No Canon ending they said. It would defeat the purpose of choosing they said.
They can simply write the story from where it's left off(I just mean the endings) and also avoiding the most of ME3 at the same time(that is what some of us are asking for).
But the endings and familiar faces have no place in the new game.They can simply write the story from where it's left off(I just mean the endings) and also avoiding the most of ME3 at the same time(that is what some of us are asking for).
But the endings and familiar faces have no place in the new game.
I'm currently not talking about "familiar faces". I've made my point about in my very first post of this thread.
and? They are doing this so nothing is canon. No Canon ending. No choice is canon. If we see anyone from the orig it's probably gonna be Hacket. Alone. Maybe Liara but I would be super surprised. Most of the events in the reaper war could vary. Did your Shepard save the quarians or the geth or both? Did your shep cure the genophage? Did your shep even survive the collector base?I'm currently not talking about "familiar faces". I've made my point about in my very first post of this thread.
They said no Canon ending. Someone chose destroy when you chose control or synthesis. Someone else's Shepard may have thane as dead and salarian councilor dead. Conrad Verner is dead in someone else's playthrough . It has to be separate from the endings and the rest of the orig trilogy because someone else chose differently than you.
Everyone played the trilogy differently, that's right. It seems like BioWare is too afraid to go near ME3 endings so they decided to give birth to ME:A from a safe point within the trilogy and make people forget about them. Not taking any risks makes sense but that's showing their little incompetence at the same time, like not able to write something that satisfies everyone who picked different choices.
We're getting desperate for answers!!! They better not disappoint at E3.Everyone played the trilogy differently, that's right. It seems like BioWare is too afraid to go near ME3 endings so they decided to give birth to ME:A from a safe point within the trilogy and make people forget about them. Not taking any risks makes sense but that's showing their little incompetence at the same time, like not able to write something that satisfies everyone who picked different choices.
Well...The leaked gameplay showed the PC using a M-8 Avenger,a Carnifex and some equipaments that look very similar to the ones used by Shepard.
So it could implicate that ME:A storyline is not that far ahead of ME3 (unless the PC is an old school guy 
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But as everyone said a lot of times before,everything here is nothing but speculations...
and? They are doing this so nothing is canon. No Canon ending. No choice is canon. If we see anyone from the orig it's probably gonna be Hacket. Alone. Maybe Liara but I would be super surprised. Most of the events in the reaper war could vary. Did your Shepard save the quarians or the geth or both? Did your shep cure the genophage? Did your shep even survive the collector base?
Even if we see Hackett, that renders Refuse non-canon.
And Liara can die in Low-EMS endings as well.
Exactly.Even if we see Hackett, that renders Refuse non-canon.
And Liara can die in Low-EMS endings as well.
The most probable cameo we might get is Liara, I think. She can live a 1000 years and survives everything in the Trilogy. And she is the shadow broker. So if we eventually hear from the Milky Way, I would expect a cameo by her.
Whatever it will be, the legacy of Shepard story must be there. I believe that is the only way for sucess.Like all the big stories and franchises that last for ever,like star trek or star wars the past has to be respected
Respect is a tricky thing for one person to feel respected another might not. Using your Star Trek example, I found Star Trek Into Darkness to be very disrespectful to the franchise since it was nothing but fan service.
The most probable cameo we might get is Liara, I think. She can live a 1000 years and survives everything in the Trilogy. And she is the shadow broker. So if we eventually hear from the Milky Way, I would expect a cameo by her.
I am pretty sure she died on my low EMS run to the beam during Priority: Earth.
I don't. She could be dead.The most probable cameo we might get is Liara, I think. She can live a 1000 years and survives everything in the Trilogy. And she is the shadow broker. So if we eventually hear from the Milky Way, I would expect a cameo by her.
Well to be fair, the endings to Mass Effect 3 are horizon events, representing fundamental changes to the political institutions and or biology of species. The easiest to work with would be the Reapers being destroyed, the hardest would be the synergy or fusion event and how would you portray a situation where the Reapers are controlled by Shepard? Massive lumbering devices traversing the landscape yet somehow not dystopian. Story needs conflict and conflict in these settings, would be very dystopian, the synergy event could be represented by a kind of cybernetic setting with the absence of consensus. Perhaps the best way to represent the massive changes in society would be to have a introductory set piece that demonstrates the changes in society and the utopian elements in each setting, with the particular advantages of each setting and then ejecting the characters from the utopian setting into something else. Because not being able to use 2/3rds of your cultural setting from the beginning of the game is not a good use of narrative resources.
Actually when I think about it, that is kind of what they did with the Citadel, but with one fixed utopian culture, to me the Citadel was as close to a utopian culture as writers from a secular democratic society could conceive, which by its nature includes conflict as part of its process. If we were from a more Authoritarian society perhaps our utopian fiction would include a more "great leader" format. Of course you could argue that the player character is a kind of "great" leader, the fiction of a non fallable character but there would need to be moments where Shepard is wrong to provide an argument against a "great leader" narrative. Arguably the Cerberus storylines in Mass Effect are an argument against a "great leader" narrative, most of the mystery is generated by the player character having an incomplete picture and trying to resolve conflicting agendas. Also many of the key scenes before action sequences involve a kind of collaborative decision making process. The endings of Mass Effect 3 have the protagonist as an almost religious figure, with an increased historical awareness and consciousness facilitated by the technology of the Reapers to make decisions in a "great leader" role creating a near Utopian society. It would be bitter/ sweet to revisit those outcomes and engage in critiques of the various Utopian societies presented. Can you imagine the player characters having to combat Reapers and agents operating from the sacrifice or authority of the Shepard character?
