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[JaffaRanger]

So I'm having some issues deciding who to romance with what race/class/romance combinations, mainly because some of your companions end up getting together like in ME3 with Garrus and Tali. I don't want anyone left alone, including my Quizzy. The pairs that I know of are Dorian/Iron Bull, Sera/Dagna, and Josephine/Blackwall (for a little while) I romanced Solas one time with my elf rogue, and I ended up hating him. I think my Quizzy deserves to be happy and stuff. I've played all through Trespasser with said elf rogue who promised to stop Solas at any costs, but I didn't get a lot out of the romance to be honest. Maybe it was because I didn't like Solas' character all that much, or maybe it was because I didn't like MINE. The Dalish always annoyed me, and I was bummed about there not being a city elf option. I do think Dalish elves get the most out of the story, however. But, I have to agree with Sera, I don't like things getting too elfy. I also played through with a female human Mage who romanced Cullen, but I think his romance is a little too sweet, if that makes any sense. I don't think Cullen is my type. I was thinking about having a Qunari female Mage romance Sera. I adore Sera because she is realistic and down-to-earth. She's a good addition to have in the midst of all this weird Fade stuff. Does being a Qunari impact the story much? I want to do what's best for Thedas, but will they accept a Qunari Mage as an authority? What was your Inquisitor like? Who did they romance and what class were they? How did it affect your world?

[Big I]

Does being a Qunari impact the story much? I want to do what's best for Thedas, but will they accept a Qunari Mage as an authority?

 

Qunari mage starts out with the lowest court approval during the Winter Palace (either because of the race/class combination or because all qunari start that low, I'm unsure), but getting max approval is still pretty easy so it's not a big deal.

 

There's the usual reactivity to race/class; different war table missions, different conversation with Josephine about background, different story during Varric's card game, etc.

 

I think it might be harder to romance Cassandra as a qunari? My experience was that where you had an option to flirt with her, that would only give a "Slightly approves" versus choosing a non-flirt positive option delivering an "Approves". That could just be Cassandra's romance though, I've only played as qunari. I thought it would be amusing to romance her as a qunari Necromancer but never did becasue I like KE too much.

 

There's some limited unique dialogue with Iron Bull about being qunari/Tal Vashoth.

 

It's much easier to romance Sera as a female qunari, because Sera has a "thing" for qunari women.
 

Apart from that, it's no different than if the Inquisitor is an elf or dwarf. No one refuses to accept you because of race or class.

[nightscrawl]

Other people getting together shouldn't affect your choice of LI. If you start and complete the romance, that other connection never exists in that play.

 

As for your main question, the race and class doesn't really have a great impact on the game. The only difference is in how YOU perceive the plot connections. Some people will say that an elf who romances Solas is the best for story reasons, but that is for them alone. If you have no interest in elfy stuff, that wouldn't really apply to you, would it? So don't rely too heavily on what other people say is "the best."

 

The game, particularly the beginning, is built around the idea that your character is the Herald of Andraste. Regardless of what you say, or if you reject the title and role, you can't control what other people think. This mentality overrides every other consideration for those people, so it does not matter if you are a human, an elf, a qunari, a dwarf, or whether you are a mage or non-mage.

 

Your origin will provide some limited unique dialogue options, but that's all. The thing that has the most impact, as that is the overarching theme of the game, is whether your Inquisitor is Andrastian and is faithful. There are some additional lines of dialogue for those Inquisitors as well. But again, it's more about what other people think you are, not what you proclaim yourself to be.

 

I happen to think that the human mage has the best reason for being at the Conclave, as they were a part of the Circle system, but that is such a minor consideration compared to the rest of the game that it's almost not worth mentioning. But that's just for me. You may feel differently, or that the reason for being at the Conclave doesn't matter.

 

To your other issue, Sera does like the larger qunari ladies and has some lines regarding that, but it doesn't dramatically alter the flavor of the romance. Keep in mind that although she does like them, just as Dorian likes burly men, that is not an overriding factor for them, the nature of your Inquisitor is what matters most. The same is true for most of the romances; there may be one or two lines that reference your origin, but it is mostly the same across origins.

