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Sandal, Agent of Fen'Harel?


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Ok, I know the thread title makes this seem like a crackpot conspiracy but stick with me.

 

From Trespasser we know that Solas obviously has and had elven agents operating in Thedas even before he woke up. There were obvious agents who had survived the sundering of the veil and fall of Arlathan like Felassan and Abelas and there seem to be normal, everyday Dalish and city elven agents in mainstream Thedosian society as per Trespasser and the epilogue slides. 

 

Sandal is a dwarf. But he is pure dwarf? There's certain dialogue in Legacy between members of the Carta talking about Sandal in his capacity as Hawke's servant. The carta members note that he looks like King Endrin Aeducan's bastard who ran off at a young age. They also note that said bastard's mother was an elven mistress of Endrin's. (Just realized this makes Sandal's the dwarf noble warden's half brother, which is kind of awesome.) And we know that the offspring of elves who mate with human or dwarves will themselves look human or dwarf respectively. 

 

Anyway, in both Origins and DA2 we walk in on Sandal presumably right after he obliterated hordes of darkspawn by himself. As per usual, he simply says "enhanctment" but it's hard to see how "enhchantment" and runecraft alone can save him from he darkspawn hordes. And even though he does things like freeze entire ogres in a giant block of ice, we know dwarves can't be mages. But what about half dwarves? Maybe not, but what about half dwaves-half elves who are under the guidance and influence of Fen'Harel?

 

As we saw throughout Inquistion, Solas is a sneaky, utilitarian bastard, so I posit that Sandal's mother was an agent of Fen'Harel and produced Sandal, a seeming halfwit savant, to be one of his agents while he was still asleep but getting close to waking up. It was the influence of Fen'Harel that made Sandal run off into the Deep Roads and find Bodhan, whom was unwittingly influenced by his adopted son under Fen'Harel's direction.

 

Although Bodhan is likely unaware of it, I believe that Sandal (under Fen'Harel's influence) engineered their meeting with the warden and Hawke. We know that Flemythal has the capacity to foresee certain events like the Blight and her (possible) eventual "death" at the warden's hands and uses the warden and Hawke for her own purposes (stopping the Blight and her resurrection respectively). She also plants Morrigan with the Warden to guide him/her. I would suspect that two ancient elven "gods" operate similarly as they try to influence the simpering, "tranquilized" mortals of post-veil Thedas. Likewise, I'm sure Solas also has the foresight, or at least the fade visions, to know that the Warden and Hawke will be important to the future of Thedas. Or at the very least, recongize Flemythal's interest in them. However, we know from Inquistion/Trespasser that Solas prefers to do this sort of thing covertly, and what better eyes and ears  than a halfwit dwarf savant who can only say "enchantment" that both protagonists seemed to meet by chance. That way Solas has eyes and ears with these two protagonists that can't be traced back to an ancient mythic trickster god -- even by someone like Merrill or a Dalish warden. 

 

We get even more explicit connections between Sandal and Solas in DA2. There is of course Sandal's easter egg prophecy, which seems to be about Corypheus at first glance but is more likely about Solas:

 

"Sandal: One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide.
Bodahn: Huh. What's this?
Sandal: When he rises, everyone will see.
Bodahn: By the ancestors, what's gotten into you, my boy?
Sandal: Enchantment?
Bodahn: Hmph. That's more like it."

 

How exactly does our beloved, unassuming halfwit savant know so much about the real Dread Wolf exactly? Hmmmmm. 

 

Also in DA 2, Sandal may mention the fact that a scary woman stands over his bed while he sleeps. It's heavily implied that this is Flemythal. If she suspects that he's an agent of Fen'Heral, it makes sense that she would take such a creepy interest in our beloved enchanter.

 

Obviously Solas did not have to place Sandal with the Inquisition in DA:I because he ends up there himself. As such, where better to put him than in Celene's imperial court, the heart of one of Thedas's two great empires, in a position of high esteem with constant access to Thedosian elites? As Solas says at the Winter Palace, always pay attention to the servants. (If only the Inquisitor had heeded this advice in Trespasser). 

 

I mean....ENCHANTMENT! 