I kind of get what you're saying but can you simplify it so we can all understand.Well to be fair, the endings to Mass Effect 3 are horizon events, representing fundamental changes to the political institutions and or biology of species. The easiest to work with would be the Reapers being destroyed, the hardest would be the synergy or fusion event and how would you portray a situation where the Reapers are controlled by Shepard? Massive lumbering devices traversing the landscape yet somehow not dystopian. Story needs conflict and conflict in these settings, would be very dystopian, the synergy event could be represented by a kind of cybernetic setting with the absence of consensus. Perhaps the best way to represent the massive changes in society would be to have a introductory set piece that demonstrates the changes in society and the utopian elements in each setting, with the particular advantages of each setting and then ejecting the characters from the utopian setting into something else. Because not being able to use 2/3rds of your cultural setting from the beginning of the game is not a good use of narrative resources.
Actually when I think about it, that is kind of what they did with the Citadel, but with one fixed utopian culture, to me the Citadel was as close to a utopian culture as writers from a secular democratic society could conceive, which by its nature includes conflict as part of its process. If we were from a more Authoritarian society perhaps our utopian fiction would include a more "great leader" format. Of course you could argue that the player character is a kind of "great" leader, the fiction of a non fallable character but there would need to be moments where Shepard is wrong to provide an argument against a "great leader" narrative. Arguably the Cerberus storylines in Mass Effect are an argument against a "great leader" narrative, most of the mystery is generated by the player character having an incomplete picture and trying to resolve conflicting agendas. Also many of the key scenes before action sequences involve a kind of collaborative decision making process. The endings of Mass Effect 3 have the protagonist as an almost religious figure, with an increased historical awareness and consciousness facilitated by the technology of the Reapers to make decisions in a "great leader" role creating a near Utopian society. It would be bitter/ sweet to revisit those outcomes and engage in critiques of the various Utopian societies presented. Can you imagine the player characters having to combat Reapers and agents operating from the sacrifice or authority of the Shepard character?
The most probable cameo we might get is Liara, I think. She can live a 1000 years and survives everything in the Trilogy. And she is the shadow broker. So if we eventually hear from the Milky Way, I would expect a cameo by her.
Nope. Harbinger vaporized the asari. If she isn't vaporized, she still dies on the unknown planet if ems is below 1750 and destroy is the only ending available. The door to the Normandy doesn't open suggesting everyone onboard is dead.
I kind of get what you're saying but can you simplify it so we can all understand.
Fair enough. The endings of ME3 represent various versions of types of ideal societies, and having conflict in these settings would challenge the idea that these were "good" societies. I then waffled on about how the citadel in the ME represented a kind of ideal society appropriate to a narrative constructed by people from a democracy. Then I further waffled on, indicating I am a slightly educated man child with too much time on his hands. So it goes.
I definitely think there will be mentions and references to some major characters (Shepard, Anderson, Hackett, Saren, Sovereign and the Reapers etc) but obviously they won't physically appear.
I mean, you really think they can go the entire game without namedropping Shepard and the events of ME1-3 at least once? The game isn't taking place centuries after ME3, it may only be a few years or a decade or two at most.
That's better. I agree.Fair enough. The endings of ME3 represent various versions of types of ideal societies, and having conflict in these settings would challenge the idea that these were "good" societies. I then waffled on about how the citadel in the ME represented a kind of ideal society appropriate to a narrative constructed by people from a democracy. Then I further waffled on, indicating I am a slightly educated man child with too much time on his hands. So it goes.
I definitely think there will be mentions and references to some major characters (Shepard, Anderson, Hackett, Saren, Sovereign and the Reapers etc) but obviously they won't physically appear.
I mean, you really think they can go the entire game without namedropping Shepard and the events of ME1-3 at least once? The game isn't taking place centuries after ME3, it may only be a few years or a decade or two at most.
Yeah,that's more like it.
And even if a thousand years have passed,a catastrophic event like the Reaper Invasion would still be remembered after so many years.
For example,the Papal Crusades happened 1000 years ago,and people still talk about it a lot.The Reapers obviously killed much more people than those knights,so I'm pretty sure that the Reapers would be an enemy simply too hard to forget and the disaster caused by them would take countless years to be fixed,even with all races working together.
I definitely think there will be mentions and references to some major characters (Shepard, Anderson, Hackett, Saren, Sovereign and the Reapers etc) but obviously they won't physically appear.
I mean, you really think they can go the entire game without namedropping Shepard and the events of ME1-3 at least once? The game isn't taking place centuries after ME3, it may only be a few years or a decade or two at most.
I can see some mentions or references to certain characters in ME:A, I'd be alright with just that.
That's better. I agree.
We may get to see if this hypothesis pans out in science fiction published in China.
http://io9.gizmodo.c...scie-1780570782
Although I historically science fiction always has dealt with progressive ideas, or at least ideas seen to be progressive at the time. HG Wells is interesting, not only for his hypothesis but also for his attempts at creating Meta Narratives, he did reflect the dominant ideas of progress that were present in the 19th and early twentieth century.
thanks man, sounds interesting I'll check it out. You sound like you're a University Professor.We may get to see if this hypothesis pans out in science fiction published in China.
http://io9.gizmodo.c...scie-1780570782
Although I historically science fiction always has dealt with progressive ideas, or at least ideas seen to be progressive at the time. HG Wells is interesting, not only for his hypothesis but also for his attempts at creating Meta Narratives, he did reflect the dominant ideas of progress that were present in the 19th and early twentieth century.
I remember some leak/rumor that goes around her months ago: that Andromeda is only 10 years after ME3... are there any new information? I realy hope there are some new Infos on the press conference next weekend.
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