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[JPVNG]

I think the opposite..to continue having sucess the core, formula of the game must be continued.Improve? Yes...but do not change the core, the essence of the game.That is my opinion

[sjsharp2011]

Bioware still make the best rpg's in my eyes. They started the whole trend of modern rpg's with Kotor and Mass Effect. What they need to do is use more of EA's resources. They can be useful. They need to look at what's hot, like the Witcher, and implement the things that's are good. The witcher's romance scenes are on point. I know Europeans have different views in terms of nudity and whatnot than us Americans and Canadians but come on. it is a mature game. They are ahead of bioware in that way. They should learn and adapt.

Indeed I can see why people might argue this with Dragon Age because that has more in common with the Witcher because both are set within medieval worlds for me but  because ME is a moer sci fi story set in an entirely different time period so you can't really compare it to the Witcher tbh. The only thing they both have in common is they're both RPG's but because they'er both games of a very different nature you can't compare them. So why people  try to completely baffles me. As far as Bioware's crown is concerned in my view Bioware's games are brilliant and as long as they continue to meet the standards they'er hitting I'll continue to support them and their games. As far as I'm concerned that's the great thing about ME in my opinion in that it can't really be compared with anything else on the market because there is no other game at least I can't think of one that it can compare too. The closest is probably Deus Ex but even that is probably stretching it.

[Sanunes]

Indeed I can see why people might argue this with Dragon Age because that has more in common with the Witcher because both are set within medieval worlds for me but  because ME is a moer sci fi story set in an entirely different time period so you can't really compare it to the Witcher tbh. The only thing they both have in common is they're both RPG's but because they'er both games of a very different nature you can't compare them. So why people  try to completely baffles me. As far as Bioware's crown is concerned in my view Bioware's games are brilliant and as long as they continue to meet the standards they'er hitting I'll continue to support them and their games. As far as I'm concerned that's the great thing about ME in my opinion in that it can't really be compared with anything else on the market because there is no other game at least I can't think of one that it can compare too. The closest is probably Deus Ex but even that is probably stretching it.

 

I think the reason why people compare BioWare and CDPR is that they treat the developers in the completely opposite ways.  When BioWare makes a game the community focuses on what they dislike and when CDPR makes a game people will focus on what they like and not look to see why something might be weaker in a BioWare game or stronger in a CDPR game.

 

Lets take focus of the story, BioWare had to make it so their story works around eight possible characters male and female versions of a Human, Elf, Dwarf, and Qunari with also having a Mage, Warrior and Rogue class option.  Now CDPR has the benefit of making their story work around a very set protagonist for no matter what you do you are playing Geralt, there is no room to try and make a character that plays different in the world.  So normally you will see complaints about how the story in BioWare games doesn't feel personal, but they do in a CDPR game without looking at why that is the case.

[tehturian]

their alternative could be something like the gears of war series

Gears of War isn't a space opera.

[AlleyD]

FRom my POV, the BioWare brand that exists today has a LOT more to do than simply ensure ME:A is a decent game. 

 

I'm not talking simply about a single game, I'm talking about the major Brand equity and identity crisis but was imposed on the Mass Effect, BioWare and EA brands in 2012. These equity crisis'  were so major that they caused executive changes at the creative executive level and at the corporate levels of both development studio and publisher.

 

 The BioWare brand that exists now is a totally different entity and one that has not produced enough products to gain a strong brand identity on its own terms. Most users of this forum I feel have retained  some degree of the brand equity and identity that the brand created under the executive control of the Doctors.

 

Also, possibly more significantly in regaining some form of brand equity is for the brand to make better use of its own social media platform and far better PR. This is where there is no comparison with CDPR's management of their fanbase. The thing I take from TW3 was not only that is was a well developed game with an attention to detail in world building that was exemplary, but I was more impressed with how effective CDPR's PR and marketing were in managing negative feedback and creating positive brand equity within its consumers.

 

Effective brand equity management relies on engaging with social media effectively and making sure that it helps support any other form of marketing. My own impression of this new incarnation of the BioWare brand is that their social media policies needed to be revamped prior to any other form of marketing kicking in. I've read this forum nearly every day since the announcement of ME:A and I have seen little positive engagement from consumers and FAR more anticipation anxiety than in other forums I read.

Modifié par AlleyD, 06 juin 2016 - 01:56 .

[Drakoriz]

Well since this keep going after last night. Im glad to see soo many other that share the same.

 

ME is ME bc is different, and i agree with someone that said that willl be bad to see "Mass Witcher effect: Andromeda hunt"

[tehturian]

That's another thing actually for all the source material CD project have available to them they really seem to struggle creating memorable characters. Dragon age 2, a game critically viewed as one of Bioware's worst still has a handful of characters I can name and remember vividly. Only the bloody Baron comes close to the greatness of the Arishok for example. 