 

 

Since you asked, I have a male human warrior that romanced Dorian. My canon plays are typically mages, and I went with warrior in this case largely for aesthetic reasons (I don't like how the human male is so bulky as a mage), but as I've gone on I grew to appreciate the non-mage status, particularly the warrior. Everything about him being a warrior is a part of my headcanon, so it's now difficult to think of him as anything else.

 

As for how the class and race relate to my romance choice, I like the idea of Dorian and my guy being more or less peers. They are both human nobles that have lived a life of privilege. Even the Trevelyan mage has spent a good chunk of their life in the Circle system, so I don't think the experience is the same.

[vertigomez]

10/10 would recommend Sera and a female qunari mage. It's the best of both worlds. She's wildly attracted to you and there's the mage issue for flavor. (Plus Adaar means "fire-thrower", which is especially on-point for a mage!) Sera's romance is spectacular in general, though. I find it difficult to go for anyone else.

Personally, I enjoyed playing a qunari for precisely the reason that others don't: they're an outsider, not as invested in Andrastianism, ancient elves, or the lyrium trade/ancient dwarves as the other races might be. It lets you develop a unique perspective as a person who was truly just in the wrong place at the wrong time (or the right place at the right time?). Multiple races in general aren't as integrated in the story as I would have liked, but it didn't really detract from my roleplaying. People assuming that you're 'savage', or little better than an animal, or otherwise out to get them makes it all the more satisfying when you save their butts.

Cullen's not my type either, but from what I can tell his romance was very well done. He'll only romance elves and humans, though.

[Waving_Dolphin]

Sera's romance is amazing. Most people prefer to go with qunari, but I romanced her with a dwarf and I only have good things to say about the whole experience.

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

Sera's romance is amazing. Most people prefer to go with qunari, but I romanced her with a dwarf and I only have good things to say about the whole experience.

I came in here to say this! I won't lie -- dwarves are my favorite race but i feel the dwarf X Sera romance is over looked. Yes, Sera is very attracted to Qunari but she thinks dwarves are adorable and she basically fan girls over your cuteness! I love it. My warrior Dwarf and Sera romance is easily my second favorite play through of my many in DAI.

[nightscrawl]

I came in here to say this! I won't lie -- dwarves are my favorite race but i feel the dwarf X Sera romance is over looked. Yes, Sera is very attracted to Qunari but she thinks dwarves are adorable and she basically fan girls over your cuteness! I love it. My warrior Dwarf and Sera romance is easily my second favorite play through of my many in DAI.

 

Plus, she ends up with a dwarf (Dagna) if you don't romance her, so it's not like she's just settling for a non-Qunari Inquisitor, or something.

 

This is by far my favorite NPC pairing of any game. I actually wish there were something about this is the main game, maybe seeing Sera in the Undercroft distracting Dagna on some occasion. Damn that would have been adorable.

 

You don't actually need Dagna to craft anything for you, aside from the very rare occasions that you find a special item, so I don't think that such a scene would be a terrible inconvenience, especially if saved for post-Mythal when most follower content is locked out (and thus the possibility of any romance).

[veeia]

I did the Sera romance with a Qunari mage and loved it, but I think she'd be great with any race besides elf, tbh. I'd echo the people above in saying that dwarf also seems like a really satisfying option. And I know people who have done Lavellan with Sera and loved it but you can't play as a very elfy elf if you do it, which is not my preferred playstyle but sounds like it could work for you. Sera's romance is fantastic though. It's fun and imo, feels like the most...interactive? Because her romance quest has everyone commenting on it, and Sera is always updating her journal with things about you, etc. So hers doesn't touch the main plot quite as much as others, but it still has a lot to offer in connecting things.

