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[SKAR]

Bioware has been working on Mass Effect Andromeda for quite some time. Almost five years. They have devoted a lot of money and time to make sure this game is the best it can be and it'll probably pay off. EA appears to be giving bioware resources from many of their trademark games. They've had time to plan out thoroughly and make all the pieces fit. It may be years away but for the next installment do you think they should take more time in developing future installments given they have the money and resources? This goes for dragon age as well. Is two or three years enough time? I understand the demand for games but at the expense of quality do you really want to see a game earlier rather than later? To me Three years in between seems like a good solid amount of time. Maybe four. Maybe make more DLC? Any thoughts?

[Jedi Comedian]

It can be either bad or decent regardless of the time it took to make it.

If they take more time I just hope they use it smartly.

[SKAR]

It can be either bad or decent regardless of the time it took to make it.

If they take more time I just hope they use it smartly.

That's what I'm talkin about. They should question themselves, "do you think all the pieces fit"? Better safe then sorry. More time can be used to review. They could use that time to better side missions and DLC.

[Jedi Comedian]

That's what I'm talkin about. They should question themselves, "do you think all the pieces fit"? Better safe then sorry. More time can be used to review. They could use that time to better side missions and DLC.

I really dislike the whole DLC thing, always have. I only approve if it's expansions, sold physically like DAO: Awakening.

[ZipZap2000]

I hate to be negative but I generally feed off the atmosphere and all I'm getting from the forum today is negativity.

So here it is from a place of pessimism:

Black Flag. Great game right? Comes after two to three lack lustre installments, one of which was revelations. Widely criticised, this installment triggered a boycott from the fanbase of their mp dlc content and even a week long boycott of the mp itself.

This was around the time ME3 released. So it was overshadowed by events taking place on the BSN though it did get Ubisofts attention. They released a statement addressing our concerns.

Then came AC 3

Both games really annoyed their fan bases, Ubisoft saw fit to say to themselves:

If we give them rolled gold for the next installment they'll all buy the next two regardless of how crappy they are.



Ubisoft was right.


You could argue that this is EA's attempt to black flag us . That the installment after this will be a bug riddled mess with no direction focused around the MP.



But I wont do that.



Instead I'm going to encourage everyone to think happy thoughts about the future.

Positivity is the path to inner peace.

Negativity is a reflection of your insecurities.


Only by leaving your insecurities behind can you find inner peace, which leads to happiness.

Think happy thoughts BioFans.


*Sips Green Leaf Tea*

[Jedi Comedian]

I hate to be negative but I generally feed off the atmosphere and all I'm getting from the forum today is negativity.

So here it is from a place of pessimism:

Black Flag. Great game right? Comes after two to three lack lustre installments, one of which was revelations. Widely criticised, this installment triggered a boycott from the fanbase of their mp dlc content and even a week long boycott of the mp itself.

This was around the time ME3 released. So it was overshadowed by events taking place on the BSN though it did get Ubisofts attention. They released a statement addressing our concerns.

Both games really annoyed their fan bases, Ubisoft saw fit to say to themselves:

If we give them rolled gold for the next installment they'll all buy the next two regardless of how crappy they are.



Ubisoft was right.


You could argue that this is EA's attempt to black flag us . That the installment after this will be a bug riddled mess with no direction focused around the MP.



But I wont do that.



Instead I'm going to encourage everyone to think happy thoughts about the future.

Positivity is the path to inner peace.

Negativity is a reflection of your insecurities.


Only by leaving your insecurities behind can you find inner peace, which leads to happiness.

Think happy thoughts BioFans.


*Sips Green Leaf Tea*

AC:Revelations should've included The Lost Archive with the base game (had MASSIVE importance plot-wise, see why I'm against DLC?). AC3 should have been the one about pirates of heck about Shay and IT. SHOULD. HAVE. ENDED. THERE.

[RoboticWater]

That's what I'm talkin about. They should question themselves, "do you think all the pieces fit"? Better safe then sorry. More time can be used to review. They could use that time to better side missions and DLC.

You think they don't already do that? Games are in a near constant state of testing and iteration. Features aren't built separately and then pieced together at the end; they're built, locked in, and gradually built upon (the actual pipeline is more complex, but it's still a rolling procedure, not a periodic one). If a dev is just noticing a fundamental problem late in development, then there probably isn't too much they can do about it. More reviewing after the fact won't do much more than squash a few bugs.

 

Regardless, I don't think you can look any recent BioWare game and say "these parts simply don't fit together." They've definitely had scope issues, but their games are still quite coherent (on the mechanical side at least).

 

I really dislike the whole DLC thing, always have. I only approve if it's expansions, sold physically like DAO: Awakening.

The distinction is entirely arbitrary. At this point we can download entire games. Hell, some physical PC games are just Steam codes in boxes nowadays.

[Sanunes]

I wouldn't expect a five year wait for the next Mass Effect game.  Andromeda is pretty close to being a completely new IP for they are having to create all the lore and background from the Andromeda Galaxy while developing the tools and modules needed to work on Frostbite.  Most studios and publishers try to release a game after three years of development for they run the risk of major platform changes that would need to be adjusted for.  Such as if Sony and Microsoft instead of releasing a "console refresh" they release new consoles and Andromeda is delayed they would have to spend money and man hours updating the game to guarantee it would work on the new consoles.  There is also a risk of longer development time is the game is expected to sell better for otherwise the game will take a loss and then would not have sequels.

