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[UpUpAway95]

This fanbase isn't much better. The constant need to bring real life political issues into discussions about game content. The need to complain and make mountains out of molehills about said content because they can't tell the difference between reality and game.

 

... and that the writing in the ME Trilogy poses a lot of "tongue-in-cheek" questions about a host of real world issues has absolutely nothing to do with that, eh?  That part of ME's writing style is what I find one of the biggest charms of the game.

[Gwydden]

... and that the writing in the ME Trilogy poses a lot of "tongue-in-cheek" questions about a host of real world issues has absolutely nothing to do with that, eh?

Such as? You've picked my curiosity.

[Addictress]

Such as? You've picked my curiosity.

Artificial intelligence and whether we should treat truly AI beings as equals, by law and in society (for futurists out there). Jacob's quest ....deciding how to judge or treat Jacob's dad probably has bearing on how much of a familial-duty person you are. I know I personally treat my parents like strangers, but some people honor parents on another level no matter what they're like (according to Christians I'm sinning because of this attitude). The war for Rannoch probably evokes the whole Israeli-Palestinian issue in a broad sense, because of the talk about a homeland and the middle-eastern vibes you get from the Quarians, though I don't want to say anything else about it; I'd probably commit some faux pas. Cerberus is kind of like any racist movement in history. I believe they feel humans are ultimately superior. Like a very powerful kkk.

[UpUpAway95]

Such as? You've picked my curiosity.

 

Genophage - reflects historical issues/questions about sterilizing handicapped persons and persons of certain races (lawsuits were making this news in Canada round about the time the game was probably first being written); also touches on real world questions about abortion (at what point is someone being killed) and population control (Quarians one-child rule vs. China's).

 

Geth - reflects real world questions about the direction and power and integration of AI and virtual technologies (again, in the new around the time the game was being written)

 

Overlord - commentary on the nature of autism (again, this was very much in the news around the time the game was being written - e.g. Jenny McCarthy movement)

[Donk]

... and that the writing in the ME Trilogy poses a lot of "tongue-in-cheek" questions about a host of real world issues has absolutely nothing to do with that, eh? That part of ME's writing style is which I find one of the biggest charms of the game.

Obviously all works of fiction are inspired by real world events or issues. That's what makes it an "art". What I'm talking about is the attitude of "X is offensive, X sucks because Y is happening in real life.." go look at in the Inquisition forums. Read the Solas thread in general discussion, have a look at the elf thread there too. That is an example of what I'm talking about.

[Addictress]

Obviously all works of fiction are inspired by real world events or issues. That's what makes it an "art". What I'm talking about is the attitude of "X is offensive, X sucks because Y is happening in real life.." go look at in the Inquisition forums. Read the Solas thread in general discussion, have a look at the elf thread there too. That is an example of what I'm talking about.

Oh you mean SJWs?

[UpUpAway95]

Obviously all works of fiction are inspired by real world events or issues. That's what makes it an "art". What I'm talking about is the attitude of "X is offensive, X sucks because Y is happening in real life.." go look at in the Inquisition forums. Read the Solas thread in general discussion, have a look at the elf thread there too. That is an example of what I'm talking about.

 

There is a difference here... between being inspired by and making a running commentary on real world events.  ME does the latter and does try to present the opposing views of such matters to allow the player to weigh the commentary either way (and some people will naturally form very strong opinions about some of the issues and others will come into the game with very strong opinions on some of the issues).  The game doesn't pull it off perfectly (we're not talking Shakespearean level literature here ), but that it doesn't shy away from it is one thing that does engage me in this game over and above a lot of other games (and I can absolutely assure you that I "can tell reality from game.")

[Iakus]

Man, i saw threads like these before ME3 and DAI came out. I can bet we'll be seeing these kinds of threads when DA4 gets announced too. Every Bioware game these day is now "How they must become no.1" again for this forum.

What makes this thread special is the OP was one of Bioware's biggest apologists following ME3.

[Addictress]

What makes this thread special is the OP was one of Bioware's biggest apologists following ME3.

ME3>>>>>DA:I

[Iakus]

ME3>>>>>DA:I

Not really.

 

But then I think a BSoD is arguably better than ME3

[KirkyX]

ME3>>>>>DA:I

Honestly, flawed as DA: I is, I can't say I agree.

 

I really, really hate all the filler in DA: I, but I'd dig up a thousand Elfroots before I played another RPG with Mass Effect 3's 'dialogue system'.

[Shechinah]

ME3>>>>>DA:I

 

Eh, I think Mass Effect 3 had some enjoyable components such as combat but I still prefer Dragon Age: Inquisition to it because story is what I care most about and I felt the latter's story was better, in my opinion.

 

One of the reasons was that I thought the story and characters became even better the more I thought about it and them which was unfortunately the opposite feeling I came away with from Mass Effect 3.

 

Basically, I personally enjoyed Dragon Age: Inquisition the more out of the two. I also preferred it's dialogue system and way of handling the protagonist more.

 

 

Note: this is my opinionated and personal opinion.
 