 

If you do play as a Qunari (or dwarf) expect to feel frustrated occasionally when you find places where it seems like there should be alternate options for you, particularly when interacting with characters of the same race as you (ie Iron Bull, Varric, Bianca)  but there aren't. Honestly though, if you've played as Lavellan, you probably already know about that, lmao.

 

As for playing an Adaar or Cadash and the main story, that's up to you.  The large story portions involve humans and elves more, but I don't think that makes them more meaningful races to play or that they get more. Outsiders perspective is valuable and everyone has drive to follow through given the stakes and their position as the only one who can do certain things, but I also think there's a lot going on for Cadash and Adaar specifically that can make them compelling.

 

When I play Cadash, I tend to focus more on the Inquisitor's background as a criminal and the fact that their perspective is largely informed by the lyrium trade. So you can develop all kinds of arcs there. Were they forced into the Carta because they had no other options and regretted their involvement in such an organization, and this is a chance for them to turn things around and do good? Was the Carta a good fit for them because they have a clever, opportunistic mind and they might use their time in the Inquisition to further those kinds of agendas (which also allows for an interesting arc if their time there leads them to because more altruistic)?  What kind of contact have they had with mages and templars, and how might that inform how they view the war? For someone whose livelihood has depended on lyrium, red lyrium and Corypheus are huge threats.  I also think everything to do with the Fade and magic to be interesting to deal with with dwarves, because while you Cadash might have a lot of knowledge and interest in that area, they're also essentially forced to rely on other people's experiences. For that reason, I really enjoyed exploring my dwarven characters relationships with Solas and Cole.

 

Even though they are surface dwarves, you can have the option of telling Josephine that you've been to Orzammar hundreds of times, so such a Cadash might find the ruler in Orzammar's political position influential. For example, I had a dwarf who I headcanoned as hating Harrowmont, so his support of Gaspard figured into his decision to crown Celene. The casteless system and their relationship with dwarven exile also might factor in to how they relate to city and Dalish elves.

 

As for romances with dwarves, I've done Blackwall, Dorian, and Cassandra. Dorian and Blackwall felt like they had more race specific relevancy to me, because the special dialogue with them is related more to backgrounds. Blackwall and Cadash share a criminal past, which is referenced (but annoyingly dropped after his personal quest) and Dorian is very accepting of dwarves, finding that countries outside of Tevinter have a too limited view on what they're capable of. But that didn't make Cassandra's romance less satisfying for me either, tbh.

 

When I played as qunari, I had less to pull from there, which means it was more of an outsiders perspective. I enjoyed playing as qunari mage specifically, because I felt like the stakes were very high for her. Basically everywhere she went in Thedas she was regarded as a savage, a lot of people feared her as a mage, and she knew that there was no option for her with the Qun. So she had a lot stacked up against her and a huge drive to prove herself. The question "would they accept a Qunari Mage's authority" was kind of the driving force there for her, and ultimately, she proved herself enough that I felt it was earned. (In addition to the main story line events, with her, I spent time doing the quests where she helped establish stability in the regions and I also had her work hard to gain full court approval at the Winter Palace.)

 

I loved Sera's romance with her because for the first six hours of the game, everyone reacted to her with indifference, increduility, or flat out disgust, and Sera came in and was like DANG, GIRL. I LIKE WHAT I SEE, lmao. Plus with all the pressure on her, Sera's romance with its smaller conflicts and silliness felt like a nice relief. The only romance it seems like would disappointing with mage Adaar is Iron Bull, because while I haven't played it, I felt disappointed in general with my mage Adaar's interactions with IB. Josie might be a cool romance for mage Adaar too, especially if you want to explore them being accepted in the larger culture.

 

I also felt like because she was a mage, but not a circle mage or dalish, she had a unique position in the world. For example, she opted to go after the Templars instead of going to meet with Fiona because she had no real feelings of solidarity there, but she did disband them at the end. I've spent less time thinking about possible complications and motivations in Adaar's story because I have played several Cadash characters and dwarves are my favorite, but I think there's a lot of ways you could approach what it means going from a mercenary to a leader of an Institution, or what political views Adaar would hold, or how they would approach the situations in the game.

