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[Helios969]

I'd be okay if Cerberus returned, but only if they've since morphed into a voice for sapient rights, fighting for the disenfranchised members of the Ark...because irony.

[Vortex13]

I agree with Han and Sifr that I'd prefer the Ark project not be of human origin, conceptually speaking. I suspect something this big will take every species in the galactic community to accomplish, but I do hope the concept wasn't one that originated solely with us. I don't get as turned off by humanity being the "species of destiny" as some do, but I do have my limits. For the sake of verisimilitude, it would be nice to see the Asari and Salarians accomplish something significant, again. It's been 1400 years or so since they've made any waves.

The writers need to be careful with their human-supremacy stuff. Liara explained how and why the galactic community viewed us as bullies shortly after we first met her. We strive to achieve our goals and let nothing stand in our way. We've already, in a few decades, amassed a powerful military that is second only to the Turians (and that likely due solely to treaty limitations). We have a powerhouse economy that has fully integrated into the galactic community. We've become a Citadel Council species, which some species have yet to achieve in over a thousand years of effort. We've already begun fielding powerful combat biotics, after barely understanding biotics a couple of decades ago. And, of course, we had the most famous SPECTRE of all time, who saved the galaxy from the Reapers.

At this rate, with even a minor timeline jump, we will have advanced far beyond the lesser species of the MW, right? Of course, that's not the game most of us want to play. The writers really do need to be more careful with the "humanity is super special" stuff.

 

 

Agreed, though I will say that I have a rather low threshold for a particular "species of destiny" as you put it, in my fiction, it just takes me out of the setting.

 

More than that, it winds up just making the other parts of the given universe seem like a waste. I mean why spend the time thinking up all of these other aliens and creating background lore for them if they are ultimately destined play second fiddle to ubersmench humanity for all eternity? And those are just the major aliens.

 

God help you if you are are something like an Elcor or Hanar in the Mass Effect setting. You'd be literally better off killing yourself since the rules of setting considers your entire species to be worthless, or at best a running joke, in the eyes of the rest of the galaxy.

[dreamgazer]

I'd anticipate a group made up of Cerberus and Terra Firma loyalists in Andromeda.

[Dean_the_Young]

Cerberus should be dead and gone in the aftermath of ME3. The organization surviving in any serious capacity after it played the role of galactic Judas, nearly causing humanity's extinction, would be implausible. The Cerverus "brand" should be as damaged and loathed as the Nazi party today, if not more so.

 

 

Just going to throw out- Neo-Nazis are totally a thing.

 

Considering the abstract that Cerberus filled- human xeno-nationalists in a galaxy set up along nakedly xeno-nationalist lines (which is why 'the Asari' or 'the Salarians' even makes sense)- I'd be more surprised if we don't see a human nationalist element. Even if 'Cerberus' would be a well-deserved slur.

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There is no point to the organization or idea in a colonist fleet heading to another galaxy searching for a new home.

 

Cerberus existed because of available infrastructure and the financial backing of a billionaire running the outfit. The colony fleet arriving in the Helius Cluster has no infrastructure nor a financial backer.  There is no chance in hell that Cerberus or the idea will be found in Andromeda.

 

Remember, Bio itself said it's a new story with new characters devoid from the events in the MW galaxy.

 

I disagree, since political differences will exist even within the colonization fleet. Who's settlement needs get priority? How are resources allocated amongst the species? Will the species get their own colony worlds? If so, who gets which in what order?

 

As long as there are political questions drawn along xeno-national lines- and I'd be surprised if the milky way races drop that entirely, considering how colonization politics have carried over through history- there will always be a basis and reason for a group like Cerberus.

 

Mind you, I'd expect/prefer any neo-Cerberus to be a shadowy cabal of human-interest power brokers, not a paramilitary force in and of themselves. Let it be diplomats, politicians, and businesses working in concert as a conspiracy, or 'the Human lobby', rather than the plot clay it was in the ME trilogy. Let 'Cerberus' be a slander to accuse them by, even if as they're so far removed from it that it'd be impossible to say they're the same.

 

As far as the original/'real' Cerberus goes, I'd appreciate if Cerberus fronts had a hand in creating the project (and getting humans on board). I'm far more ambivalent about any linger presence. Like I said- I'd prefer a secretive human-lobby that could be tarred with the label, rather than Cerberus redux itself.