[KirkyX]

Eh, I think Mass Effect 3 had some enjoyable components such as combat but I still prefer Dragon Age: Inquisition to it because story is what I care most about and I felt the latter's story was better, in my opinion.

 

One of the reasons was that I thought the story and characters became even better the more I thought about it and them which was unfortunately the opposite feeling I came away with from Mass Effect 3.

 

Basically, I personally enjoyed Dragon Age: Inquisition the more out of the two. I also preferred it's dialogue system and way of handling the protagonist more.

 

 

Note: this is my opinionated and personal opinion.
 

I actually think there's a really good argument to be made for DA: I having the best villain BioWare's ever written--provided you've played Trespasser. Of course, BioWare saving the actual conclusion of the game - a conclusion that completely recontextualises pretty much everything you do over the course of the game - for DLC is a pretty major flaw in and of itself.

 

I think the only reason I look back on the main story of DA: I fondly is that I got to experience it all as one big chunk, since I only played it after the DLC was already out.

[Shechinah]

I actually think there's a really good argument to be made for DA: I having the best villain BioWare's ever written--provided you've played Trespasser. Of course, BioWare saving the actual conclusion of the game - a conclusion that completely recontextualises pretty much everything you do over the course of the game - for DLC is a pretty major flaw in and of itself.

 

I think the only reason I look back on the main story of DA: I fondly is that I got to experience it all as one big chunk, since I only played it after the DLC was already out.

 

I think Solas is my favorite villain of the ones written by Bioware and I consider Solas to be the best antagonist out of the ones that have been in Bioware games I've played.

 

That said, whether he remains so will likely come to depend upon how his character and story is handled.  
 

[LinksOcarina]

I wouldn't go so far as to say the "majority's opinion usually doesn't matter to the individual."  Companies usually do track 'majority opinion" in some way... and I suspect Bioware has internally taken some note of TW3's reception by the critics long before now.

 

That is true, BioWare has that bad habit of throwing the baby out with the bathwater all the time.

 

It's why the arguments that they aren't for the fans never stick really, they do a lot of that stuff based on fan feedback.

 

What I meant by individual however is more or less us; all of these discussions and debates and bickering on here, it ultimately is fruitless at times because people are ingrained in their side or beliefs already. Nothing wrong with that, either, no matter what side you are on (unless it's a side that has no facts or evidence to it, then you're just crazy).

[Donk]

Oh you mean SJWs?

In a manner of speaking.

[Shechinah]

It's why the arguments that they aren't for the fans never stick really, they do a lot of that stuff based on fan feedback.

 

To add examples on some of the good they've done based on fan feedback and fan request, to my knowledge;

 

The Black Emporium and The Golden Nug was free content and made as I can recall, because of fan request. They also tried to pep up the Skyhold outfit by offerding alternative outfits to debatable success. This was also free content. 

 

Additionally Bioware did listen to fan feedback and attempted to improve upon the base game as seen when it came to the downloadable content of Jaws of Hakkon, the Descent and finally Trespasser.

 

I am not saying that Bioware were flawless in how they handled things regarding Dragon Age: Inquisition and certain issues but I consider it untrue to say that Bioware ignored the fanbase on everything.

[Iakus]

 

Additionally Bioware did listen to fan feedback and attempted to improve upon the base game as seen when it came to the downloadable content of Jaws of Hakkon, the Descent and finally Trespasser.

Of course the latter two were never made available to last gen consoles, who were suddenly and without explanation cut loose from support.

[AlanC9]

I thought the explanation part was obvious, though.

Edit: well, obvious if you played the DLCs, that is. They were able to do things in them that a last-gen console couldn't run. my below-spec PC had trouble with them.

[LinksOcarina]

Of course the latter two were never made available to last gen consoles, who were suddenly and without explanation cut loose from support.

 

Sadly it's one of those cases of cutting losses I feel for that. It would have been easier and cheaper to make content for next generation consoles and tighten the focus than worry about two consoles that had low buy-rates.

 

Didn't they also offer a free upgrade at one point though for those who buy a new console? 

[Shechinah]

Of course the latter two were never made available to last gen consoles, who were suddenly and without explanation cut loose from support.

 
S'why I added this bit to the end of my post; "I am not saying that Bioware were flawless in how they handled things regarding Dragon Age: Inquisition and certain issues but I consider it untrue to say that Bioware ignored the fanbase on everything"

 

I was thinking of mentioning the issue surrounding the last gen as an example of the latter bit of the underlined but I could not remember how much of a button it might still be and so I did not want to risk accidentally starting something by mentioning it.  

[Shechinah]

Didn't they also offer a free upgrade at one point though for those who buy a new console? 

 

I think they did but I also think that people still had to buy a new copy of the game.  
 

[LinksOcarina]

I think they did but I also think that people still had to buy a new copy of the game.  
 

 

Hmm...that would negate the upgrade though if that was the case...

 

Still, not the best move but from a business perspective I get it. 

[The Hierophant]

Of course the latter two were never made available to last gen consoles, who were suddenly and without explanation cut loose from support.

They shouldn't have released DAI on the last gen consoles to begin with.

[UpUpAway95]

They shouldn't have released DAI on the last gen consoles to begin with.

 

Agree.