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[goofyomnivore]

No, I recall a few mentions of DA:I in a negative light especially in comparison to other recent games.

 

It actually makes me tempted to see what the consensus on here will be like for Mass Effect Andromeda instead of going by what the reviews say, after its initial release, since looking at DA:I's critical reception, you'd think it was a different game being discussed going by what most people on here have to say about it.

DA:I was received quite well by the BSN I thought. I'd say a lot of people jumped ship once they started doing their second and third playthroughs and began to notice how hollow the world seemed. I thought DA:I was a good game. Corypheus was a major letdown tho.

[Obliviousmiss]

Three opinionated sentences in the op about DA:I in a ten page thread is bashing it?

 

There have been dozens of Witcher 3 praising, DAI bashing threads over the past year. They all mold together. 

 

 

No, I recall a few mentions of DA:I in a negative light especially in comparison to other recent games.

 

It actually makes me tempted to see what the consensus on here will be like for Mass Effect Andromeda instead of going by what the reviews say, after its initial release, since looking at DA:I's critical reception, you'd think it was a different game being discussed going by what most people on here have to say about it.

 

I don't get Bioware fans. I play their games and I love them, hence why I'm here. But lots of people on this site just despise ME3 and DAI, yet they're still here. They make threads to bash said games and compare them to other games, and I'm soooooooooooooooo tired of it. 

 

CD Project Red is CD Project Red, and Bioware is Bioware. With how many years in development MEA has been through, (and with no last gen port to speak of!) I'm quite confident in it, and the trailer next week should solidify my confidence.

[Seraphim24]

Well the core of the Bioware game is that Bioware chart that someone made....

 

The one that highlights all the key elements it's like

 

1. Tutorial where you gradually are introduced to game mechanics and have a sidekick who gets killed towards the end while telling you the importance of getting to the next thing, usually ending in you obtaining "level 3."

 

2. A mentor figure who comes along, and who may or may not be the sidekick in the tutorial, who eventually becomes corrupted and eventually you are forced to go against them due to their ambiguous morality and/or sense of conflict.

 

3. A tragic, world shattering conflict that gradually ramps up due to the ineptitude and oversight of the world's organizations and societies, who only, at the very last moment, see the light in your words and offer you the "paragon/renegade" choice of being wrathful towards them or "forgiveness."

 

4. An epic romantic story between a hardened, liberal progressive veteran of major wars and conflicts, who nonetheless is not a untoward and easily manipulated beta but is in fact eager to display their street smarts, but who is struggling against the weight of societal misrepresentation, and who is ultimately saved by a gentle encouraging person of submissive calm to the commander's dominant right,

 

5. The resulting team combines all the rays of the sun to unite against the great dark galactic force, and everyone lives happily ever after.

[sjsharp2011]

I think the reason why people compare BioWare and CDPR is that they treat the developers in the completely opposite ways.  When BioWare makes a game the community focuses on what they dislike and when CDPR makes a game people will focus on what they like and not look to see why something might be weaker in a BioWare game or stronger in a CDPR game.

 

Lets take focus of the story, BioWare had to make it so their story works around eight possible characters male and female versions of a Human, Elf, Dwarf, and Qunari with also having a Mage, Warrior and Rogue class option.  Now CDPR has the benefit of making their story work around a very set protagonist for no matter what you do you are playing Geralt, there is no room to try and make a character that plays different in the world.  So normally you will see complaints about how the story in BioWare games doesn't feel personal, but they do in a CDPR game without looking at why that is the case.

Indeed I've only ever played a little bit of the Witcher 1 I haven't got around to playing the other's yet although I do plan to as I do have them. I don't own any of the Witcher 3 DLC's yet though but was going to wait until I'd played the game through at least once first befoer deciding whether or not to get them. Do I like the Witcher games based on what I've experienced of Witcher 1 I'd say yes. Do I like them as much as Bioware's games not really. But I think I prefer the mechanics Bioware uses in their games over what the Witcher uses as I prefer the idea of working as a team to resolve a crisis rather than working on your lonesome as it seems we do in the Witcher as Geralt.

