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[The One True Nobody]

With all the various people and viewpoints that got sucked into the Illusive Man's big organization, and all the various corporations funding Cerberus, it seems impossible that, after the Reaper War, the organization would vanish completely. "Cerberus is an idea," as the Illusive Man put it. So it seems likely that Cerberus would still be around in one form or another at the time of Andromeda. The question is, in what form?

 

This might be an interesting avenue to consider for Andromeda or future games for several reasons. For one, it could be used to address the frankly hamhanded handling of Cerberus in ME3--the Illusive Man's decisions in that game clash with the moral ambiguity of ME2, but a revived Cerberus could revive that ambiguity and separate it somewhat from the specific character of the Illusive Man. It could also be used to add more meaning to the Collector Base decision in an unexpected way: perhaps some technology from the base would have been preserved and researched by this group. It would also allow the player another chance to make real roleplay choices regarding their character's stance on pro-human/anti-alien matters, something that Commander Shepard only really had significant input on in the first game. It could also allow for something related to Overlord's option to give David to Cerberus in a similar way, not necessarily involving the character but the VI/geth research. 

 

Factors to consider:

- Because Cerberus was for all intents and purposes on the Reaper's side from what the galaxy at large could tell, it's unlikely they'll continue using the same name or emblem. However, a new pro-human black ops group that managed to retain some of Cerberus's resources and is backed by Cerberus's old fronts could make a resurgence. (Hail Hydra?)

- Given that Cerberus and the Terra Firma Party in their current forms existed more because humanity as a whole was new to the galactic stage and not used to aliens, examining New!Cerberus would give us a chance to see how those old prejudices evolve over time.

 

Anyone up for some good old-fashioned spitballing and speculation?

[KaiserShep]

I want something similar to them, insofar as it being some sort of shadowy, advanced organization geared towards forwarding human interests, but not something that is so overtly anti-alien and constantly crushing itself under its own weight/incompetence. I essentially want a human version of the STG. 

[Teabaggin Krogan]

Nobody cares about Cerberus in Andromeda. 

 

But at least if they're making space nazis next time, give them some spiffy uniforms!

[10K]

Nobody cares about Cerberus in Andromeda. 

Blasphemy, Cerberus is truth!!

As for my personal opinion, as an avid Cerberus follower, I think we need them or something like them. I also think we should have the option to be able to shape our character views towards a more pro-human outlook this time. Each game in Shepard's series had us more or less playing nice with the scum of the galaxy. ME1 was great, in that you could sacrifice the council in the hopes you'll get an all human council in ME2. But sadly those beast breed like wildfire and three more aliens pop up taking there place and are as annoying as the first three. I want to see dialogue options that reflect putting humanity first, I see no problem with that. Illusive man may have been a bit misguided when it came to some things. But his ideals, Cerberus Ideals, were something I could get behind. I would most definitely like a return of Cerberus.

[Remix-General Aetius]

No thank you.

 

Case closed.

[KaiserShep]

I dunno, I thought the all-human council thing was a bit much. Fast-tracking human ascension in galactic government to that extent just defies belief in the setting. There should have been immediate replacements from each council species' respective governments after the demise of the original council. 

[Abramsrunner]

Wasn't there Cerberus placeholders in one of the leaks way back? I wouldn't mind cerby, or a like minded organization being in ME:A, but if they're the main antagonist again, that just gonna feel sad, & unoriginal.

 

Also I highly believe without doubt that any choices that you/we pick in the first three games will not matter in ME:A.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

Blasphemy, Cerberus is truth!!

As for my personal opinion, as an avid Cerberus follower, I think we need them or something like them. I also think we should have the option to be able to shape our character views towards a more pro-human outlook this time. Each game in Shepard's series had us more or less playing nice with the scum of the galaxy. ME1 was great, in that you could sacrifice the council in the hopes you'll get an all human council in ME2. But sadly those beast breed like wildfire and three more aliens pop up taking there place and are as annoying as the first three. I want to see dialogue options that reflect putting humanity first, I see no problem with that. Illusive man may have been a bit misguided when it came to some things. But his ideals, Cerberus Ideals, were something I could get behind. I would most definitely like a return of Cerberus.
[snip]

 

I think you're the kind of person who'd shoot Mordin in the back while laughing maniacally and sipping iced tea under a poster of the illusive man. 

[10K]

I dunno, I thought the all-human council thing was a bit much. Fast-tracking human ascension in galactic government to that extent just defies belief in the setting. There should have been immediate replacements from each council species' respective governments after the demise of the original council.

Then if that's what they were trying to do they shouldn't gave had udina saying that the galaxy was going to look to humanity, They shouldn't have given us this false sense of that humanity was going to take the lead. And same can be said about saving the collector base also. They gave us this false sense of us working with Cerberus and the illusive man then pulled it from under us and made saving the collector base decision worthless and again making Shepard the slave of the alien council. The only thing they did right was make the illusive man correct about controlling the reapers and let him go out like a gentlemen. They wasted Cerberus, they could had been more. Humanity could have been more. Cerberus were the only people taking initiative for humanity, while the alliance stayed collard under the council's rule.

