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[The Hierophant]

EAware should just do it. What's the worst that could happen? 

[General TSAR]

EAware should just do it. What's the worst that could happen? 

Something equivalent to the ME3 ending?

[Thibax]

The promotional art will be Andromeda, the galaxy.

 

People need to stop with this boring gender war.

 

Poor Bioware if they were requested for representation in all things. How many covers? Who will pay the work?

 

Why Bioware will make a representation for your personal preference since a lot of people will play the game?

[The Hierophant]

Something equivalent to the ME3 ending?

No not that bad. At the minimum they'll probably scapegoat any criticism of the game on misogyny.

[kalikilic]

ME1 and ME2 always depicted the PC as male in the promotional arts/videos,and ME3 used MaleShep as the cover boy 80% of the time.

Women were never respected and seen as equal as they are now,and the feminist movement is now,stronger than ever.I think it would be a nice change if Bioware decides to show the main character more as female than male this time,you know,just so we could see a diversified main character as the cover of the promotional arts,not just another "cheesy white dude"

i like how this post supports the idea of the female protagonist being featured on the cover and in promotional work for ME:A and then immediately discriminates against males.

 

i absolutely love this. as you said OP, feminist movement is stronger than ever.

 

#equalrightsareequal

[Ruadh]

Just put a troll face on the cover and be done with it.

[Cyonan]

Cover is ad that can often make you interested of the game, it makes you have assumptions on what is inside. So it should show what the game is about. I just hope it's Bioware there making these decisions and not EA, marketer or some toy company, since I doubt those really know BW players and game as well.

 

I don't imagine as a whole lot of people figure that character customization is what Mass Effect is about as a game especially when it's a RPG, a genre in which character customization is very common.

 

Most likely BioWare will market using both male and female since they figure acting progressive will sell their game better on account of the positive PR it will generate. The DA:I marketing already shifted towards this by a lot of the promotional material having an inquisitor you couldn't tell the gender of.

 

but the whole purpose of advertising is to sell the game. We can talk about what they morally should or shouldn't be doing, but at the end of the day it's still there to actually sell the game.

[Random]

I don't really get why we can't have both versions of the character on the cover?

 

I didn't play MA when it first came out. Back then I was only able to purchase a couple games a year and I didn't know at the time that you could play as a male or female. I probably would have played it a little earlier if this was advertised earlier. 

[10K]

After reading some comments,I saw that most of you think about this kind of problem in three different ways.

 

1 - "Just show both male and female characters in the promotional arts and everything is gonna be just fine".

 

2 - "Never use the main character in the promotional artwork,and always use a symbol,a villain or an NPC."

 

3 - "I dont care about who is the cover boy/girl,I just want to play the game".

 

The first two seem ok to me,but the third one gets my attention.

As it was stated before in this thread,the default PC is an icon.It shows who is the main character/who you are going to play with.

A lot of people never used Sheploo,the same way many people didn't want to use the default red haired Femshep,and yet,they are always depicted as the main characters in the promotional arts.

My point now is,if Bioware is going to show the main character in CGIs and promotional arts,they just should just present him/her covered inside an armor,with both characters being equally presented.

Or even better,they could simply ignore the PC in the promotional arts,and simply use a nice view,a companion or a symbol like they did with the collectors edition.

Why does the third get your attention? People don't care, it's a non-issue to most. it's cover art. The people here know what the ME games are about, the cover means nothing to alot of them. They just want to play the game 

[ui876will]

Why does the third get your attention? People don't care, it's a non-issue to most. it's cover art. The people here know what the ME games are about, the cover means nothing to alot of them. They just want to play the game 

No problem,not at all.

But the game allows you to fully customize your character.The gender,face,hair,skin color,almost everything is customizable,so why not let everyone that don't know the game know about that?

For example,The first Mass Effect I've played was ME3 2 years ago,and I only played it because I read about the game and discovered that I could create my character the same way I created mine in Dragon Age.

If it wasn't for that,I would have never played the game,and I know that I'm not the only one that was attracted to the game mainly because of this reason.

Bioware would probably sell much more games if they made the character creation an obvious part of their games,showing it to everyone in every promotional artwork,or at very least,writing it in the game cover. (not much different than what they did with Dragon Age Inquisition).

[Cyberstrike nTo]

i like how this post supports the idea of the female protagonist being featured on the cover and in promotional work for ME:A and then immediately discriminates against males.

 

i absolutely love this. as you said OP, feminist movement is stronger than ever.

 

#equalrightsareequal

 

As a white straight man I can count the number of times I've been discriminated against and it's ZERO. Now I try to see things from a female POV now maybe I don't always understand everything or even like it but the sad truth is that most of popular culture is for the enjoyment of straight white men first and everybody else second. You should try to look at things from a female perspective and you will see that white straight men (especially when their rich) get all the breaks. I see more movies with a straight white male then a female the only ones that I know about is Ghostbusters remake and next year we get Wonder Woman (which I have zero interest in due to train wreck that is Man of Steel) how many female leads on TV I know there are more other Orange is the New Black, Jessica Jones (if I had a young daughter she wouldn't be able to watch either show due their graphic nature) and Supergirl. 

 

As a straight white man I want to there to be female heroes and heroes of every color, sexuality, and etc. I think it's vitally important that young girls and women have positive heroes like Supergirl, and darker heroes like Jessica Jones, but so do young boys and men as well. I get more simple joy out of watching an episode of Supergirl than any other media I've seen, played, or listen to in years. It made me smile and reminded me that is OK to smile and enjoy life.

 

And FTR The feminist movement is alive and well and doing good work. I mean how do you think this debate got started at all?

[General TSAR]

Well time for a drink.