 

This is a lot of text to say that I think Adaar and Cadash can actually end up being really rewarding because they require you to consider their motivations a little more since it's not as immediately obvious where their allegiances might lie. So while the Well of Sorrows/Solas/etc might not be as immediately relevant to them as it is Lavellan, there are a lot of other areas in the game where their background can lead to really interesting considerations.

[frogkisser]

Other people getting together shouldn't affect your choice of LI. If you start and complete the romance, that other connection never exists in that play.

 

As for your main question, the race and class doesn't really have a great impact on the game. The only difference is in how YOU perceive the plot connections. Some people will say that an elf who romances Solas is the best for story reasons, but that is for them alone. If you have no interest in elfy stuff, that wouldn't really apply to you, would it? So don't rely too heavily on what other people say is "the best."

 

The game, particularly the beginning, is built around the idea that your character is the Herald of Andraste. Regardless of what you say, or if you reject the title and role, you can't control what other people think. This mentality overrides every other consideration for those people, so it does not matter if you are a human, an elf, a qunari, a dwarf, or whether you are a mage or non-mage.

 

Your origin will provide some limited unique dialogue options, but that's all. The thing that has the most impact, as that is the overarching theme of the game, is whether your Inquisitor is Andrastian and is faithful. There are some additional lines of dialogue for those Inquisitors as well. But again, it's more about what other people think you are, not what you proclaim yourself to be.

 

I happen to think that the human mage has the best reason for being at the Conclave, as they were a part of the Circle system, but that is such a minor consideration compared to the rest of the game that it's almost not worth mentioning. But that's just for me. You may feel differently, or that the reason for being at the Conclave doesn't matter.

 

To your other issue, Sera does like the larger qunari ladies and has some lines regarding that, but it doesn't dramatically alter the flavor of the romance. Keep in mind that although she does like them, just as Dorian likes burly men, that is not an overriding factor for them, the nature of your Inquisitor is what matters most. The same is true for most of the romances; there may be one or two lines that reference your origin, but it is mostly the same across origins.

 

 

Since you asked, I have a male human warrior that romanced Dorian. My canon plays are typically mages, and I went with warrior in this case largely for aesthetic reasons (I don't like how the human male is so bulky as a mage), but as I've gone on I grew to appreciate the non-mage status, particularly the warrior. Everything about him being a warrior is a part of my headcanon, so it's now difficult to think of him as anything else.

 

As for how the class and race relate to my romance choice, I like the idea of Dorian and my guy being more or less peers. They are both human nobles that have lived a life of privilege. Even the Trevelyan mage has spent a good chunk of their life in the Circle system, so I don't think the experience is the same.

 

 

This is well-written and definitely helped me out today when I was wondering whether my canon was 'good', as ridiculous as that sounds. It's interesting to read about people's favorite Inquisitor but also sometimes jarring to realize that mages and elves are the most popular, and then wondering if I'm somehow playing wrong if my favorite Inquisitor is not the same as their's. 

 

I, as probably many other players, tried going for the 'underdog' classes, i.e. any mage or non-human. While they *do* have some more relevance to certain parts of the story, I really weirdly and unexpectedly appreciated my most recent playthrough as a human rogue the most. Not just because combat was fun, but because in a weird way, it's nice to be 'normal'. When 3/4 of race options are the non-normal type, it made me realize that the least special class is technically the most unique - in terms of who the Inquisitor could be, not in terms of Thedosian demographics. 

 

It took playing through an origin that I originally thought was very boring, but to be honest now I feel it's very much overlooked. Being human and non-mage and thus belonging to the majority makes the Inquisitor's other talents stand out that much more, if roleplaying / headcannoning - combat prowess for example isn't just the result of an innate ability.  I like what you say about characters being peers. It's almost nice to be able to ignore everything that makes most protagonists special (class, race) and be equals as people, as who they are, not what they are.