 

I don't disagree, but I'm hoping humans weren't the primary player in putting the Ark project together. Since humans were responsible for the start of the Crucible project, the Ark should be an alien idea, particularly since the series has had a tendency to dive head first into the humans are special trope.

I'd have the Ark be something that was built during the Rachni Wars by the Asari and Salarians, before the uplifting of Krogan tipped the scales, and later mothballed as the tide turned. The Asari Councilor's dialogue about needing to make preparations for the continuance iof galactic civilization, after she's told the Crucible project was potentially sabotaged, could be used to link ME3 to Andromeda.

Since the Reaper War wasn't the first time the Council species faced a potentially apocalyptic war, it would make sense for them to have had a colonize Andromeda contigency plan in place long before humanity joined the galactic community.

 

My personal hope/preference would be for it to be something from Noveria. Noveria, Illium... let it be build in the quasi-legal zones where the Citadel races did their hush-hush secret research and development. It'd give everyone an opportunity to have a role, including humans.

 

As well as Cerberus angle via the corporate fronts, if they wanted.

[Lady Artifice]

Aside from the ending, what else did he write / was responsible for?

 

 

I'm not sure how many things exactly he deserves credit for, but Cerberus' role in ME3 is really the only other reason for my antipathy towards his storytelling style. 

[SKAR]

I'd anticipate a group made up of Cerberus and Terra Firma loyalists in Andromeda.

Or a new group.

[Gwydden]

I'd be okay if Cerberus returned, but only if they've since morphed into a voice for sapient rights, fighting for the disenfranchised members of the Ark...because irony.

I'd be willing to tolerate their return if only to hear a quarian pronounce their name.

 

Cerrrberrrrrruss.

 

Otherwise, NotCerberus could fulfill the same role without the baggage, like some people have suggested.

[Dean_the_Young]

I'd be willing to tolerate their return if only to hear a quarian pronounce their name.

 

Cerrrberrrrrruss.

 

Otherwise, NotCerberus could fulfill the same role without the baggage, like some people have suggested.

 

I think the baggage is relevant, even if NotCerberus really is unrelated. Considering how the galaxy was when the Arc presumably left, it'd be a suitable association to bring up to tar any particularly xeno-nationalistic humans. Think of how sensitive the European political spectrum is to anything remotely to the right when it comes to politics. If you're right of the socialists, it's often treated as a stone's throw from fascism.

 

I think the sort of arrangement I'd prefer is one where Cerberus had a hand in starting the Arc (or the human element), and had infiltration, but that covert agents were so long ago that the modern-day cabal isn't really representing anyone's interests but it's own. Cerberus would be the tar to brush them with, not an actual puppet master.

 

Think, oh, a political set-up where human elements of the Arc have a reputation for openly and covertly advancing 'human' interests. It's not necessarily unique to humans- whatever Council equivalent has everyone looking out for their own faction and not just the greater-good- but it could be frowned upon to have disputes be too open. The importance of a united front, and all that, while this human/these humans in particular are too openly self-interested.

 

Into the game, we'd get a chance to discover the secret history of the founding of the Arc. We find evidence that Cerberus had a hand in the creation, as a contingency plan for the Reapers, and that there were agents smuggled in to protect/advance human interests. These original infiltrators have distant ties to the current pro-human faction, even if the current leaders don't know of it. Either long-dead ancestors (if generation ship), or possible aides/supporters within the human representatives service staff.

 

From there, we could get our RPG moral choices and options on how to handle it.

 

Handing the evidence over to the Council would be the 'Paragon'/pro-Council/anti-humanism angle, who then publish it openly. The human interest faction is discredited, purged, and replaced by someone more amiable to the Council (and less inclined to argue human interests). Human interest advocates are tarred by association with Cerberus.

 

The 'Renegade'/pro-Human angle is to hide the truth, because it's irrelevant: the current leaders aren't tied to Cerberus, don't know of the ties, and have their own views honestly. Human establish status quo continues, as inconvenient as that can be.

 

A mixed/third-way might be to keep the secret, but blackmail the pro-human faction into moderating their policies and rhetoric. They're still in power, and still push more, but aren't discredited or purged.

[The One True Nobody]

I really wish people would stop pretending that ME3 ruined Cerberus. Cerberus was stupid in ME2. Maybe even more so when you consider what they were in ME1. And "moral ambiguity" isn't a strong or unique trait when it's constantly changed. Throughout ME2 you're presented with details and moments that paint TIM in a largely positive light because BioWare didn't have the guts to make to Cerberus what it claimed to be. You can't have a pro-human group that isn't anti-alien(just like a pro-white group can't also be pro-minority). You can't have a morally gray character who lets traditional morals guide his actions. And for God's sake, you can't have an organization with endless resources and influence that can't even hire a squad of mercenaries on their own.