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Ehhhhh....i'm still more prone to investing myself in the "Sandal is connected to a Titan" theory. Or the "Sandal is closer to an ancient dwarf" theory. Or "Sandal was/is Flemeth's tool" theory. Or "Sandal is the dwarven version of a magically dormant Sera" theory. Or...just about any other theory that views Sandal's existence/abilities more along the lines of chance.

 

The idea that Solas concocted the plan for a magey dwarf--even going so far as plan for his very conception/childhood--seems exceedingly far fetched. There is little reason to 'plan' for the development of someone like Sandal for the explicit reason of interacting (directly or otherwise) with the Warden/Hawke. The same result could have been achieved by using one of his other agents, or a third party mercenary, or anyone that would not cause suspicion. I'm sure a dwarf/qunari/human could have been acquired to get the same result under any number of pretenses that he wished to conjure.

 

In other words, I do not see a reason why, in your particular theory, why Sandal would be chosen for such an assignment.

 

You might be on to something with his magey abilities though.


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I do thing Sandal is the half elf bastard son of the king, that explains his abilities better. He says "Not magic." but is that simply what he calls his own magic because he learned that dwarves can't have magic and, if you have it, you go to the circle.

 

Maybe Sandal was possessed by a spirit very young to keep him alive and that's whew he gets his abilities beyond enchantment. I don't know but, i don't think he has anything to do with Solas save being aware that he will rise and destroy the veil, but that could be just because he don't know he isn't supposed to hear spirits/the maker/gods whomever talk to him.



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I think the best theory to date is that Sandal is in some way connected with the Titans but through them he could also well be connected to Flemeth/Mythal.    The section on finding Sandal in World of Thedas 2, suggests he was far too far down in the Deep Roads to have simply been the bastard child of an Aeducan who had been abandoned/got lost, unless that child had been possessed by a spirit which kept him alive.  That would explain his mysterious powers of "not Enchantment" that he sometimes displays.    Whatever the case, he may well be that rarity, a dwarf that dreams and that in itself might link him to Mythal, based on the writings in Trespasser in the Deep Roads.   Flemeth would definitely seem to be the scary lady that was watching him as he slept.

 

Before DAI and Trespasser many people thought his prophesy related to the OGB, even though not everyone did the Dark Ritual.

 

However, he hasn't been the only one to come up with something that looks very close to what Solas is proposing.   Try reading the Canticle of Exaltations by Emperor Drakon to see what I mean.    So Sandal could be referring to Solas or the Maker.     Solas could inadvertently be doing the Maker's will, assuming of course that you still have belief in the Maker after all the revelations thus far.  



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Why does everyone see Sandal as some big figure?
In DAO  he had to be the vendor guy right before the boss encounter,from there I'm not sure why the fan base(and apprently the developers) made him into an uber something.


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Why does everyone see Sandal as some big figure?
In DAO  he had to be the vendor guy right before the boss encounter,from there I'm not sure why the fan base(and apprently the developers) made him into an uber something.

 

Because Bioware decided to keep hyping him up like that throughout the course of DA2 and its DLC.

 

ETA: Interesting that Sandal has an entry in WOT2. I'll have to read it just for that. :P

 

ETA2: I also just realized that if Sandal is actually a mage or "magey" then how can he safely use lyrium for enchantment? I thought mages were more susceptible to that sort of thing, that's why the used the tranquil for enchantment? 



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I doubt Solas uses Sandal as a source: Solas despises non-elves. 



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I doubt Solas uses Sandal as a source: Solas despises non-elves. 

 

Not true, Solas "despises" anyone who isn't a spirit or who came after he tore down the Veil. And yes, that includes modern elves. So basically 98% of the population of Thedas. And despise really isn't the right word, he just doesn't view them as actual sentient people, much the same way that most people in Thedas view the Tranquil. However, his mindset changes if he has high approval with the inquisitor anyway. Plus Sandal is likely half elf anyway. 



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His mind set doesn't change that much.   Despite respecting the Inquisitor and realising that modern people do have their merits, that still doesn't deflect him from his plan that will result in their death and the death of everyone they care about.   In a way that makes it worse; at least before the Inquisition he didn't realise modern people had merits.   

