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[Merengues 1945]

I had actually never paid much mind as to how Solas gained control of the Eluvians during Trespasser but then while hearing again Solas' got that he personally got the control from her. Does that means she's dead? I don't see Briala simply giving away the source of her power or allying with Solas who has naught but contempt for city elves.

 

Is it confirmed anywhere if she's still alive? It would certainly be sad that Felassan's sacrifice was pretty much for nothing and that all her work pretty much amounted to nothing if Solas petrified her after she was no longer of use.

[Lulupab]

If Solas revealed his true identity to Briala, I don't think Briala would even think for a second.

 

But as you said there is nothing regarding this. So we don't know if she lives or not.

[Reznore57]

I doubt she's dead , I had a Briala/Celene ruling in my game , and during Trespasser , yes you don't see the Empress and her lover/ambassador ...but the rumors aren't bad either.

If she had disappeared I assume you'd hear something from Celene.

[lynroy]

Didn't he say he had to override the magic personally? I didn't take that to mean that he ever encountered her. I just thought he went behind her back and did his magic thing.

[theskymoves]

Didn't he say he had to override the magic personally? I didn't take that to mean that he ever encountered her. I just thought he went behind her back and did his magic thing.

 

Yes.

 

Yes. You remember Briala from Halamshiral? For a time, she controlled part of the labyrinth. One of my agents was supposed to take it from her, but he did not succeed. I had to override the magic personally.

[veeia]

I don't think she's dead. My hope from that ending is that it sets her up to play a role in that arc, whether it's because she eventually allies with him, or if she's a potential ally to a later protagonist in regaining the eluvians.

[Nimlowyn]

We don't know for sure, but I don't think she is dead either. We'll see, but I have a feeling she still has a role to play. If she is alive, I don't think she is going to let the eluvians go so easily. 

[PapaCharlie9]

Yes.
 
One of my agents was supposed to take it from her, but he did not succeed. I had to override the magic personally.

This is most likely a reference to "The Masked Empire" novel. There is an unnamed puppet-master behind Felassan, Briala's Dalish mentor. The comment above leads many to believe, including me, that Solas was the puppet-master.

Given that you can execute Briala in WEWH or soon after, Solas has to intervene sometime after the events of the novel, but before WEWH (or, at least before the execution, but also well before the final battle with Coryphish), to get the Key. QED, Solas doesn't kill Briala himself. That's up to you as the Inquisitor.

Isn't Briala also mentioned in the Epilogue, for those WEWH resolutions where she has influence on the throne? She can't be dead in those cases.

[veeia]

Is there an on screen execution of her or hard confirmation of her death from a trusted source there? I don't know if I have played that particular option. I'd be bummed if so, I would really like her to pop up again with some importance, but if she's obviously dead in some PTs, that would reduce that likelihood.

[Steelcan]

I can check the gallows in Val Royeaux and see if she's still kicking I guess.

[Evamitchelle]

This is most likely a reference to "The Masked Empire" novel. There is an unnamed puppet-master behind Felassan, Briala's Dalish mentor. The comment above leads many to believe, including me, that Solas was the puppet-master.

Given that you can execute Briala in WEWH or soon after, Solas has to intervene sometime after the events of the novel, but before WEWH (or, at least before the execution, but also well before the final battle with Coryphish), to get the Key. QED, Solas doesn't kill Briala himself. That's up to you as the Inquisitor.

Isn't Briala also mentioned in the Epilogue, for those WEWH resolutions where she has influence on the throne? She can't be dead in those cases.

 

I think Solas gained access to the eluvians during the two years he was gone, not before WEWH. He said he had to override the magic personally, which to me sounds like he never actually got the key. He just bypassed the need for a key altogether. And as you said, she's in the Epilogue of DAI depending on your choices, so she can't have died between WEWH and then. I think if he had killed her, it would have been sometime during the 2-year span after DAI and before Trespasser. And Briala is mentioned in Trespasser (by Teagan) in a Briala rules through Gaspard worldstate. So I'm pretty sure she's not dead. 