 

Cerberus is stupid because ME2 is stupid, and they need to stay dead.

 

ME2 only has a portrayal of Cerberus that's trying to look positive for Shepard's benefit. That was easy enough to see before ME3 confirmed it: the running theme of ME1's Cerberus was still very much there in the form of Jack's backstory (a character you couldn't miss since she was mandatory), the Overlord DLC, and the reminders that the group still did all of those things you may or may not have seen in ME1 (both imported save dialogue changes and the information you find in a sidequest linking Cerberus to rachni experiments), and the references to Mass Effect: Ascension, which the game includes a small plot synopsis of in the form of a codex entry you can get at a Citadel shop if you didn't read it yourself. The idea isn't that they're meant to be seen as positive, but that the player is supposed to decide for themselves how to interpret what's given. It wasn't really until Mass Effect 3 that Shepard was made into a character who absolutely couldn't voice agreement with pro-human/anti-alien sentiments. That was one of the key factors that made Cerberus less interesting in ME3--the game told the player what Shepard should be thinking, instead of giving the player influence over it.

 

Moral ambiguity doesn't require the possibility that Cerberus be right. It only requires that the player be allowed to think Cerberus might be right without the game or player character telling them otherwise. This is where BioWare dropped the ball with Cerberus.

 

 

I still don't see why we need a human supremacist group in this game.

 

The writers; and ergo the rules of the universe; already sate that: "Humanity is the best at everything!" Why do we need some other organization spouting the same thing?

 

It's like have a group of people running around proclaiming that water is wet. Duh, its a given fact. You are only wasting everyones' time trying to make a point that is already common knowledge.

 

I'm not a huge fan of Mass Effect's "lol humanity is so awesome" bent but that's a separate plot thread from Cerberus and was present in the series before we knew what Cerberus even stood for in the first place. It's also just a general problem with sci-fi stuff, mostly because people in general want to believe the human race would be something special in the grand scheme of things, the same way we want to believe we're so special in the real world as is. Believing that humanity's value wasn't tied to being special and better than everything else would necessitate having to re-think what makes individual people worth anything, and that would mean people would have less justification to be selfish. But I'm getting into a big philosophical tangent now, so let's just move on.

 

Cerberus is the story's call to humility in one's beliefs. The fact of the matter is that "pro-human" is a twisted form of a seemingly righteous cause in the broadest scope that people can identify with. The places where Cerberus's organization defeats its own purpose, both in terms of competence and in terms of just taking their views too far, and in terms of the "we need to put ourselves before EVERYONE and EVERYTHING" idea. It's also a classic case of a "noble" organization that has no problem using racism or other prejudices to bolster its numbers, which was a theme Mass Effect first introduced with the Terra Firma Party (who even Ashley Williams can't stand, because unlike a real xenophobe, she recognizes where the line between watching one's ass and fulfilling an irrational emotional need is). Applying it to the real world in modern times, this can be compared religious fundamentalists, militant atheists, also to militant feminists or men's rights activists, extreme proponents of a given political ideology, activists of any kind that take things too far... to any number of things. "Pro-human" rendered Cerberus and the Terra Firma Party sufficiently anonymous that anyone could see it as similar to the first thing to pop into their head in the real world. That first thing was probably bound to be a form of political activism the individual player disagreed with, but the theme then turned around in ME2 to paint Cerberus as "being on the same side, but with different methods." It then had to be considered as similar to something you agreed with in the real world to be considered at all, as that was the moral position in which Commander Shepard now stood.

 

What makes Cerberus interesting as a plot element is that they serve as a negative counterbalance to Mass Effect's general moral theme of "If humanity were truly in this situation, what mark would they leave on the universe?" Setting aside the Reaper plot itself, Mass Effect is mainly about the player deciding what humanity's place in the galaxy is as a metaphor for one nation among many. Like Cerberus, that broader theme applies to the real world. But the goal of a morally-open game isn't to tell you what to feel about something, it's to let you think about it and play with it and come up with answers on your own, with the idea that a morally-sound person would think about it in a balanced way. That's why Cerberus wasn't outright spelled out as "the bad guy" when you finally got a chance to meet with them. You were given their poker face and enough information to figure them out for yourself.

