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[InsanityWolf]

Since so many games seem to have no problems with achieving high sales due to their 18+ content with violence, I wonder why Mass Effect - like most of the American video game and movie industry (Hollywood) - has such a big problem with nudity.

 

I mean this game is containing romances without any actual sex. It's like we are in a Christian or Muslim movie where everything is allowed from doing a genocide (Krogans), killing, illegal trades to supporting murder (and a Shadowbroker spying on everyone - Snowden/NSA anyone?) BUT as soon as you could show one breast (OMG!) you immediately have to change the camera angle and after that quickly switch to the wake up scene in full clothes or tshirts and bra.

I mean you seem as afraid of this as a little girl that starts looking away and turns red as soon as something turns sexual.

 

I think most of your playerbase has actually reached the age when they can bear those moments since they are normal within our lifes. This censorship just cuts away a huge amount of game immersion as far as I am concerned and from my point of view this is neither justified on a commercial nor on a gameplay level. One of the biggest reasons why people buy a Mass Effect game is that they can develope their own character in a realistic way with their own choices. I don't demand polyamory like some other people in this forum (since this was always a possibility when you actually played the old games [-> You could actually romance at least 5 different people in the playthrough of the game without actual negative consequences]), but a more grown up dealing with the topics of nudity and/or sex.

 

A Clockwork Orange by Stanley Kubrick for example had no problem to show nudity and still isnt considered to be a porn movie, but a true masterpiece of film. Since Mass Effect always had a great story in my opinion, I would expect the same for Andromeda and see an improvement for the actual quality of the game in terms of realism and immersion.

 

How do you guys feel about this?

(It would be actually quite nice if you would note your sex in your comment so that it can be observed if this idea is accepted or criticized by males and/or females)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I finally got to use that gif.

[The Elder King]

The sex is actually present in most of the romances, in the sense that it's clear that there was sexual intercourse between Shepard and his/her LI, as well as a lot of DA's scenes.

On the regards of having magically clothes again, I do agree that it's kind of silly (as it was making a shower sex scene with their underwears on). Though Liara's after sex scene was good in that regards.

I don't think that it's just a question about 'age'. People have their opinions on why they don't want to see full sex scenes or nudity in games.

I honestly don't care either way that they do. I'm fine with both full sex scenes and nudity, or fade to black scenes/covering through camera angles nudity part. As long as they make the scenes reasonable (a shower scene with clothes on is stupid, as well as Isabela magically having a bra in her scene), they can do whatever they want. While I like romances, they're not the most important part of the game, they're just one type of the relationship my character can have. And how and if the sex scene is portrayed has an ever smaller role for me. I'm male, for following your suggestion.

[Lady Artifice]

I think I prefer cut away to black, if for no other reason than because anything more involved than that in pixel form can fall into uncanny valley territory. 

 

I also think Clockwork Orange is an odd example to use. One of the reasons that isn't widely considered erotic is because the nudity involved is usually played for horror rather than titillation. Bioware is unlikely to try to emulate Kubrick. Thank goodness.

 

That said, one of the few things this fanbase seems able to find a consensus about is that a character wearing any clothing while showering is silly. 

[Han Shot First]

Do Not Want.

Nipples are the eyes of Satan.

[Cyonan]

Attacking multiple religions in your very first post on the forums probably isn't the greatest idea.

 

and you really ought to play Dragon Age Inquisition since it already addressed nudity.

[Draining Dragon]

wew lad

[NKnight7]

 

Religion, nudity, romances, and asking us to post our sex?

 

There's a lot going on in this post.

[The Hierophant]

Hmm?

[The Elcor Spectre]

This is a great first impression of you.

[Jedi Comedian]

I finally got to use that gif.

I can't help but LMFAO each time I see that gif.

[SKAR]

Since so many games seem to have no problems with achieving high sales due to their 18+ content with violence, I wonder why Mass Effect - like most of the American video game and movie industry (Hollywood) - has such a big problem with nudity.

I mean this game is containing romances without any actual sex. It's like we are in a Christian or Muslim movie where everything is allowed from doing a genocide (Krogans), killing, illegal trades to supporting murder (and a Shadowbroker spying on everyone - Snowden/NSA anyone?) BUT as soon as you could show one breast (OMG!) you immediately have to change the camera angle and after that quickly switch to the wake up scene in full clothes or tshirts and bra.
I mean you seem as afraid of this as a little girl that starts looking away and turns red as soon as something turns sexual.

I think most of your playerbase has actually reached the age when they can bear those moments since they are normal within our lifes. This censorship just cuts away a huge amount of game immersion as far as I am concerned and from my point of view this is neither justified on a commercial nor on a gameplay level. One of the biggest reasons why people buy a Mass Effect game is that they can develope their own character in a realistic way with their own choices. I don't demand polyamory like some other people in this forum (since this was always a possibility when you actually played the old games [-> You could actually romance at least 5 different people in the playthrough of the game without actual negative consequences]), but a more grown up dealing with the topics of nudity and/or sex.