[Barquiel]

I got Celene and Briala reconciled and some note in Trespasser said that Celene and Briala are too busy sleeping with each other to be at the meeting...so she's definitely alive

[thats1evildude]

This is most likely a reference to "The Masked Empire" novel. There is an unnamed puppet-master behind Felassan, Briala's Dalish mentor. The comment above leads many to believe, including me, that Solas was the puppet-master.

It was definitely Solas. Felassan means 'slow arrow.'

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=PDHVCCPB2-8

[Ghost Gal]

It's possible he just went behind her back and overrode the magic that way. I think she's still doing whatever the Inquisitor let her do, but she's in for a nasty surprise when she tries to use the Eluvians and they don't work.

[fhs33721]

Pretty sure she is alive unless you personally made sure she's executed in the aftermath of Wicked eyes and wicked hearts.

[Gervaise]

Yes, Felassan was definitely Solas' agent and Solas killed him as confirmed by Cole's words "The slow arrow breaks in the sad wolf's jaws", for the crime of seeing Briala and the others as People.   This is why I'm pretty sure he took back the control of the eluvians without needing to cross her path, probably after absorbing Mythal.      Morrigan was able to control her eluvians independently of Briala, as could Mythal.   Even the Qunari were able to control their bit separately.    So it would seem that the information given to Briala was a lie, not surprising since it came from Imshael, and all she did was activate the network and have control over her localised bit.   Solas needed to intervene because given the likely link between the Crossroads, the eluvians and the fate of the Evanuris, he couldn't have numerous factions blundering around in the network.     The amusing part is that if you recruit Michel, you can get him to spend time with Solas telling him what he remembers about the network and the events in Masked Empire.   Nothing like aiding the old wolf is there?    I always thought it odd that I wasn't allowed to chat with Solas while he was in Skyhold about this but of course not everyone might choose that option.   I also thought it odd that after Morrigan shows you her eluvian you don't have the option to chat about it with Solas because that would seem the natural thing to do, given his interest in all things elven and ancient.   Mind you, I think he still did go and inspect it on the sly.  

 

What I do wonder is if he invited Briala to join him, she would agree.   After all, unless he admitted as much, she wouldn't know that he had killed Felassan and the latter had set her up to co-operate with him, telling all those stories to inspire her to rebel against her station in life and then her using "Fen'Harel Enansal" (The Dread Wolf's Blessing) as her password.    Certainly if she was put in charge of Orlais with a puppet Gaspard, then she would have little to lose in vacating the throne and much to gain after Trespasser, since with the Inquisition diminished or disbanded there was no longer the threat of the Inquisitor intervening should the nobles/Gaspard attempt a coup against her.    With all the elves running off to join Solas, she would also not have the threat of her underground army to hold over the nobles either, particularly if she could not longer move them around with ease.  

 

Still, in some people's playthroughs she would be executed and thus dead anyway, so I really don't think she is going to feature much in future plots, particularly since we are moving northwards and without the eluvians she has no way of moving around Thedas quickly.

[PapaCharlie9]

I think Solas gained access to the eluvians during the two years he was gone, not before WEWH. He said he had to override the magic personally, which to me sounds like he never actually got the key. He just bypassed the need for a key altogether.

 

It's possible he just went behind her back and overrode the magic that way.

This is why I'm pretty sure he took back the control of the eluvians without needing to cross her path, probably after absorbing Mythal.      Morrigan was able to control her eluvians independently of Briala, as could Mythal.   Even the Qunari were able to control their bit separately.

I find that all very persuasive. I think you are all correct, Solas bypassed the key, very likely by way of Mythal or whoever that blue lady was that came out of the Well just before Coryphish slammed into the closed Eluvian. That ain't Mythal, right? Cuz Mythal's in Flemeth at that point. The Well/Lady is the key for that particularly Eluvian, I think.

[PapaCharlie9]

Is there an on screen execution of her or hard confirmation of her death from a trusted source there?

Nope. It all happens off-stage, just like Gaspard's execution.