 

Just my two cents. 

[Ghost Gal]

Maybe it was because I didn't like Solas' character all that much, or maybe it was because I didn't like MINE. The Dalish always annoyed me, and I was bummed about there not being a city elf option. I do think Dalish elves get the most out of the story, however. But, I have to agree with Sera, I don't like things getting too elfy. 

 

Yet another example of someone who only likes city elves because they're "human-lite."

 

I was thinking about having a Qunari female Mage romance Sera. I adore Sera because she is realistic and down-to-earth. She's a good addition to have in the midst of all this weird Fade stuff. Does being a Qunari impact the story much? I want to do what's best for Thedas, but will they accept a Qunari Mage as an authority?

 

Yes they do, otherwise the devs wouldn't  have included Qunari as an option.

 

I say this because I know they have cut game options when they felt it didn't make sense for the world they created. Originally they were going to include an option for the Inquisitor to become Divine at the end, but after they added race selection they had a harder and harder time justifying Thedas accepting a male, a mage, and a non-human as Divine. By the time they got to the idea of a male Qunari Mage, they realized they couldn't logically justify it, so they scratched the whole Divine thing instead of only allowing some Inquisitors to become Divine (like they did with the King/Queen of Ferelden in DAO, where only the Maker's Favorite Human Noble could become King/Queen and the rest were SOL) or doing mental contortions to justify Thedas accepting a Qunari Mage as their Divine when they wouldn't believably do so.

 

So in terms of Thedas accepting a Qunari Mage authority, the devs wouldn't have included it if it didn't make sense. Thedas would accept a Qunari Mage as Inquisitor, even if they draw the line at accepting one as Fantasy Pope.

 

As for Sera, she loves Qunari women and doesn't mind mages as long as they "sit on their hands," so she'll love your Qunari Mage.

 

What was your Inquisitor like? Who did they romance and what class were they? How did it affect your world?

 

Mine was everything this forum hates: a female mage elf who loves everything elfy, loves Solas, and wants to restore her people.

 

I've played every non-human race and class combination and several romances this game, and it remains my favorite playthrough. I enjoy the elven worldview better than any others. I like how the elves are fantasy Jew/Gypsies in a world of Fantasy Medieval Christians, and how they strive to retain their culture and identity in a world that wants to oppress, convert, and assimilate them.

 

I like Solas because I like how calm, intelligent, and thoughtful he is, and I like that he doesn't just regurgitate the same Andrastian or Qunari worldviews we've heard from countless other companions and Sten. After three games of the same thing, Solas actually had something different to reveal about the world of Thedas (the Fade not always being scary, spirits not always being either benevolent spirits or power-hungry demons, the possibility for restoring demons to spirits, etc), and I enjoyed how calm and cerebral he was. 

 

I definitely enjoyed exploring elven areas, talking to elven NPCs, learning about elven history, etc. as an elf who has a vested interest in this topic. I enjoy the (sadly) unspoken rivalry with Tevinter characters, their people's history with the Andrastian religion, and much more. I find it so rich as an elf; I wish I enjoyed the game as a dwarf or vashoth as much, but sadly I just don't.

[frogkisser]

Yet another example of someone who only likes city elves because they're "human-lite."

 

 

What?....That's like saying that someone only likes Carta / surface dwarves because they're "human-lite" and not true Orzammar dwarves.  Not liking Orzammar dwarves or the Dalish because they're too close to their cultures and preferring other subsets of the race is a perfectly legitimate reason. City elves and surface dwarves have their own cultures that're completely unique from the Dalish, Orzammar, or humans for that matter. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

My favorite playthrough was with a Male Dalish Elf Archer Rogue who romanced Josephine.

