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[The Hierophant]

No it isn't.

 

Ever heard of Baldur's Gate II?

 

Mass Effect 2 is very flawed. Lets count the ways, shall we?

 

1) The main plot is terrible. You cannot argue this. Its full of plot holes, opens with deus ex machina space magic (and people have the gall to complain about ME3's ending using it, wow), and its one big contrivance after another. Also feels like a rush job.

 

2) The morality system. Forced to lack onto one or the other without cheats. It also badly represents what the morality is about. Renegade is not about being the biggest jerk in the galaxy. ME2 gets it wrong most of the time. At times, its gets Paragon wrong!!!!!!

 

3) The lack of character interconnections. Outside a couple fights and Jacob introducing everyone to the ship (and his relationship with Miranda), the crew has very little to do with eachother. Hard to make a dirty dozen type game out of it.

 

4) The way side quests are handled is so inorganic. Instead of side quests coming naturally out of the plot, it is done formulaic in where it becomes more of a therapy session for everyone in your crew. Its filler.

 

5) it lacks an ending. I said it, complain about ME3 all you want, but ME2 has no solid ending. It took DLCs to even connect it with ME3.

Still my favorite EAware game.

[txgoldrush]

Yes, alongside with KoTOR and ME2 it's one of the three Bioware masterpieces. But it's behind the other two. 

 and you are overpraising it.

 

ME2 has major flaws, in fact more than BGII or KOTOR.

 

Overpraising overrated games has hurt the industry. Instead of improving what the game does wrong, flaws then become the norm. Look at SquareEnix.....FFVII has ruined them in the long run.

[Cunning Villain]

 

10 months before release. Is it too early, too late or just in time?

 

 

 

LMFAO FNV best game ever played.................next you'll tell us Rebecca Black deserves a Grammy. 

 

 

 

[SKAR]

and you are overpraising it.

ME2 has major flaws, in fact more than BGII or KOTOR.

Overpraising overrated games has hurt the industry. Instead of improving what the game does wrong, flaws then become the norm. Look at SquareEnix.....FFVII has ruined them in the long run.

What about the pros?

[txgoldrush]

What about the pros?

 For ME2, the loyalty missions and the characters themselves.

 

ME2 has a lot of great parts, but boy does it not fit together well.

[AlanC9]

and you are overpraising it.
 
ME2 has major flaws, in fact more than BGII or KOTOR.
 
Overpraising overrated games has hurt the industry. Instead of improving what the game does wrong, flaws then become the norm. Look at SquareEnix.....FFVII has ruined them in the long run.

But ME2 fixed a lot of ME1's flaws, so what's your point?

[txgoldrush]

But ME2 fixed a lot of ME1's flaws, so what's your point?

Doesn't matter if you make new ones. I can say the same about DA2, although ME2 was better made.

[Remix-General Aetius]

 underdeveloped ending and its risky storytelling caused a backlash (backlash for the former needed to be addressed and was, while the latter, Bioware should have ignored).

 

LOL oh no! *triple facepalm*. Yeah ignore the risky storytelling done wrong and address the so-called underdeveloped ending......which is literally 5-10 minutes compared to the dozen hours of the rest of the game.

 

Salty crybabies who didn't get what they want: their rainbow-tinted happy-happy ending with unicorns and fluffy clouds, so they still throw tanties 4 years later. Nothing to be taken seriously here.

 

/end thread.

[SKAR]

For ME2, the loyalty missions and the characters themselves.

ME2 has a lot of great parts, but boy does it not fit together well.

Despite the flaws people need to look at pros and weigh them out. ME2, great story, great dlc, great characters. Cons: side missions, AI, paragon or renegade,etc. Sure flaws but that doesn't mean we have to hate the game. it only came out two years after ME1. Nothing is perfect. We have to accept that. But if they make the same mistakes over again we're gonna have a problem. For example in MEA (I don't believe they have the balls to pull this) if they have another romance scene with underwear then we riot.

[Seraphim24]

ME3 was great, the whole thing. 

 

 

Ah... memories. 

 

ME2 I thought was like an elaborate joke no one got... but I mean it was entertaining and stuff for sure... 

 

ME1 obv started it all, kind of hard to parse sometimes because it was made when Bioware was still figuring out their attitude towards the whole hardcore RPG thing they had going on and all that. 

[Seraphim24]

But yeah like... literally every other key person founders, Casey Hudson, etc, just all these people left over the course of the last 5 years so I can't say I'm at all shocked in all that chaos and stuff TW3 was better than DA:I. 

[rossler]

Fans are a weak link and a Bioware's strong chain can't survive with a weak link. 

 

That's why they're moving beyond their core fanbase, and opening things up to the wider casual market for Andromeda. Even more so than what they did with ME3. 