A Clockwork Orange by Stanley Kubrick for example had no problem to show nudity and still isnt considered to be a porn movie, but a true masterpiece of film. Since Mass Effect always had a great story in my opinion, I would expect the same for Andromeda and see an improvement for the actual quality of the game in terms of realism and immersion.

How do you guys feel about this?
(It would be actually quite nice if you would note your sex in your comment so that it can be observed if this idea is accepted or criticized by males and/or females)

They need to do what the Witcher did. Nudity and Sexual but at the same time Romantic and not awkward. Just right. Almost game of thrones but less crazy. Very amusing read though. LOL No offense man and even though I support some realism when it comes to stuff like this, this community has gone over this countless times, everyone has a different opinion. I happen to be Catholic, far from devout, but don't go attacking other people's religion. I now await this thread's inevitable demise.

[Iakus]

Oh, look it's this thread again.

 

News flash:  T&A doesn't make a game more "mature"

[Jedi Comedian]

I think I prefer cut away to black, if for no other reason than because anything more involved than that in pixel form can fall into uncanny valley territory.

I also think Clockwork Orange is an odd example to use. One of the reasons that isn't widely considered erotic is because the nudity involved is usually played for horror rather than titillation. Bioware is unlikely to try to emulate Kubrick. Thank goodness.

That said, one of the few things this fanbase seems able to find a consensus about is that a character wearing any clothing while showering is silly.

IMHO Clockwork Orange is a disgusting film.

I think ME1 sex scene style was fine, it shows some meat but it's not pornish.

[Lady Artifice]

IMHO Clockwork Orange is a disgusting film.

 

 

It's meant to be disgusting, so mission accomplished on their part. 

[Iakus]

IMHO Clockwork Orange is a disgusting film.

I think ME1 sex scene style was fine, it shows some meat but it's not pornish.

I had to watch that movie in college.

 

I never understood why it was held in such high regard.  It is, as you said, disgusting.

[Laughing_Man]

I think that my favorite Martin quote is appropriate here:


“I can describe an axe entering a human skull in great explicit detail and no one will blink twice at it. I provide a similar description, just as detailed, of a penis entering a vagina, and I get letters about it and people swearing off. To my mind this is kind of frustrating, it’s madness. Ultimately, in the history of [the] world, penises entering vaginas have given a lot of people a lot of pleasure; axes entering skulls, well, not so much.”

― George R.R. Martin

[animedreamer]

America was founded by Super Puritans, why does this surprise you?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

America was founded by Super Puritans, why does this surprise you?

Now I'm just thinking of Puritans wearing capes. 

[Draining Dragon]

Oh, I almost forgot...

[SKAR]

I think that my favorite Martin quote is appropriate here:


“I can describe an axe entering a human skull in great explicit detail and no one will blink twice at it. I provide a similar description, just as detailed, of a penis entering a vagina, and I get letters about it and people swearing off. To my mind this is kind of frustrating, it’s madness. Ultimately, in the history of [the] world, penises entering vaginas have given a lot of people a lot of pleasure; axes entering skulls, well, not so much.”

― George R.R. Martin

I like him except for the fact he won't bring back John snow. Most people have never seen a person Mauled to death but most People have experienced the pleasure of sex. And yet they allow violence but not sex. That's basically his message huh? I somewhat agree with that.

[KaiserShep]

But if so many other games are doing it, is it still bold? 

[Draining Dragon]

But if so many other games are doing it, is it still bold?

Will it blend? That is the question.

[SKAR]

I think that my favorite Martin quote is appropriate here:


“I can describe an axe entering a human skull in great explicit detail and no one will blink twice at it. I provide a similar description, just as detailed, of a penis entering a vagina, and I get letters about it and people swearing off. To my mind this is kind of frustrating, it’s madness. Ultimately, in the history of [the] world, penises entering vaginas have given a lot of people a lot of pleasure; axes entering skulls, well, not so much.”

― George R.R. Martin

I like him except for the fact he won't bring back John snow. Most people have never seen a person Mauled to death but most People have experienced the pleasure of sex. And yet they allow violence but not sex. That's basically his message huh? I somewhat agree with that. I hear that people from Europe have a different view on nudity and all that. Makes sense. We have our own distinct society while they have theirs. Maybe that's why they are comfortable with putting Nudity in the Witcher.,I wouldn't know. Americans seeing nudity,Oh God! Don't seem to mind it in the bedroom. French guy sees boob, smokes a cigarette and doesn't seem to mind. It's interesting to me how different society's see things differently. I

[Jedi Comedian]

I think that my favorite Martin quote is appropriate here:


“I can describe an axe entering a human skull in great explicit detail and no one will blink twice at it. I provide a similar description, just as detailed, of a penis entering a vagina, and I get letters about it and people swearing off. To my mind this is kind of frustrating, it’s madness. Ultimately, in the history of [the] world, penises entering vaginas have given a lot of people a lot of pleasure; axes entering skulls, well, not so much.”

― George R.R. Martin

I get his point, but I would dare to say there's a fundamental difference:

Axes don't moan and squirt lol.