[Drakoriz]

That's another thing actually for all the source material CD project have available to them they really seem to struggle creating memorable characters. Dragon age 2, a game critically viewed as one of Bioware's worst still has a handful of characters I can name and remember vividly. Only the bloody Baron comes close to the greatness of the Arishok for example. 

 

well Witcher 3 characters make alot more senses, actually the over all story make more sense if you ever read the books. Like someone point out Witcher 3 is more of a sequel of the book that of the games. That for me was a weak point on the franchise, since really i hate when they make me go and read a novel outside the game to understand why Geralt now is on a relationship with Yenifer that only show up on this last game.

 

That why i think ME and DA make a better job with the over all story.

[Blooddrunk1004]

And plz while Blood and Wine or Heath stone DLC are excellent, both feel super disconnect of the main story on the game, that the important part on the story was finding CIri and dealing with the Wild hunt.

The main plot of Wild Hunt is already long enough and has it's own conclusion. The whole point of HoS and Blood & Wine is that they have their own arcs, characters and locations, it's the reason they are called "expansions". Both can be played before you finish main game, HoS even has a nice additional dialogue regarding Ciri at one specific ending, but it was stated several times that B&W was suppost to be the final journey and conclusion of the series so it makes more sense to play it post Wild Hunt plot.

 

Disconnected you said? Playing Arrival before destroying Collectors Base feels disconnected.

If Shepard can take his/her sweet ass time to throw party at Citadel while Reapers are ravaging galaxy then i don't see how different is that Geralt shouldn't be investigating Olgierd's contract and hunt monsters in Touissant while Ciri is on the run from riders.

[FKA_Servo]

That for me was a weak point on the franchise, since really i hate when they make me go and read a novel outside the game to understand why Geralt now is on a relationship with Yenifer that only show up on this last game.

 

That why i think ME and DA make a better job with the over all story.

 

I didn't read the books, and I never will. She's mentioned in all three games, and all the context you need is given in the third game. You don't need to go read The Adventures of Lando Calrissian to understand his past relationship with Han Solo, do you?

 

ME, after the first game, did a terrible job with the overall story. There are a lot of cues that MEA should take from the original trilogy, but narrative direction is emphatically not one of them.

[Drakoriz]

I didn't read the books, and I never will. She's mentioned in all three games, and all the context you need is given in the third game. You don't need to go read The Adventures of Lando Calrissian to understand his past relationship with Han Solo, do you?

 

ME, after the first game, did a terrible job with the overall story. There are a lot of cues that MEA should take from the original trilogy, but narrative direction is emphatically not one of them.

 

no sorry, Yenifer is just mention verly on the other games.... and on the 3 games is one of the main force driving the main plot. Lando was always a secondary character over all on SW so the comparison really isnt the best you making.

 

You can say what ever you want about ME or DA games bc one think they do really well is developing character over games, from Liara to Morrigan. Any of the character on ME or DA are more memorable that any of the Girls that Geralt just bang for fun on Witcher 3. Like other here have point probably the most memorable character on Witcher 3 was the Baron.

[FKA_Servo]

That's another thing actually for all the source material CD project have available to them they really seem to struggle creating memorable characters. Dragon age 2, a game critically viewed as one of Bioware's worst still has a handful of characters I can name and remember vividly. Only the bloody Baron comes close to the greatness of the Arishok for example. 

 

Baron shmaron. It's all about Mirror and Olgierd.

 

That said, the fact that they stick so closely to the source material is one of their biggest weaknesses, I think, because the source material really isn't anything special. Far and away the best parts of the trilogy was the original stuff that CDPR wrote. This is pretty clearly a case where the IP is in far better hands than it is with the creator, Bioware/Obsidian to George Lucas style.

[Bizantura]

As much as I like the Witcher 3 I hope Bioware does not emulate any game.

It is bad enough  a lot of devs emulate from other games what they think was the tipping selling point.

It dampens creativity and make games carbon copy lookalikes.

 

 

I rather have devs take a risk and to a degree bungle up from time to time.  For me Bioware does not need to take any crown back and proof anything.

I am content if Bioware stays Bioware even if I don't like the "artsy ending" of ME3 and dont agree at all with a reboot into ME4.

[azarhal]

The thing is though....The Witcher 3's flaws are not key flaws. They are known as well by the company and the fanbase as well as Bioware game flaws are not.

 

The Witcher 3 IS a game changer. It changed how content (especially side content) should be done in an open world game. It game changes not just WRPGs, but open world games in general. We are going to fin out real quick regarding Mirror's Edge Catalyst that cookie cutter side content no longer gets it done.

 

Going by how I see people only remembering the Baron's stuff which is 2 quests out of over 100 (or 40 if we only count main quests, but then one of the Baron quest is actually a side quest), most of the game must have been somewhat forgettable storywise for most of the players.