[goofyomnivore]

I don't get Bioware fans. I play their games and I love them, hence why I'm here. But lots of people on this site just despise ME3 and DAI, yet they're still here. They make threads to bash said games and compare them to other games, and I'm soooooooooooooooo tired of it. 

I don't think that behavior is exclusive to the BSN. But if they still had an off topic forum.. where people could talk about other games and compare them to ME:A that'd be helpful in keeping the ME:A forum about ME:A, and less about how it stacks up against its competition and/or predecessors.

[Sartoz]

DA:I was received quite well by the BSN I thought. I'd say a lot of people jumped ship once they started doing their second and third playthroughs and began to notice how hollow the world seemed. I thought DA:I was a good game. Corypheus was a major letdown tho.

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Are you kidding? The PC Community Concerns Thread had over 800 pages of "concerns" not looked at in any major way.  The managers left the BSN to get away from the heat and ignore their valid complaints = the equivalent of hiding behind answering machines.

 

Also, you are correct about the Great Big Bad = Corypheus, a total disappointment. You had to buy a DLC to actually get a Big Bad. Mike got my money, but I seriously doubt he'll get more from me.

[goofyomnivore]

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Are you kidding? The PC Community Concerns Thread had over 800 pages of "concerns" not looked at in any major way.  The managers left the BSN to get away from the heat and ignore their valid complaints = the equivalent of hiding behind answering machines.

I didn't say everyone received it well. I played on PC and remember the god awful kb+m port, and the constant driver crashes/graphics bugs. Technical issues aside I still remember way more positive threads than negative ones on these forums at release. ME:3 and DA:2 were pages upon pages of negativity.

[SKAR]

I'll admit, better side quests are welcome but the comparison isn't really fair since ME3 came out in 2012 and that's a long time ago in video game land. Besides the Witcher has it's share of silly side quests and tediousness. Are you sure your judgement isn't clouded with fanboyism?

Also TW3 isn't a full blown rpg either, you can only be geralt and a witcher however varied you may claim witchers are. Personally I prefer Dark Souls 3 or bloodborne to TW3 and consider them to have better environments, stories and gameplay but the important point here is that it's my preference and not a concrete fact.

I like that big lebowski reference.

[Seraphim24]

Honestly look, if all Bioware does is make a game that essentially is like all the other games they've made they'll be fantastic.

[Iakus]

Honestly look, if all Bioware does is make a game that essentially is like all the other games they've made they'll be fantastic.

Well, not like all the other games they've made...

[The Elder King]

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Are you kidding? The PC Community Concerns Thread had over 800 pages of "concerns" not looked at in any major way.  The managers left the BSN to get away from the heat and ignore their valid complaints = the equivalent of hiding behind answering machines.

 

Also, you are correct about the Great Big Bad = Corypheus, a total disappointment. You had to buy a DLC to actually get a Big Bad. Mike got my money, but I seriously doubt he'll get more from me.

 

 

Corypheus is the Big Bad of the game. He wasn't that good, but he still was. Solas will be the antagonist of the next/future games. Also, if you consider him an antagonist, you could've considered him such already at the end of DAI.

 

I don't get the hate of Laidlaw. It's not like he's the sol responsible for the problems you found in the game, or for not fixing them.

[SKAR]

Honestly look, if all Bioware does is make a game that essentially is like all the other games they've made they'll be fantastic.

Only if they fix the mistakes.

[Seraphim24]

Well, not like all the other games they've made...

 

Ok here's the thing.

 

Lets say Bioware games aren't always everything, everything, while that's disappointing, I suppose,  I don't expect what they create along those same lines to ever be in danger of not selling or pleasing at least a good portion of a good portion of what people want.

 

Criticism aside, the ME series sold like a bajillion copies.

 

They should find a way to be happy with what they have made, and what fans are likely to get, only then can they possibly move beyond.