 

That intent and effect loses a lot of its punch when Cerberus is made the definitive bad guy in a game within the opening act. Even if the Illusive Man's role in the story were to remain the same over the closing acts or even the entire second half of the story, the fact that Shepard was made aware that CERBERUS IS THE ENEMY so early in Mass Effect 3's story shoots the element of player trust versus distrust in the foot. Trust needs time to settle in before being broken for that to be an effective end to a player being allowed to decide how they feel about a character. There's nothing about Cerberus in Mass Effect 3 for the player to really consider. The Illusive Man's statement that the Collector Base would ensure human dominance in the galaxy "against the Reapers and beyond" and Shepard's questioning if this would be "just Cerberus" is more powerful than all the elite armored Cerberus commando squads that ME3 throws at you, not necessarily because Cerberus made more sense, but because it was still a question to which the player wasn't being force-fed the answer.

 

Consider this:

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even at the end, Shepard still had the option to decide that the Illusive Man was right and that controlling the Reapers was the way. This results in Shepard assuming a role of someone who had the power--and would exercise it--to force the universe to comply with his or her ideal, exactly as the Illusive Man would have done. Wouldn't this choice have made a bigger splash, even if the player rejected it, if the last sixty hours of game-time hadn't been filled with "The Illusive Man is dumb because he's pursuing this goal which we are telling you is obviously wrong?" Instead of letting the player really think about the moral implications of using the Reapers to dominate the galaxy--whatever their reason for doing so--the moral choice becomes "Well, are the geth alive this playthrough? ...Crap, guess there's a reason not to want to pick Destroy this time around."

 

Cerberus wasn't perfect as a story element by any means, but it had an interesting part to play. I was disappointed by the missed opportunities in their hamhanded ME3 plot role.

[Display Name Owner]

A Cerberus-esque faction would be fine. In fact, given the whole theme of colonisation it makes sense for there to be a ends justify the means, take all their land, "pro-Milky Way" type group in opposition to a more considerate, conservationist approach.

 

But actually Cerberus? Every piece of ME material except for ME1 (and ME2 because in that case it was understandable) has been absolutely polluted with Cerberus an their unrealistic shenanigans. They began as an interesting group, but enough with them. In fact, imo there's no need for a major focus on humanity itself at this point, which renders Cerberus kind of irrelevant (I hope).

[Mdizzletr0n]

Cerberus themselves never claimed to be pro-human, firstly Cerberus was always a paramilitary group. As you can see with the experiments they do on humans as well as aliens. So illusive man ambiguity was nice for his character, he wasn't an alien hater as so many believed, he had aliens work in his employ. He even slept with them. Ever since the illusive man's run in with the reaper artifact in the Evolution comics he was always seeking ways to better humanity because he saw the arrival of the reapers. That's why his eyes are the way they are. He was always readying Cerberus for the inevitable, no matter the cost to humans or aliens. That's when and why he printed the Manifesto of Cerberus. To recruit soldiers to help save humanity from the inevitable, Reaper(alien) rule.He was painted in a good light because he was an alliance soldier who served in the first contact war. You know the war that started because the turains opened fire on human explorers without trying to even make contact with them, because of a misunderstanding about relay 314. He was a patriot, So his bias is a bit understandable. But mainly if you read the Evaluation comics you'd know he was only scared of the reaper arrival, remember he had first hand knowledge the reapers were coming, and he was going to try his best no matter what to stop them. That's also the reason why you are able to converse with the illusive man at the end of 3, and he understood his shortcomings. He understood he failed humanity.This was someone who lived in a time before humans were even part of the galactic community and who knew the reapers where coming before Shepard was even in the picture. So how was he suppose to react, talk to the council about the vision he had; when during this time humans weren't trusted. Oh that worked out so well for Shepard. Or rely on his own species, people he could trust, to help him in his endeavor?

Yes because racist people have never done either of those things.

Cerberus should stay dead. Like Shepard and co. And as somene else mentioned earler, ME2 as a story in relation to ME1 really is dumb. Why couldn't Shepard say "forget this. I'm going home?" (S)He didn't really owe TIM anything.

[Sartoz]

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One of the leaks strongly suggests there is more than one Outlaw factions. Here is a quote: "...when a Krogan colony ship has been stolen by one of the outlaw factions leaving the colonists stranded without resources to survive,..."

 

Cerberus is not needed and it does give strength to the Bio announcement that Andromeda is a human centric story.