[10K]

*Snip*
I think you're the kind of person who'd shoot Mordin in the back while laughing maniacally and sipping iced tea under a poster of the illusive man.

Nope Mordin is a sensible alien, he understood the genophage was a good idea. He's still alive in my playthrough. But about the illusive man poster... well I can't deny that



The man is humanity's lord and savior. I'd sip a glass of iced tea in his honor any day.

[KaosGoneRogue]

oh for the love of...

 

[Ahriman]

This might be an interesting avenue to consider for Andromeda or future games

No.

[ZipZap2000]

**** Cerberus, pretend the leaders of the ARK had them struck from the record and wiped from history; so we can all pretend they never existed after ME2.

Humanity is better off without a three headed dog following us to our new home.

*Slurps Ryncol*

[Silvos]

I really wish people would stop pretending that ME3 ruined Cerberus. Cerberus was stupid in ME2. Maybe even more so when you consider what they were in ME1. And "moral ambiguity" isn't a strong or unique trait when it's constantly changed. Throughout ME2 you're presented with details and moments that paint TIM in a largely positive light because BioWare didn't have the guts to make to Cerberus what it claimed to be. You can't have a pro-human group that isn't anti-alien(just like a pro-white group can't also be pro-minority). You can't have a morally gray character who lets traditional morals guide his actions. And for God's sake, you can't have an organization with endless resources and influence that can't even hire a squad of mercenaries on their own.

 

Cerberus is stupid because ME2 is stupid, and they need to stay dead.

[The One True Nobody]

I really wish people would stop pretending that ME3 ruined Cerberus. Cerberus was stupid in ME2. Maybe even more so when you consider what they were in ME1. And "moral ambiguity" isn't a strong or unique trait when it's constantly changed. Throughout ME2 you're presented with details and moments that paint TIM in a largely positive light because BioWare didn't have the guts to make to Cerberus what it claimed to be. You can't have a pro-human group that isn't anti-alien(just like a pro-white group can't also be pro-minority). You can't have a morally gray character who lets traditional morals guide his actions. And for God's sake, you can't have an organization with endless resources and influence that can't even hire a squad of mercenaries on their own.

 

Cerberus is stupid because ME2 is stupid, and they need to stay dead.

 

Why are you even here?

[10K]

I really wish people would stop pretending that ME3 ruined Cerberus. Cerberus was stupid in ME2. Maybe even more so when you consider what they were in ME1. And "moral ambiguity" isn't a strong or unique trait when it's constantly changed. Throughout ME2 you're presented with details and moments that paint TIM in a largely positive light because BioWare didn't have the guts to make to Cerberus what it claimed to be. You can't have a pro-human group that isn't anti-alien(just like a pro-white group can't also be pro-minority). You can't have a morally gray character who lets traditional morals guide his actions. And for God's sake, you can't have an organization with endless resources and influence that can't even hire a squad of mercenaries on their own.
 
Cerberus is stupid because ME2 is stupid, and they need to stay dead.

Cerberus themselves never claimed to be pro-human, firstly Cerberus was always a paramilitary group. As you can see with the experiments they do on humans as well as aliens. So illusive man ambiguity was nice for his character, he wasn't an alien hater as so many believed, he had aliens work in his employ. He even slept with them. Ever since the illusive man's run in with the reaper artifact in the Evolution comics he was always seeking ways to better humanity because he saw the arrival of the reapers. That's why his eyes are the way they are. He was always readying Cerberus for the inevitable, no matter the cost to humans or aliens. That's when and why he printed the Manifesto of Cerberus. To recruit soldiers to help save humanity from the inevitable, Reaper(alien) rule.

He was painted in a good light because he was an alliance soldier who served in the first contact war. You know the war that started because the turains opened fire on human explorers without trying to even make contact with them, because of a misunderstanding about relay 314. He was a patriot, So his bias is a bit understandable. But mainly if you read the Evaluation comics you'd know he was only scared of the reaper arrival, remember he had first hand knowledge the reapers were coming, and he was going to try his best no matter what to stop them. That's also the reason why you are able to converse with the illusive man at the end of 3, and he understood his shortcomings. He understood he failed humanity.

This was someone who lived in a time before humans were even part of the galactic community and who knew the reapers where coming before Shepard was even in the picture. So how was he suppose to react, talk to the council about the vision he had; when during this time humans weren't trusted. Oh that worked out so well for Shepard. Or rely on his own species, people he could trust, to help him in his endeavor?

[Guanxii]

Hate Cerberus as much as the next person and would glady leave them behind but it makes sense from a like minded perspective that humanity will need a 'Cerberus' of sorts out there more than ever to ensure it's survival at the expense of other species if need be.

The formal Cerberus brand/identity is well and truly dead though - there's no coming back from ME3 - they need to return to their roots, especially without corporate funding.

The idea is pervasive though. I imagine Cerberus was not the first of their kind, and will not be the last either.

[fchopin]

No more Cerberus rubbish.

