It has its time and place.
It has it time and place? What are you talking about. The lore is all the facts about the game itself, without it there would be nothing. Lore is the foundation for every game essentially, especially if we're talking about story driven games. This is what's wrong with EAware games now, they ignore the lore of their games and their stories end up contradicting each other.
Actually there was important lore in the evolution comics, like how the first contact war started and the events that taken place during that time. Not to mention glimpses of Paliven and the first place EAware introduced the a female turian. But it seems lore don't mean much in these forums these days
I am ready to forget the first series. I hope they do something new and not just a rewrite of Sheps story.
Just sayin when I look at the forums I don't see a whole lot of "lore" bein discussed. As for games they need to keep true to it. That one ME book contradicted a whole lot of crap that happened. That made me upset.It has it time and place? What are you talking about? The lore is all the facts about the game itself, without it there would be nothing. Lore is the foundation for every game essentially, especially if we're talking about story driven games. This is what's wrong with EAware games now, they ignore the lore and the stories of their games contradict each other.
I still don't see why we need a human supremacist group in this game.
The writers; and ergo the rules of the universe; already sate that: "Humanity is the best at everything!" Why do we need some other organization spouting the same thing?
It's like have a group of people running around proclaiming that water is wet. Duh, its a given fact. You are only wasting everyones' time trying to make a point that is already common knowledge.
Okay those were things he said, but tell me when has the illusive man ever stated Cerberus was a Pro-human organization. The lore express them as a human-survivalist paramilitary group. You know why? Because they were getting ready for the reaper invasion which TIM knew about before anyone else. His goal was the survival of the human race. Again he started this organization in a time were humans weren't trusted by the other races, so ofcourse he had his biases. TIM has never said Cerberus was a pro-human organization, if they were he wouldn't have aliens in his employ, but he does. The illusive man only expressed his opinions. His opinions were never Cerberus goals.
Obviously you never read the evolution comics.
We are not superior but compared to the rest we are unique. I mean we are human. The Asari have power, The Turians have the largest fleet, bigger than the Asari and salarians combined, and salarians and quarians are geniuses when it comes to technology.I still don't see why we need a human supremacist group in this game.
The writers; and ergo the rules of the universe; already sate that: "Humanity is the best at everything!" Why do we need some other organization spouting the same thing?
It's like have a group of people running around proclaiming that water is wet. Duh, its a given fact. You are only wasting everyones' time trying to make a point that is already common knowledge.
So your argument is that the views of the person who created and controls Cerberus have no impact on Cerberus, even though he states those views as the goals of Cerberus? And you just choose to ignore all of the things TIM said about "human dominance"?
Do people ever tell you you're "special"?
The Mass Effect comics are atrocious. No one should read them.
Not true but compared to the rest we are unique. I mean we are human. The Asari have power, The Turians have the largest fleet, bigger than the Asari and salarians combined, and salarians are geniuses when it comes to technology.
If by unique you mean better, then yes.
The Asari hordes technology from the Protheans, whereas humanity makes their own advances and therefore isn't reliant on it for their power like they are. The Turians have the largest fleet, but humanity is better equipped and tactfully minded than them; lets not forget that apparently everyone else in the milky way was too stupid to come up with the concept of a carrier class ship except humanity. The Salarians are the mad scientists of the galaxy, and yet humanity is the one to come up with a universal medical treatment in the form of medi gel. The Volus created and manage the galactic economy, but humanity is soundly dominating the market. Etc.
By the end of the trilogy humanity was at the forefront of everything, and every other known species in the galaxy recognized our superiority and deferred to our judgment. Heck the whole driving force behind ME 3 was to convince all the other species to drop what they were doing and help us "Take Back Earth"; the Crucible was an afterthought most of the time, and the allied forces were planning on pushing to liberate the human homeworld long before the Reapers moved the Citadel into orbit thereby giving an actual plot reason to go there.
So yes (IMO), having a "Humanity first!" group is redundant in this universe.
every species is unique. I never said humans were better. That was Cerberus who said we should be superior. At the end of the day we're all the same. We fought the same fight against a common enemy. And besides we are human anyway. Look in the mirror. I'm not against having other playable species but unlike the races in DA there's not a whole lot you can do for customization for a turian or Krogan like you can for us.If by unique you mean better, then yes.
The Asari hordes technology from the Protheans, whereas humanity makes their own advances. The Turians have the largest fleet, but humanity is better equipped and tactfully minded than them; lets not forget that apparently everyone else in the milky way was too stupid to come up with the concept of a carrier class ship except humanity. The Salarians are the mad scientists of the galaxy, and yet humanity is the one to come up with a universal medical treatment in the form of medi gel. The Volus created and manage the galactic economy, but humanity is soundly dominating the market. Etc.
By the end of the trilogy humanity was at the forefront of everything, and every other known species in the galaxy recognized our superiority and deferred to our judgment. Heck the whole driving force behind ME 3 was to convince all the other species to drop what they were doing and help us "Take Back Earth"; the Crucible was an afterthought most of the time, and the allied forces were planning on pushing to liberate the human homeworld long before the Reapers moved the Citadel into orbit thereby giving an actual plot reason to go there.
So yes (IMO), having a "Humanity first!" group is redundant in this universe.
every species is unique. I never said humans were better. That was Cerberus who said we should be superior. At the end of the day we're all the same. We fought the same fight against a common enemy.
Not just Cerberus. The Reapers also say repeatedly that humanity is better, and alien characters like Mordin praise parts of humanity like how we are the most genetically diverse(which is utter nonsense, we aren't even the most genetically diverse on our own planet let alone the galaxy), and then Bioware themselves by making humans do in years or a couple decades what took other races centuries, mellennium, or have yet to achieve.
every species is unique. I never said humans were better. That was Cerberus who said we should be superior. At the end of the day we're all the same. We fought the same fight against a common enemy. And besides we are human anyway. Look in the mirror. I'm not against having other playable species but unlike the races in DA there's not a whole lot you can do for customization for a turian or Krogan like you can for us.