 

The best way to describe him is that he is a lot like Ameridan, minus the magic:- He did what he had to do because it was the sensible thing to do and he wished for peace between Elves and Humans. Here are some of the things he did:-

• Made Clan Lavellan rulers of Wycome.
• Conscripted the Templar Order.
• Reunited Celene & Briala and had Gaspard executed.
• Allowed Grey Wardens to join the Inquisition.
• Encouraged Cullen to cure himself of Lyrium addiction.
• Encouraged Cassandra to reform the Seekers.
• Made Leliana Divine Victoria.
• Destroyed the House of Repose's contract.

In the end, we have a Southern Thedas where:-

• Elves and Humans are getting along, with some Elves gaining legitimacy as rulers (hey look at that Solas, I achieved this without needing to bring about an apocalypse !).
• No more Lyrium addicts kept under a leash to protect people from magical threats, that is left to reformed Seekers. 
• Mages gain their freedom without relying on moronic rebels who would sell mages out to be slaves under Tevinter.
• Wardens finally interact more with common folk and help them out instead of being reclusive.

My Inquisitor saw Sera as a childish prankster and became disillusioned by Ancient Elves after Temple of Mythal. As for Solas, he feels betrayed by him because he considered Solas to be a good friend of his, only to learn that his good friend now wants to tear down the Veil, killing lots of people including Elves to achieve a world state where 8 mages (Evanuris) were able to enslave the entire population of Elves.

[nightscrawl]

What?....That's like saying that someone only likes Carta / surface dwarves because they're "human-lite" and not true Orzammar dwarves.  Not liking Orzammar dwarves or the Dalish because they're too close to their cultures and preferring other subsets of the race is a perfectly legitimate reason. City elves and surface dwarves have their own cultures that're completely unique from the Dalish, Orzammar, or humans for that matter. 

 

In addition, both the city elf origin and the carta dwarf origin provide different avenues for roleplay that their counter parts do not have, which in turn are unique to those origins and not available as something that can be used for a human character.

 

If we just consider the origins as presented in DAO, while they each have their troubles, the city elf origin is especially brutal, and a player may prefer that as a basis for their elf Warden's roleplay over what is presented in the Dalish origin.

[R0vena]

I usually have a clear favorite with the game romances, but the Inquisition is the one game I just can't choose. They are all very well done and the characters are just excellent (so I am really interested in seeing all their content). I imagine my canon will be mage Lavellan + Solas because of sheer relevance to the main plot, but I understand that Solas romance is not everybody's cup of tea since the finale is still unknown and the whole flavor of romance (so far) is  rather of a tragic one. Cullen romance is a complete opposite - sweet and has zero to no angst.  I liked it very much, but wished the Inquisitor had a bit more obstacles to overcome there. Oh, and almost zero comments from the followers about it (Also I could miss some because of wrong party composition, I imagine). I romanced him with Rogue Trevelyan, but I think I'll redo it with a mage Trevelyan and with Mage Female Warden in World State (I had Cousland, my canon, that time). Perfectly spread across the game, too.

 

Cassandra romance from my point of view is almost perfect. A lot of content, comments from followers, she is quite relevant to the plot (sadly not as much involved after Skyhold), sweet and funny, but not without obstacles to overcome. I just wish it was spread across game some more even - you can practically complete it right after Skyhold. In fact I am romancing Cass for the second time right now, with the Rogue Lavellan (first was with Mage Trevelyan), and enjoy it a lot.

 

Sera romance is very funny if you like her sense of humor in general (since some do not). I romanced her with Warrior Qunary and it was hilarious. I'll probably romance her with the dwarf in the future, too.

 

My male Warrior Dwarf preferred Harding to everybody else, but her romance content is very minor, so it involved a lot of head canon.

 

Haven't romanced Josie, Blackwall and Bull yet, but I'll get there eventually.

 

ps (edit) don't know yet about the Bull, but I am planning to romance Blackwall with Dwarf Rogue and Josie with male Trevelyan (Rogue or Warrior).