 

They fiendishly chase trends and overreact a lot, but the games... aren't all that different as a consequence.

 

By everyone at least acknowledging the entirety of the situation, they will then perhaps be able to make stuff in the beyond.

[The Elder King]

Well, not like all the other games they've made...

It's a matter of opinion. If a person liked all Bioware game so far, it's obvious he/she'll wish for the next one to be the same.

At the same time, other people might single out other Bioware games as the bad egg, and not ME3.

[sjsharp2011]

DA:I was received quite well by the BSN I thought. I'd say a lot of people jumped ship once they started doing their second and third playthroughs and began to notice how hollow the world seemed. I thought DA:I was a good game. Corypheus was a major letdown tho.

Yeah the final battle with Cory shou;ld have been grander than it was. I was also surprised he didn't attempt to attack you again at Skyhold once you started interfering with his plans again. I think he was a good villain for the story I just feel that we could have done with another mission or 2 where we had to deal with him andf made the final battle when we finally did confront him grander. But in general thoug hthat's really my only complaint with DAI and for me a generally small one because for me even withthe game as it is I still find it highly enjoyable and replayable just as with all Bioware's games.

[Seraphim24]

Only if they fix the mistakes.

 

I think whatever disappointed people can possibly be changed, however, I think it's like a deal... Fans acknowledge what Bioware does right, what brought them here in the first place, and keeps them here, and then Bioware and the developers I imagine will be more willing to say what they did wrong, right?

 

But right now it's all see-sawing and spiralling into other franchises like TW as if TW has really anything to do, ultimately, with Bioware or what their fans want.

 

If you notice TW fans seem to really enjoy their franchise and support them, and CDPR rewards them appropriately.

[Iakus]

It's a matter of opinion. If a person liked all Bioware game so far, it's obvious he/she'll wish for the next one to be the same.

At the same time, other people might single out other Bioware games as the bad egg, and not ME3.

Sure.

 

But a lot of people expressed a, shall we say "disappointed" opinion with ME3.

[Jimbo_Gee79]

The problem as I see it is that Bioware cant please everyone no matter what they do. There are some things in every game we're not going to like/agree with. We as players must learn to deal with it.

 

Second, I think we all need to remember its just a game. No game is supposed to give you an Epiphany. They are supposed to be enjoyable but nobody gets to claim the greatest game ever award. It all depends on the players, some are still sore about mass effect 3's ending and need to get out more. Others think it was a sad ending to a veryy good trilogy. It doesn't matter.

 

I think fans also need to be wary of using the "Why can't you be more like X Y or Z" The reason is because they then get labelled an X Y Z clone. That label NEVER comes off. Just ask the developers of Titan Quest. Plus if Bioware do copy a games mechanics so what? Clearly its a good mechanic.

[sjsharp2011]

There have been dozens of Witcher 3 praising, DAI bashing threads over the past year. They all mold together. 

 

 

 

I don't get Bioware fans. I play their games and I love them, hence why I'm here. But lots of people on this site just despise ME3 and DAI, yet they're still here. They make threads to bash said games and compare them to other games, and I'm soooooooooooooooo tired of it. 

 

CD Project Red is CD Project Red, and Bioware is Bioware. With how many years in development MEA has been through, (and with no last gen port to speak of!) I'm quite confident in it, and the trailer next week should solidify my confidence.

Agreed they do tend to. I personally prefer DA over  the Witcher but that's just me. I can't talk too much about the Witcher 3 as I've not really experienced it properly yet. All my experiences that I've had with the Witcher games so far are with the first game and from what I can tell from info I've gathered is that it's the least popular of the 3. So it's a hard benchmark to really measure up to.

[Drakoriz]

Sure.

 

But a lot of people expressed a, shall we say "disappointed" opinion with ME3.

 

Alot of ppl expressed "disappoint" for the ending that all. Over all ME 3 isnt a bad game. The 3 color ending didnt set well. That probably all.