[Sanunes]

I really dislike the whole DLC thing, always have. I only approve if it's expansions, sold physically like DAO: Awakening.

 

The problem is there is not a large market for expansions that take a year to develop like Awakening, each month past release the user base of people that will buy additional content dwindles.  My experience might be different then most, but I had the most technical problems with Awakening then any other BioWare content so holding it up as an example of something that is good never makes sense for I rather have good content then content I can't play.

[ArabianIGoggles]

I'm all for getting it right the first time, but don't want another Duke Forever on our hands.

[ZipZap2000]

AC:Revelations should've included The Lost Archive with the base game (had MASSIVE importance plot-wise, see why I'm against DLC?). AC3 should have been the one about pirates of heck about Shay and IT. SHOULD. HAVE. ENDED. THERE.

This is a negative from your past, focus on the future and what it might bring.


*Stirs tea*

[SKAR]

I hate to be negative but I generally feed off the atmosphere and all I'm getting from the forum today is negativity.

So here it is from a place of pessimism:

Black Flag. Great game right? Comes after two to three lack lustre installments, one of which was revelations. Widely criticised, this installment triggered a boycott from the fanbase of their mp dlc content and even a week long boycott of the mp itself.

This was around the time ME3 released. So it was overshadowed by events taking place on the BSN though it did get Ubisofts attention. They released a statement addressing our concerns.

Then came AC 3

Both games really annoyed their fan bases, Ubisoft saw fit to say to themselves:

If we give them rolled gold for the next installment they'll all buy the next two regardless of how crappy they are.



Ubisoft was right.


You could argue that this is EA's attempt to black flag us . That the installment after this will be a bug riddled mess with no direction focused around the MP.



But I wont do that.



Instead I'm going to encourage everyone to think happy thoughts about the future.

Positivity is the path to inner peace.

Negativity is a reflection of your insecurities.


Only by leaving your insecurities behind can you find inner peace, which leads to happiness.

Think happy thoughts BioFans.


*Sips Green Leaf Tea*

what no Ryncol? Not gettin soft on us are ya?

[ZipZap2000]

what no Ryncol? Not gettin soft on us are ya?

Nothing is softer than water, yet it can overcome rock. It does not fight.

Empty your cup.

*pours tea*

[SKAR]

Nothing is softer than water, yet it can overcome rock. It does not fight.

Empty your cup.

*pours tea*

Remember Krogan in a fight you have to be like water. you can flow smoothly or crash. Be like water my friend. *Drinks water*

[malloc]

Longer development time =/= Good product.

 

Just saying, it is a multivariable thing to consider.

[AlanC9]

I'm all for getting it right the first time, but don't want another Duke Forever on our hands.

Or Ultima:Ascension.

[SKAR]

Longer development time =/= Good product.

Just saying, it is a multivariable thing to consider.

I'm just sayin maybe with more money, time, and resources along with planning.I wouldn't know. I don't make video games. But usually games that have been in the making for a while usually end up pretty good. At least in my experience with games.

[malloc]

I'm just sayin maybe with more money, time, and resources along with planning.I wouldn't know. I don't make video games. But usually games that have been in the making for a while usually end up pretty good. At least in my experience with games.

Counter Example : Duke Nukem 

[echoness]

I hate to be negative but I generally feed off the atmosphere and all I'm getting from the forum today is negativity.

So here it is from a place of pessimism:

Black Flag. Great game right? Comes after two to three lack lustre installments, one of which was revelations. Widely criticised, this installment triggered a boycott from the fanbase of their mp dlc content and even a week long boycott of the mp itself.

This was around the time ME3 released. So it was overshadowed by events taking place on the BSN though it did get Ubisofts attention. They released a statement addressing our concerns.

Then came AC 3

Both games really annoyed their fan bases, Ubisoft saw fit to say to themselves:

If we give them rolled gold for the next installment they'll all buy the next two regardless of how crappy they are.



Ubisoft was right.


You could argue that this is EA's attempt to black flag us . That the installment after this will be a bug riddled mess with no direction focused around the MP.



But I wont do that.



Instead I'm going to encourage everyone to think happy thoughts about the future.

Positivity is the path to inner peace.

Negativity is a reflection of your insecurities.


Only by leaving your insecurities behind can you find inner peace, which leads to happiness.

Think happy thoughts BioFans.


*Sips Green Leaf Tea*

[SKAR]

Counter Example : Duke Nukem

Duke Nukem doesn't count.

[ZipZap2000]

Asante sana.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Or Ultima:Ascension.

That was a better game than people give it credit for.

It wasn't good, but it was better than its reputation.

I do like how transparently EA rushed it though. The devs announced a delay, and then EA just went ahead and released the unfinished game almost immediately. Never has EA's impatience been so plainly displayed.

[Hammerstorm]

Nothing is softer than water, yet it can overcome rock. It does not fight.

Empty your cup.

*pours tea*

 

Isn't air softer than water?

 

*grab a cup coffee*

[Jimbo_Gee79]

I don't think longer development times necessarily equate to a better game. More polished certainly but at this juncture, the fundamentals have already been decided.

[Beerfish]

Often when a game is using a different game engine than was used before that seems to add to development time.