[10K]

No problem,not at all.

But the game allows you to fully customize your character.The gender,face,hair,skin color,almost everything is customizable,so why not let everyone that don't know the game know about that?

For example,The first Mass Effect I've played was ME3 2 years ago,and I only played it because I read about the game and discovered that I could create my character the same way I created mine in Dragon Age.

If it wasn't for that,I would have never played the game,and I know that I'm not the only one that was attracted to the game mainly because of this reason.

Bioware would probably sell much more games if they made the character creation an obvious part of their games,showing it to everyone in every promotional artwork,or at very least,writing it in the game cover. (not much different than what they did with Dragon Age Inquisition).

Even if they showcased both genders on the cover, it wouldn't give the impression that you can create your character. For all the person know whom is looking at the cover, those are just the people they can choose from, Male or Female, not people they can create. The only sure way a person will know more about features of a game is through marketing or their own research. Cover art will barely help. Unless they talk about the character creator on the back of the game case, and if they are going to do that why are we discussing whom should be on the front? When we know who you put on the front won't suggest anything about the character creator. 

[Mihura]

Actually it would be a lot better for them not to focus on a character at all, more like the main theme or something. But sure female poster is fine.

[SKAR]

Actually it would be a lot better for them not to focus on a character at all, more like the main theme or something. But sure female poster is fine.

But it's about you the character. The character you is a symbol.

[Mihura]

But it's about you the character. The character you is a symbol.

 

That is not really true with ME and DA type of games, your character is never the PR character. If they make it ambiguous it would be much better. That type of PR is more appropriate for The Witcher or Tomb Raider.

Either way it is irrelevante for me in the end. I am more concerned with game features than PR things.

[slimgrin]

I miss the Tali fan threads, especially when we talked about her sweat. At least I got something out of that. 

[SKAR]

That is not really true with ME and DA type of games, your character is never the PR character. If they make it ambiguous it would be much better. That type of PR is more appropriate for The Witcher or Tomb Raider.

Either way it is irrelevante for me in the end. I am more concerned with game features than PR things.

DA has multiple protagonists though. ME1,2, and 3 has Shepard. Sure you can customize him and make choices but you can do the same with Geralt minus the face customization.

[Hazegurl]

Radical feminist? I know there are male douchebags, I butt heads with people like that all the time, out there but don't judge all men as scoundrels. You're missing out.

lol! I was poking fun at the outrage over the X men movie poster that showed the villain choking Mystique.

 

After reading some comments,I saw that most of you think about this kind of problem in three different ways.

 

1 - "Just show both male and female characters in the promotional arts and everything is gonna be just fine".

 

2 - "Never use the main character in the promotional artwork,and always use a symbol,a villain or an NPC."

 

3 - "I dont care about who is the cover boy/girl,I just want to play the game".

 

The first two seem ok to me,but the third one gets my attention.

 

That's odd considering the third opinion is far more about equality than the first two.  One wants to appease the crazy MRA/SJW crowd who cares so heavily about what's between a character's legs on a cover art, it's not entirely a bad thing, it'll at least get them to shut up (depending on how they are depicted, since they care so much about that too), and the second opinion just wants to avoid it altogether perhaps out of that same fear/appeasement et al.

 

The day people stop giving a rat's a** about gender, race et al is the moment we'll have true equality.

[9TailsFox]

No not that bad. At the minimum they'll probably scapegoat any criticism of the game on misogyny.

Everyone who didn't like ME3 ending are just children haters.

[9TailsFox]

I miss the Tali fan threads, especially when we talked about her sweat. At least I got something out of that. 

[Ahriman]

I don't really get why we can't have both versions of the character on the cover?

Because average customer tends to assume that these are different characters instead of indication that there is gender switch in game.

 

Anyway, I like where is this thread is going, continue.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

 

As a white straight man I can count the number of times I've been discriminated against and it's ZERO. Now I try to see things from a female POV now maybe I don't always understand everything or even like it but the sad truth is that most of popular culture is for the enjoyment of straight white men first and everybody else second. You should try to look at things from a female perspective and you will see that white straight men (especially when their rich) get all the breaks. I see more movies with a straight white male then a female the only ones that I know about is Ghostbusters remake and next year we get Wonder Woman (which I have zero interest in due to train wreck that is Man of Steel) how many female leads on TV I know there are more other Orange is the New Black, Jessica Jones (if I had a young daughter she wouldn't be able to watch either show due their graphic nature) and Supergirl. 

 

As a straight white man I want to there to be female heroes and heroes of every color, sexuality, and etc. I think it's vitally important that young girls and women have positive heroes like Supergirl, and darker heroes like Jessica Jones, but so do young boys and men as well. I get more simple joy out of watching the first episode of Supergirl than any other media I've seen, played, or listen to in years. It made me smile and reminded me that is OK to smile and enjoy life.

 

And FTR The feminist movement is alive and well and doing good work. I mean how do you think this debate got started at all?

[Panda]

Because average customer tends to assume that these are different characters instead of indication that there is gender switch in game.

 

Anyway, I like where is this thread is going, continue.

 

And if there is just one average customer thinks that is going to be the protagonist instead that game has CC where you create your own. So unless you have set protagonist in the game, having character(s) in the cover can always be misleading.

[Ahriman]

And if there is just one average customer thinks that is going to be the protagonist instead that game has CC where you create your own. So unless you have set protagonist in the game, having character(s) in the cover can always be misleading.

The point is that cover isn't there to list all game features, it should be able to catch an eye and show main game theme. It's advertisement element, more than anything.

So I find this whole thread amusing, because it

1) Tells EA how and whom to advertise

2) These people aren't even the target of it, because they will know all game features and buy it regardless of cover.