[txgoldrush]

Despite the flaws people need to look at pros and weigh them out. ME2, great story, great dlc, great characters. Cons: side missions, AI, paragon or renegade,etc. Sure flaws but that doesn't mean we have to hate the game. it only came out two years after ME1. Nothing is perfect. We have to accept that. But if they make the same mistakes over again we're gonna have a problem. For example in MEA (I don't believe they have the balls to pull this) if they have another romance scene with underwear then we riot.

The problem is that the fanbase sees some which should be "cons" as "pros", like the "coolness" of Renegade Shepard.

 

I will give you great characters and great DLC, but here is the thing. Why should I pay for a proper ending of the game? Why not have the Shadow Broker be part of the plot and have Liara take his spot as part of the plot to find the Collectors? Why can't the Suicide Mission be to stop the Arrival?

 

ME2 was a glorious mess where the pros were in the parts and the cons were in the sum of them.

[Seraphim24]

Fans are a weak link and a Bioware's strong chain can't survive with a weak link. 

 

That's why they're moving beyond their core fanbase, and opening things up to the casual market for Andromeda. 

 

Huh that's interesting, like they'll just focus on MP and stuff and just kind of put the breaks on the whole epic dramatic game experience.... I can't really say I blame them given the criticism they get for doing just about anything, so that part of me is disappointed to not see those anymore. 

 

If it means no more being sent notices of investigation by the fair business bureau or whatever though, like I say, I can't say I blame them. 

[SKAR]

ME3 was great, the whole thing.

https://www.youtube....h?v=LLY52vjSFy8

Ah... memories.

Flaws you bet. Great game, yes but if more time was added it could've been better. It should've came out in 2013 in my opinion. I wanted more reaper based dlc and more reaperfied enemies and subtypes, more conflicts, Kai leng as KAI LENG,etc. We were awaiting the reapers for three games and it could have been a little more devastating. But now with better technology I'm sure Mass effect will be better than ever. Still despite all the flaws, looking back, great game.

[txgoldrush]

Fans are a weak link and a Bioware's strong chain can't survive with a weak link. 

 

That's why they're moving beyond their core fanbase, and opening things up to the wider casual market for Andromeda. Even more so than what they did with ME3. 

 

The fanbase is why Dark Souls III is easily the weakest Soulsborne game.

 

They are starting to ruin From Software.

[Sanunes]

BioWare will never get back its "crown" as you put it because people won't let them.  Any potential flaw or thing that a person might not like is going to mean the entire game is garbage.

[AlanC9]

Doesn't matter if you make new ones. I can say the same about DA2, although ME2 was better made.

So your advice to Bio is to... not deliberately add new problems to their games?

[Cyonan]

So I agree that The Witcher 3 was a great game but man... in a thread where you're criticizing others for overpraising games? It's like TW3 was the second coming of Jesus from the way you're talking about it.

 

The game has its share of flaws in it as well, despite it being a great game and CDPR having awesome PR.

[SKAR]

Fans are a weak link and a Bioware's strong chain can't survive with a weak link.

That's why they're moving beyond their core fanbase, and opening things up to the wider casual market for Andromeda. Even more so than what they did with ME3.

good. More people need to know about ME. I try to get my friends who play fallout to get interested. But it can be almost like poison. If they take away stuff the hardcore fanbase likes we'll start to die out.

[SKAR]

BioWare will never get back its "crown" as you put it because people won't let them. Any potential flaw or thing that a person might not like is going to mean the entire game is garbage.

Spoken like a true scholar.

[Seraphim24]

Spoken like a true scholar.

 

It's even crazier when you look back at interviews in like 2011/2012 with the people, they were releasing ME3/DA2 and SWTOR all in a year span, and clearly they expected it to be like their kind of "moment" when people would all come to them and all they had built with their company would be this big epic awesome experience. 

 

Instead, they got the opposite in many ways... at least from certain sectors, I remember playing at the time though and talking to a friend about it and they thought it was pretty great too, I didn't even visit their forums though or anything. But yeah it's like spending X years whatever of your life making something great and everyone just throws some.. rather big tomatos     

[rossler]

The less fan input these games have, the better they'll get. 

[txgoldrush]

So I agree that The Witcher 3 was a great game but man... in a thread where you're criticizing others for overpraising games? It's like TW3 was the second coming of Jesus from the way you're talking about it.

 

The game has its share of flaws in it as well, despite it being a great game and CDPR having awesome PR.

The thing is though....The Witcher 3's flaws are not key flaws. They are known as well by the company and the fanbase as well as Bioware game flaws are not.

 

The Witcher 3 IS a game changer. It changed how content (especially side content) should be done in an open world game. It game changes not just WRPGs, but open world games in general. We are going to fin out real quick regarding Mirror's Edge Catalyst that cookie cutter side content no longer gets it done.

[txgoldrush]

The less fan input these games have, the better they'll get. 

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