Except that, according to the the writers, humanity is the most unique, and that in their eyes, more unique = better. It's like a group of children playing a game of superheroes out on the playground and you have that one kid that says they always have the best power that is automatically better than everyone else's.
Humanity, in the ME setting is that kid.
Sure the other species had their own little niches, but time after time we have been shown that humanity is better at those same areas. Its really a crazy duality to the games when you think about it, on one hand the writers want to depict humanity as the underdog newcomers, but on the other hand they repeatedly showcase us triumphing over other species, who in many cases, have thousands more years worth of experience and infrastructure than we do.
We have genetic potential and special traits that can be used to make a reaper capital ship. Lore tells us that the reapers harvest a single race for capital ships and others are turned into destroyers. We just happen to be that race. Oh how lucky we are. We are going to be mass slaughtered by reapers. We're so special! We have prowess in combat and fleets that can match that of Turians. We are just another race. Krogans have multiple organs. We don't. Asari have natural biotic ability. We don't. Every race is unique. We are not the APEX race. It's like the difference between Americans, the British, the Canadian, or the French. Humans, dwarves, elves, qunari,etc.
Not just Cerberus. The Reapers also say repeatedly that humanity is better, and alien characters like Mordin praise parts of humanity like how we are the most genetically diverse(which is utter nonsense, we aren't even the most genetically diverse on our own planet let alone the galaxy), and then Bioware themselves by making humans do in years or a couple decades what took other races centuries, mellennium, or have yet to achieve.
I may not like leaving the Milky Way, but I would love leaving the human-centric ego-stroking plot lines behind.
The Reapers also say repeatedly that humanity is better.
ME1?I remember the time when the reapers never said that. The time when they were still cool...
Humanity was the prime choice for reaperization. Shepard proved that and our genetics are also interesting. How lucky are we that we're going to be mass slaughtered and turned into a reaper.I remember the time when the reapers never said that. The time when they were still cool...
. I see nothing special in humanity other than were just another race with perks.
We are just another race. Krogans have multiple organs. We don't. Asari have natural biotic ability. We don't. Every race is unique. We are not the APEX race.
The Krogan have to rely on handouts from the rest of the galaxy as to not go extinct both during the Genophage and in the curing of it. We beat every other species at their own game without any outside help.
The Asari have a natural potential for biotics. We have Jack, the most powerful biotic in existence.
The Volus are in charge of, and created the rules for the galactic economy, and they have had two thousand more years worth of experience in interstellar/interspecies trade. We are dominating the market and standing toe to toe with alien corporations despite being only part of said galactic economy for less than thirty years.
Etc.
(IMO) We are the APEX race. If you want to look at the true underdogs of the setting, you should set your sights on the Rachni, Elcor, and Hanar.
All this Cerberus hate from low-level xenophile deviants.
Andromeda must be purged.
You are clearly a traitor to the Empire and the God emperor! Kill the Heretics!
Jack is as strong as asari, and we don't nearly have enough money to be their equal.The Krogan have to rely on handouts from the rest of the galaxy as to not go extinct both during the Genophage and in the curing of it. We beat every other species at their own game without any outside help.
The Asari have a natural potential for biotics. We have Jack, the most powerful biotic in existence.
The Volus are in charge of, and created the rules for the galactic economy, and they have had two thousand more years worth of experience in interstellar/interspecies trade. We are dominating the market and standing toe to toe with alien corporations despite being only part of said galactic economy for less than thirty years.
Etc.
(IMO) We are the APEX race. If you want to look at the true underdogs of the setting, you should set your sights on the Rachni, Elcor, and Hanar.
Jack is as strong as asari, and we don't nearly have enough money to be their equal.
Jack, a twenty something human being as strong as a thousand year old Asari Matriarch that has dedicated her entire life to honing her natural biotic talent is still a sure sign of human superiority.
Monetarily no, but we are running circles around Volus holdings that have held a prominent place in the galaxy for hundreds if not thousands of years, and the Volus are trying to play catchup to our rate of investment and profit returns.
Considering the Asari are the apex of biotic power I'd say equal. There is no "human superiority".Jack, a twenty something human being as strong as a thousand year old Asari Matriarch that has dedicated her entire life to honing her natural biotic talent is still a sure sign of human superiority.
Monetarily no, but we are running circles around Volus holdings that have held a prominent place in the galaxy for hundreds if not thousands of years, and the Volus are trying to play catchup to our rate of investment and profit returns.
He never stated those views as Cerberus goals, Cerberus goals were to prepare for the reaper invasion. Not human dominance, those atrocious comics would have told you that.
His goal was to prepare for reapers and put humanity on top. It can be both.. Too bad he got indoctrinated. Play with fire you get burned. The comics are a good read too. But yeah he wanted humanity on top mostly but he wanted to stop the reapers. Why do you think he put all that money into resources just to bring him back to life? He did want the reapers power and he was seduced by it in the end. He did it because of humanity's survival.Sorry, but that's total BS. TIM and everyone who knows anything about Cerberus always bring up human dominance, human control of the galaxy, and human interests. If all Cerberus was about was preparing for the Reaper invasion then they wouldn't be operating like criminals and constantly going on and on about human this and humanity that. Those comics suck, the games never say Cerberus' sole function is preparing for the Reaper invasion, and the games tell us over and over that Cerberus is all about human dominance.
You're wrong. End of story.
TIM and Shepard are more similar than I thought lol.he had aliens work in his employ. He even slept with them.
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