[nightscrawl]

^ Just fyi, neither of the advisor romances, Cullen or Josephine, are referenced in party banter. The way you get party banter in relation to romances is if the LI (a party member) is traveling around with you, so other party members will remark on it -- "You're happier now," and so on. The only time you get a remark on an advisor romance is at the war table, and those are very limited, just a couple of lines, not nearly the same amount as romance party banter. There is also the occasion where a follower may remark on it if you address them at Skyhold. For example, after getting more serious with Cullen, Dorian will remark on you having a thing for strapping young templars, or something.

 

Also, I see that you romanced Sera, but banter also relies heavily on your party composition. She and Bull are quite bawdy together and they will remark on your sex life if you romance them and have them both around. That's sort of par for the course with those two, but some may not care for it (I don't). There is also a similar banter between Bull and Cole about it.

[Big I]

Adaar means "fire-thrower"

 

Iron Bull says it means weapon

[Andraste_Reborn]

Iron Bull says it means weapon

 

According to Mary Kirby, it's a specific type of weapon - a cannon, to be exact.

[AFA]

It depends on how you role-play your character

 

A mage can romance Casandra just fine, but a rebel mage that is the second coming of Anders cannot without a bunch of approval farming. 

[Waving_Dolphin]

(snip)
 This is a lot of text to say that I think Adaar and Cadash can actually end up being really rewarding because they require you to consider their motivations a little more since it's not as immediately obvious where their allegiances might lie. So while the Well of Sorrows/Solas/etc might not be as immediately relevant to them as it is Lavellan, there are a lot of other areas in the game where their background can lead to really interesting considerations.

Great post! Couldn't agree more.

[R0vena]

^ Just fyi, neither of the advisor romances, Cullen or Josephine, are referenced in party banter. The way you get party banter in relation to romances is if the LI (a party member) is traveling around with you, so other party members will remark on it -- "You're happier now," and so on. The only time you get a remark on an advisor romance is at the war table, and those are very limited, just a couple of lines, not nearly the same amount as romance party banter. There is also the occasion where a follower may remark on it if you address them at Skyhold. For example, after getting more serious with Cullen, Dorian will remark on you having a thing for strapping young templars, or something.

 

Also, I see that you romanced Sera, but banter also relies heavily on your party composition. She and Bull are quite bawdy together and they will remark on your sex life if you romance them and have them both around. That's sort of par for the course with those two, but some may not care for it (I don't). There is also a similar banter between Bull and Cole about it.

Yes, I figured I must have gone with the wrong party for romance remarks, so far the most comments I got was for Cassandra romance. Thanks for the info, I'll try to keep Bull around next time I'll get to romance Sera.

[vertigomez]

Iron Bull says it means weapon

According to Mary Kirby, it's a specific type of weapon - a cannon, to be exact.

All of the above!

[veeia]

What?....That's like saying that someone only likes Carta / surface dwarves because they're "human-lite" and not true Orzammar dwarves.  Not liking Orzammar dwarves or the Dalish because they're too close to their cultures and preferring other subsets of the race is a perfectly legitimate reason. City elves and surface dwarves have their own cultures that're completely unique from the Dalish, Orzammar, or humans for that matter. 

 

I agree! I actually prefer Orzammar dwarves and Dalish elves, but there's nothing lesser about city elves and surface dwarves.

 

I understand why they went with Dalish elves in Inquisition, but I do think if you'd played a city elf there you would have gotten just as much out of it, because you'd have a higher stake in Halamshiral, more insight into the mage/templar situation, and possible racial religious conflict, because of elves particular position in Andrastrianism. I would have expected to see more discussion of things like Shartan, for example, if that was an option.

 

However, looking at the entire post you're responding to, I think they're probably more responding to the overwhelming negativity about the Dalish on specific site, not so much an indictment on the city elf experience. Which I can understand, lmao. It is a bit intense here.

[frogkisser]

I agree! I actually prefer Orzammar dwarves and Dalish elves, but there's nothing lesser about city elves and surface dwarves.