 

As for Sandal, I doubt he's actually a mage, just not your regular dwarf.    As for the lyrium thing; well all the mages in our party should have been bleeding from their eyeballs down in the region of the Titan in the Descent but apparently lyrium no longer seems to have that effect on them.    It's pretty much the same with red lyrium.   Formerly even a little piece of it was enough to send the possessor mad and using it as part of a weapon was definitely not a good idea.   Now not only is it sprouting all over Thedas without any apparent effect on the locals but Dagna is making weaponry for us with it as a component.    Mind you Sandal was able to safely transform the red lyrium shard into a rune so he seems immune to it in all its forms.



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I find the theories that Sandal is close to a Titan, or "possessed" by a spirit more likely.
He could also be a half-dwarf and his magic could come from his human genes.

I don't think Solas would go as far as having people concieve a child for his purposes, but I don't see why he couldn't meet Sandal in the fade or in Thedas and ask him to do work for him.
I don't think this is the reason why the Warden and Hawke have met Sandal, though. I think it's something that could have happened during the events of Trespasser.



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This just makes me want Sandal back even more! (I didn't think that was possible) I do believe he is the bastard half brother of the noble dwarf HoF, and I think as a simple child he may have found the guardian and been made an agent of the sleeping Titan like Valta. The Sandal prophecy I think is talking about Solas and the scary woman watching him sleep was Flemmythal. 

But the Devs could take a massive u-turn and make him an Evanuris (June), honestly who knows?; I don't care which route they take only that they bring our Sandal back! especially if the rumours are true this will be the last DA game. I would be hugely disappointed if they end the story without explaining who or what he is to the DA verse.

 

And as to his being June, I can see the prison Solas created for the Evanuris was falling apart (I mean look who created it) and a fragment of June's soul being taken into a simple vessel. An unrelated question does anyone think the prison for the Evanuris is infact the inert Titan killed by Mythal?



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[...] especially if the rumours are true this will be the last DA game. [...]

 

Wait! What?!? :wacko:

Heh, I do agree with you, if this is really the last DA game, it would be great to see Sandal again and let him (and us) have some closure.



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There is something ancient about Sandal in the very least. As I found his journal while traveling the crossroads...... Is he an agent? Maybe....... Maybe not. But there is definitely something ancient about him..... I hope we hear more about him as well.



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I doubt it, but it would be funny if that were so though.



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Wait! What?!? :wacko:

Heh, I do agree with you, if this is really the last DA game, it would be great to see Sandal again and let him (and us) have some closure.

 

I don't know where these rumors are coming from. Bioware has repeatedly said they at least have a 5 game plan, possibly more with the recent revelations that Inquisition and Trespasser didn't even cover the full scope of plot that Bioware wanted to get through. The only way they stop churning out the franchise is if it becomes unprofitable. 



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My perception originally was that he's got some kind of legit clairvoyance abilities rather than he's anyone's agent.  He's a dwarf with magic that's for sure, which is an anomaly, but beyond that I'm inclined to believe the explanation is simple. Either he's just born that way, or is the product of an experiment or a magical accident or, at most, connected to the ancient dwarves in some fortuitous way.



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Ehhhhh....i'm still more prone to investing myself in the "Sandal is connected to a Titan" theory. Or the "Sandal is closer to an ancient dwarf" theory. Or "Sandal was/is Flemeth's tool" theory. Or "Sandal is the dwarven version of a magically dormant Sera" theory. Or...just about any other theory that views Sandal's existence/abilities more along the lines of chance.

 

The idea that Solas concocted the plan for a magey dwarf--even going so far as plan for his very conception/childhood--seems exceedingly far fetched. There is little reason to 'plan' for the development of someone like Sandal for the explicit reason of interacting (directly or otherwise) with the Warden/Hawke. The same result could have been achieved by using one of his other agents, or a third party mercenary, or anyone that would not cause suspicion. I'm sure a dwarf/qunari/human could have been acquired to get the same result under any number of pretenses that he wished to conjure.

 

In other words, I do not see a reason why, in your particular theory, why Sandal would be chosen for such an assignment.

 

You might be on to something with his magey abilities though.

 

Arranging a conception is not far from the story of King Arthur, Merlin making it possible for Uther to bed the wife of his enemy and seeing that he would bear Arthur. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly. The Author story-line also lent heavy into the DA codex. 


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