 

On top of it, it's not a good open-world game (it is very static and there is a serious lack of "dungeons") or a good RPG (Geralt's dialog options doesn't leave much room for role-playing).

[Dr. Rush]

I mean, people have been saying the same thing since DA2. I'm more afraid of seeing a safe, low-risk, cheesy-happy game. DAI felt like it was a good, risk-adverse game. After AC Unity got a bunch of backlash, Ubisoft released Syndicate, a cheesy-happy, risk-adverse game that placated its angry, loudest fans. But DAI and Syndicate aren't really great games, they're just good, safe games, carefully treading water, making sure not to ruffle feathers or disappoint anyone too much.

 

I'm waiting for the day that Bioware is willing to reinvent itself and take some risks. I don't know if that day will ever come. 

Bioware, stop making story-driven cinematic games and go back to emphasizing the act of ROLEPLAYING.

 

Stop being so married to your incredibly shallow morality system in Mass Effect. Its time to return to the defintiion of ROLEPLAYING, because there is a whole new genre of games called "choice and consequence" games like Telltale's The Walking Dead and Infamous Second Son, and lots others. These ARE NOT roleplaying games, they are "choice and consequence" games.

 

Just having a dialog wheel or a dialog tree does not make your game a roleplaying game. Just have character customization does not make your game a roleplaying game. Stats and skills do not make a roleplaying game.

 

Designers who actually design content that prioritizes and emphasizes the act of roleplaying over all else. Cmon Bioware, its time to remember what ROLEPLAYING is.

[SlottsMachine]

To be honest I'm a little surprised txgoldrush is on The Witcher 3 train. Anyway, welcome aboard.

[Iakus]

Forget The Witcher 3

 

Bioware needs to make MEA good enough to get teh sour taste of ME3 out of our mouths

[Obliviousmiss]

Oh look, another DAI bashing, Witcher 3 praising thread. 

 

If Bioware made a fantastic game, you all will still be complaining about it somehow or another. There's no way to make a perfect game. And the Witcher 3 is by no means perfect. (Swimming mechanics, anyone? Geralt's monotone voiceover?) 

[Drakoriz]

Oh look, another DAI bashing, Witcher 3 praising thread. 

 

If Bioware made a fantastic game, you all will still be complaining about it somehow or another. There's no way to make a perfect game. And the Witcher 3 is by no means perfect. (Swimming mechanics, anyone? Geralt's monotone voiceover?) 

 

well Witcher 3 fanboys become the new cancer on games forums, this day so yeah another thread

[goofyomnivore]

Oh look, another DAI bashing, Witcher 3 praising thread. 

 

If Bioware made a fantastic game, you all will still be complaining about it somehow or another. There's no way to make a perfect game. And the Witcher 3 is by no means perfect. (Swimming mechanics, anyone? Geralt's monotone voiceover?) 

What? I admit I only skimmed the thread at 3am before posting, but I'm pretty sure DA:I wasn't mentioned at all. It was mostly ME3 and ME2 vs TW3 with the occasional DA:O reference, and an off topic Dark Souls discussion.

[Drakoriz]

What? I admit I only skimmed the thread at 3am before posting, but I'm pretty sure DA:I wasn't mentioned at all. It was mostly ME3 and ME2 vs TW3 with the occasional DA:O reference, and an off topic Dark Souls discussion.

 

nha the op mention DA already

[Prince Enigmatic]

What? I admit I only skimmed the thread at 3am before posting, but I'm pretty sure DA:I wasn't mentioned at all. It was mostly ME3 and ME2 vs TW3 with the occasional DA:O reference, and an off topic Dark Souls discussion.

 

No, I recall a few mentions of DA:I in a negative light especially in comparison to other recent games.

 

It actually makes me tempted to see what the consensus on here will be like for Mass Effect Andromeda instead of going by what the reviews say, after its initial release, since looking at DA:I's critical reception, you'd think it was a different game being discussed going by what most people on here have to say about it.

[goofyomnivore]

nha the op mention DA already

Three opinionated sentences in the op about DA:I in a ten page thread is bashing it?

[Seraphim24]

No, I recall a few mentions of DA:I in a negative light especially in comparison to other recent games.

 

It actually makes me tempted to see what the consensus on here will be like for Mass Effect Andromeda instead of going by what the reviews say, after its initial release, since looking at DA:I's critical reception, you'd think it was a different game being discussed going by what most people on here have to say about it.

 

It's always a good start in life to just kind of ignore everyone and everything written by people everywhere IMHO

[AlanC9]

I think the opposite..to continue having sucess the core, formula of the game must be continued.Improve? Yes...but do not change the core, the essence of the game.That is my opinion

OK. Now all you have to do is define "core" in a way that we all agree on.