[The Night Haunter]

I don't know why people insist on comparing DA and TW, they are very damn different games. One is an action rpg with a fixed character and a fixed story. The other is a more 'traditional' rpg (what I mean by this more stat based, less reaction time based) with a customized character and an evolving story (admittedly a bit less so in DAI).

Comparing ME and TW is just the height of silliness. One is a shooter. That's all that really needs to be said.

 

We don't need to homogenize games, I like TW3 and I like DA/ME. What I like most is how they are different, not how they are the same. I don't want to play the same game over and over for the rest of my life.

 

As far as crowns go I'd suggest no-one has the 'Best Storytelling RPG' crown at the moment. All the companies seem to be falling prey to the 'Bigger is better!' mentality.

[Iakus]

Alot of ppl expressed "disappoint" for the ending that all. Over all ME 3 isnt a bad game. The 3 color ending didnt set well. That probably all.

Overall, without the ending ME3 was an adequate game.  Not terrible.  But nothing to be especially proud of either.

 

But then there's the ending...

[Giantdeathrobot]

The thing is though....The Witcher 3's flaws are not key flaws. They are known as well by the company and the fanbase as well as Bioware game flaws are not.

 

The Witcher 3 IS a game changer. It changed how content (especially side content) should be done in an open world game. It game changes not just WRPGs, but open world games in general. We are going to fin out real quick regarding Mirror's Edge Catalyst that cookie cutter side content no longer gets it done.

 

What's the meaning of ''key flaws''?

 

I thought TW3's by-the-numbers (and boring by the endgame) combat and fairly inconsistent writing quality (yes, Bloody Baron is awesome. Novigrad sucks however) were pretty ''key flaws'' myself.

 

I don't want Bioware to copy-paste TW3. They should create their own great game. Sure, they can look for inspiration regarding side content, and even then TW3 didn't innovate that much, they just made quality side content like you can see in many other games and crammed loads of it in theirs. In fact, I daresay Rockstar games are easily as good as them on that front. Doesn't mean I want Andromeda to be GTA with a sci-fi coat of paint.

 

Cripes, I'm enjoying Blood and Wine a lot right now, but these threads just keep coming back and reminding me how unsufferable CDPR's fanbase can be.

[Obliviousmiss]

 

 

Cripes, I'm enjoying Blood and Wine a lot right now, but these threads just keep coming back and reminding me how unsufferable CDPR's fanbase can be.

 

 

Hence why threads like this shouldn't exist. I hate comparing games from different developers. Apples and Oranges, people. 

[txgoldrush]

What's the meaning of ''key flaws''?

 

I thought TW3's by-the-numbers (and boring by the endgame) combat and fairly inconsistent writing quality (yes, Bloody Baron is awesome. Novigrad sucks however) were pretty ''key flaws'' myself.

 

I don't want Bioware to copy-paste TW3. They should create their own great game. Sure, they can look for inspiration regarding side content, and even then TW3 didn't innovate that much, they just made quality side content like you can see in many other games and crammed loads of it in theirs. In fact, I daresay Rockstar games are easily as good as them on that front. Doesn't mean I want Andromeda to be GTA with a sci-fi coat of paint.

 

Cripes, I'm enjoying Blood and Wine a lot right now, but these threads just keep coming back and reminding me how unsufferable CDPR's fanbase can be.

No.....Novigrad is actually got the best side quests, and more personal ones too for Geralt. It far from sucks. Bloody Baron gets mention because it was so damn good, this doesn't mean the other parts of the game sucked. And dare I say that a quest in Hearts of Stone trumps the Bloody Baron quest.

 

Rockstar got beat too. They cannot handle tone and mix lightheartedness and darkness as well as CD Projeckt RED. Red Dead Redemption is a huge example of this, where elements of this clash. CDPR on the other hand, knows how to mix tones together in a way that works.

 

The key to TW3's success isn't innovation, but doing things the right way and not taking short cuts. Most game developers put little effort in side content, or put so much effort in side content, the main content suffers. TW3 is one of the first to get the balance correct.