 

I understand why they went with Dalish elves in Inquisition, but I do think if you'd played a city elf there you would have gotten just as much out of it, because you'd have a higher stake in Halamshiral, more insight into the mage/templar situation, and possible racial religious conflict, because of elves particular position in Andrastrianism. I would have expected to see more discussion of things like Shartan, for example, if that was an option.

 

However, looking at the entire post you're responding to, I think they're probably more responding to the overwhelming negativity about the Dalish on specific site, not so much an indictment on the city elf experience. Which I can understand, lmao. It is a bit intense here.

 

Hah! Perhaps, I don't frequent these boards and don't know the general sentiment. Most that I read on the DA subreddit is very Dalish-positive. The tone of the post I responded to just sounded a bit...too harsh, and confusing. It's not an argument I'd ever heard before.

 

That said, I feel there's really a missed opportunity with the City Elves, here. Such a big part of the game is in Orlais and focuses on the civil war and Briala's involvement - it could've been very much of a 'native setting' kind of thing, similar to how, say, Orzammar was important to the Dwarven origins in DAO. Would have been amazing to play as one of Briala's spies - that would've made an interesting Winter Ball.

 

That said, perhaps too much involvement in the main plot from the Origins is exactly what Bioware was aiming for, to give everyone that 'fish out of water' experience, in contrast to DAO. It definitely worked, and if so I can understand not including City Elves (just as, say, Orzammar dwarves weren't, but that kind of makes sense since the Conclave is a surface concern.)

[Genetic Destiny]

Qunari mage starts out with the lowest court approval during the Winter Palace (either because of the race/class combination or because all qunari start that low, I'm unsure), but getting max approval is still pretty easy so it's not a big deal.

 

I think it might be harder to romance Cassandra as a qunari? My experience was that where you had an option to flirt with her, that would only give a "Slightly approves" versus choosing a non-flirt positive option delivering an "Approves". That could just be Cassandra's romance though, I've only played as qunari. I thought it would be amusing to romance her as a qunari Necromancer but never did becasue I like KE too much.

 

There's some limited unique dialogue with Iron Bull about being qunari/Tal Vashoth.

It's kinda funny, my Qunari romanced Cassandra nicely, despite being a mage, not caring about the chantry personally and so on.

[veeia]

Yeah I think because races were added later, they were probably just as concerned with fitting them into the game's existing framework as they were figuring out the most interesting positions for the characters to be in. I think if the races had been planned from the start, having the option to do a dwarf that might believe in the Stone (I actually RPed it this way, so it's possible to do within the options you get, you just can't ever say it) or a Qunari was once part of the Qun might have been options they'd consider, but at that point it would require too much reworking of the set-up/later quests.

 

To me, it's probably best that the Inquisitor elf option is Dalish, because if they aren't Dalish, then there is no possible way for you to play the game and have a Dalish character receive the knowledge at the Well of Sorrows. I know that when I play a character who is not elven and who is sympathetic towards the Dalish or at least not dismissive of their faith, it's frustrating to only be able to choose that character or Morrigan receiving something that is sacred to another culture. ( It makes me wonder that given this content was originally designed to be in a DA2 expansion, if Merrill was supposed to be an option.) It also gives Lavellan a different "flavor" there, which I think is what makes people interpret Lavellan as one of the best characters to play. (Which I think is reductionist because it's interesting for that quest certainly and there are all kinds of issues in the game that make Lavellan fun to play, but as I said earlier, is only one component). 

 

I do like the idea of being one of Briala's spies. I was kind of disappointed in what they did with her in the game, especially with Solas just taking the eluvians away from her. I wish she'd had a bigger part to play, but perhaps she'll show up in the next game.

 

As for the BSN, I'm back after a long hiatus, so maybe it's different now! But back when I was an active poster, there was a group of posters who were very vocally anti-Dalish and could make discussions around them extremely frustrating, haha, so when I see someone on here who seems a bit bitter about people's thoughts on the Dalish, I assume that plays into it. Most other places, including reddit, don't have that issue, and Tumblr seems to skew the other way sometimes. Shrug, internet communities, they do have their odd ...charms.