[Blooddrunk1004]

No thanks, Cerberus was already shoehorned enough in ME3.

What was a small black ops group that gets introduced in first game suddenly becomes a Galactic Empire capable off doing full on invasions on Citadel, planets and they pose even more threat than Reapers do. I never wanna see them ever again.

[SKAR]

With all the various people and viewpoints that got sucked into the Illusive Man's big organization, and all the various corporations funding Cerberus, it seems impossible that, after the Reaper War, the organization would vanish completely. "Cerberus is an idea," as the Illusive Man put it. So it seems likely that Cerberus would still be around in one form or another at the time of Andromeda. The question is, in what form?

This might be an interesting avenue to consider for Andromeda or future games for several reasons. For one, it could be used to address the frankly hamhanded handling of Cerberus in ME3--the Illusive Man's decisions in that game clash with the moral ambiguity of ME2, but a revived Cerberus could revive that ambiguity and separate it somewhat from the specific character of the Illusive Man. It could also be used to add more meaning to the Collector Base decision in an unexpected way: perhaps some technology from the base would have been preserved and researched by this group. It would also allow the player another chance to make real roleplay choices regarding their character's stance on pro-human/anti-alien matters, something that Commander Shepard only really had significant input on in the first game. It could also allow for something related to Overlord's option to give David to Cerberus in a similar way, not necessarily involving the character but the VI/geth research.

Factors to consider:
- Because Cerberus was for all intents and purposes on the Reaper's side from what the galaxy at large could tell, it's unlikely they'll continue using the same name or emblem. However, a new pro-human black ops group that managed to retain some of Cerberus's resources and is backed by Cerberus's old fronts could make a resurgence. (Hail Hydra?)
- Given that Cerberus and the Terra Firma Party in their current forms existed more because humanity as a whole was new to the galactic stage and not used to aliens, examining New!Cerberus would give us a chance to see how those old prejudices evolve over time.

Anyone up for some good old-fashioned spitballing and speculation?

Doubt it but I'm kind of hoping we're not done with Cerberus but considering we have a blank slate I don't expect them.

[Atomkick]

space nazis

 

And Mark Meer would be their badass leader. 

 

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[Han Shot First]

Cerberus should be dead and gone in the aftermath of ME3. The organization surviving in any serious capacity after it played the role of galactic Judas, nearly causing humanity's extinction, would be implausible. The Cerverus "brand" should be as damaged and loathed as the Nazi party today, if not more so.

That isn't to say that there couldn't be similar organizations that share a humanity first political agenda, but they shouldn't be Cerberus.

Also, the writers really wore out Cerberus' welcome with the Shepard trilogy. They were writers pets, and I'm not sure Andromeda would benefit at all by having them return.

[10K]

Cerberus should be dead and gone in the aftermath of ME3. The organization surviving in any serious capacity after it played the role of galactic Judas, nearly causing humanity's extinction, would be implausible. The Cerverus "brand" should be as damaged and loathed as the Nazi party today, if not more so.

That isn't to say that there couldn't be similar organizations that share a humanity first political agenda, but they shouldn't be Cerberus.

Also, the writers really wore out Cerberus' welcome with the Shepard trilogy. They were writers pets, and I'm not sure Andromeda would benefit at all by having them return.

Though I agree that there should be another organization, I wouldn't think Cerberus ideals died given I'm sure there are individuals from the organization whom probably made it to the ARK or whatever it is. There organization was pretty big after all, and I'm sure someone would want to began were the illusive man left off. Maybe an organization like that wouldn't be good for Andromeda, but I'm hoping for the rise of an organization similar to Cerberus down the line atleast. Maybe even with a little reform.

[Laughing_Man]

Cerberus should be dead and gone in the aftermath of ME3. The organization surviving in any serious capacity after it played the role of galactic Judas, nearly causing humanity's extinction, would be implausible. The Cerverus "brand" should be as damaged and loathed as the Nazi party today, if not more so.

That isn't to say that there couldn't be similar organizations that share a humanity first political agenda, but they shouldn't be Cerberus.

Also, the writers really wore out Cerberus' welcome with the Shepard trilogy. They were writers pets, and I'm not sure Andromeda would benefit at all by having them return.

 

The way Cerberus was handled was truly unfortunate, I wish such an organization was something more like a like a representation of extreme pragmatism at most, not insane Dr Evil types that couldn't even go through one secret project without it exploding in their faces.

 

That said, realistically speaking, symbols have a tendency to become resurrected and re-used even after the main group that used them died off.

So as much as I don't want to see Cerberus surviving in their current form in Adramada, it kind of makes sense on some level if they do.

[capn233]

I doubt the Ceberus brand would actually be resurrected unless it was just by some extremist loons.  They lost any credibility they may have gained from the defeat of the Collectors with the reports of attacks on civilians and the experiments at Sanctuary.

 

Of course there were plenty of former Cerberus agents who had broken away during the Reaper conflict due to disagreements with the direction TIM was taking them.  Some may still agree with Cerberus's core mission, and it isn't inconceivable they would create another group with another name that is supposed to protect humanity.