam Qun.

(Struggle is an illusion. The tide rises, the tide falls, but the sea is changeless. There is nothing to struggle against. Victory is in the Qun.)

(Nevarra supporter at this time, but Qunari are interesting and hopefully not turned into mustache twirling villains in DA4. What would the magister maleficarum do if that happened?)

I'm hoping for more blood mage allies, so having the qunari fall into that role wouldn't be a huge problem.



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Now, how to fix Tevinter?

Easy, we get rid of the moustache twirling villains and bring more guys like Dorian... and make cows fly again.

 

 

I don't know, it seems like the Qun is so rooted into their lives that there's pretty much no other solution than to bring them down in the only language they seem to understand; violence. The Evanuris also thought they were great and their might was right but blood magic and inner strife brought elven society to their rightful place, so doing the same to Par Vollen shouldn't be much harder to the people that have survived five blights.

 

We see it in Iron Bull's quest and in dialogues with a qunari inquisitor, the Qun has no understanding of the individual needs of its members and no tolerance for foreign ideas or concepts like friendship and love... These people renounced to their "humanity" in order to achieve purity, so let them have it and kill them like mad dogs. There's no value in a peace that is enforced by slavery of thought.



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I think the Qunari just needs to make membership within their society optional. I know it's not possible since the core of their religion is that everyone not like them is a "thing" that need to be enlightened by joining them, and they'll force you to join whether you want to or not, even if they have to brainwash you with poisonous gas... but it's fun to speculate.

 

I think the Qunari have a lot going for them. They have a society where there's no joblessness, homelessness, or poverty since everyone has a place and they find you a place if they don't have one. If you're physically or mentally disabled, they'll provide assisted living; they treat all races equally; they don't consider some jobs or people "more important" than others (unlike Thedas' aristocracy, where they believe only some people matter); everyone has a basic living wage and food on the table; and if you're really unhappy where you are, they'll usually let you switch jobs within limits. To much of Thedas' impoverished and enslaved (and elven) population, the Qunari seem like a better deal than blatant oppression (like slavery) or inescapable poverty.

 

Honestly, if I lived in Thedas without magic and wasn't an elf, I'd actively seek the Qunari out, because a society where I'm pretty much guaranteed food, shelter, and a job suited to me in a world where most of the population does backbreaking labor for scraps or starves doesn't sound fun.

 

My problem is that they try to force everyone to join their system whether they will it or not, and try to force them to conform if they're not happy within it. That's not okay. Their horrendous treatment of mages and their expectation that everyone has to abandon all their previous religious and cultural views and practices (like elves), also isn't okay. If the Qunari just stopped trying to forcibly convert their neighbors, didn't attack anyone who tried to leave, allowed converts to keep some of their old cultural views (like elves), and weren't so heinous to their mages, they'd be pleasant neighbors to everyone like they are to the Rivaini, and probably be seen as a better deal to overworked serfs, slaves, and other oppressed classes in medieval monarchies. As they are, though? By constantly attacking and trying to forcefully convert everyone, their neighbors fear and hate them, and their citizens resent their constant oppression.



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the Qun has no understanding of the individual needs of its members and no tolerance for foreign ideas or concepts like friendship and love... These people renounced to their "humanity" in order to achieve purity, so let them have it and kill them like mad dogs. There's no value in a peace that is enforced by slavery of thought.

Qunari answer:
Why, why? Why do you do it? Why, why get up? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you're fighting... for something? For more than your survival? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know? Is it freedom? Or truth? Perhaps peace? Could it be for love? Illusions Vagaries of perception. Temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose. And all of them as artificial as the world itself, although... only a human mind could invent something as insipid as love. You must be able to see it, You must know it by now. You can't win. It's pointless to keep fighting. Why,? Why? Why do you persist?

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I think the Qunari just needs to make membership within their society optional.

 

Hehe, "just". That idea barely exists in any real sense even today. The problem is that allowing others to define themselves by your philosophy on their own terms is impossible to wrap your mind around without also redefining that philosophy to some extent, and for fundamentalists this inevitably means redefining themselves, one of the hardest and scariest tasks to put to any person. Especially when they're the ones being asked to rearrange their identities and worldviews as if it's anywhere near as important to you as it is to them.

 

There's a reason that nearly every cultural revolution in human history has essentially been a power struggle. Sometimes no amount of convincing or reason will bridge a gap, and your only choices are to violently force a resolution and hope that future generations will feel good about it, find a strong enough position that you can just wait for the opposition to gradually phase out or wait for outside circumstances to render the conflict moot. Societies don't just reinvent themselves naturally.



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Eh, things are always changing. The Circle, Grey Wardens, gryphons, the elves, Chantry teachings on the Maker (from Origins to Inquisition), and so on.

ment fan suggestions writers have final say where fans honestly shouldn't

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I really like the posters arguing from the view of the Qunari. While I don't care for the Qun, I like it's challenge to Thedosian culture and the things they value or take for granted.

If one says love is willing the good for the other, then the Qunari are all about love, because they view the Qun as the ultimate good and Truth. Relationships, like friends and neighbors, exist. Families? It's one big family. Romance? Is such a thing necessary? Why devote so much love to one person when you can love everyone? (Going with previous definition.)

I like having the Qunari in game.
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