 

We can speculate that Council races are part of the colony fleet and they want the Krogans to be controlled by the genophage.  An "outlaw faction" steals the ship in an attempt to kill them off.

 

Speculation

How will the game react if we don't recruit the Krogan?

[The One True Nobody]

If a group that was rooted in Cerberus's remnants exists in Andromeda, all it would really be was an acknowledgement that Cerberus as it was had existed and left something behind. There's no reason for their remnants to even think exactly the same way, let alone operate the same way. They could be a Cerberus splinter group that formed of the nicer members who were naive about the organization or they could be the remaining racist jerks who survived the war and were too stubborn to let it go. (People are dumb; it would totally happen.) What they became after that point could have zero resemblance to the Cerberus of the trilogy and might not even be called 'Cerberus.' So whether or not Cerberus itself was handled well is a side-issue. Them returning in some form would be as good as a new group operating along similar lines, it would just have a loose plot connection to past events, giving the sense that yesterday's problems have returned yet again in some new form... to quote Shiala.

 

Those kinds of small connections are necessary for Andromeda to feel 'connected' to the trilogy, even if it's moving so far away from familiar territory that it can avoid having to show direct consequences for most of Shepard's actions.

[Hammerstorm]

I think it would be pretty unrealistic if there won't be any kind of factions that is pro-whatever race. there will always be people that is against the other species.

 

I just hope there won't only be the humans that is "the bad guys", why wouldn't the turians, salarians, asari or whatever specie have any factions that think: "Hey, why aren't WE the top guys? we are much better than the other."

[The One True Nobody]

I think it would be pretty unrealistic if there won't be any kind of factions that is pro-whatever race. there will always be people that is against the other species.

 

I just hope there won't only be the humans that is "the bad guys", why wouldn't the turians, salarians, asari or whatever specie have any factions that think: "Hey, why aren't WE the top guys? we are much better than the other."

 

The difference between humanity and the other races was simply that humanity still hadn't adjusted as a species to the idea of other races in the galaxy. While other races had fought wars, won wars, lost wars, and forged diplomatic relations, made enemies, whatever, over a period of centuries or millennia, the human race still had this mindset that their ONE conquered colony was this huge thing and that they needed to DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST THOSE ALIENS. It was a problem of context. If anything, the Reaper War probably beat that particular problem out of them, what with Earth and multiple colony worlds all being invaded.

 

The point is, the idea of living alongside aliens was new to humanity during the trilogy. Probably the most telling thing is the way the series continued to use "aliens" even in situations where the humans clearly weren't in their own parts of space. The word loses its meaning in that context; it means "forein," so the humans themselves would be the "aliens." That's why Xenoblade Chronicles X used "indigens" for the creatures that inhabited the planet Mira. It was the humans' way of acknowledging that they themselves were the outsiders on that planet.

 

The humans in Mass Effect were still looking at their situation as Earth-centric, with everything else being an exotic foreign nation. To a race that was more accustomed to life as a Citadel species, Earth may have been something a little more like their version of New York City, Paris, London, Tokyo, et cetera. Humanity needed to make the transition and this was probably one of the reasons the Council was off-put by their aggressive push for greater influence. It was also this that made groups like the Terra Firma Party look sensible to some people.

[Hammerstorm]

The difference between humanity and the other races was simply that humanity still hadn't adjusted as a species to the idea of other races in the galaxy. While other races had fought wars, won wars, lost wars, and forged diplomatic relations, made enemies, whatever, over a period of centuries or millennia, the human race still had this mindset that their ONE conquered colony was this huge thing and that they needed to DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST THOSE ALIENS. It was a problem of context. If anything, the Reaper War probably beat that particular problem out of them, what with Earth and multiple colony worlds all being invaded.

 

The point is, the idea of living alongside aliens was new to humanity during the trilogy. Probably the most telling thing is the way the series continued to use "aliens" even in situations where the humans clearly weren't in their own parts of space. The word loses its meaning in that context; it means "forein," so the humans themselves would be the "aliens." That's why Xenoblade Chronicles X used "indigens" for the creatures that inhabited the planet Mira. It was the humans' way of acknowledging that they themselves were the outsiders on that planet.

 

The humans in Mass Effect were still looking at their situation as Earth-centric, with everything else being an exotic foreign nation. To a race that was more accustomed to life as a Citadel species, Earth may have been something a little more like their version of New York City, Paris, London, Tokyo, et cetera. Humanity needed to make the transition and this was probably one of the reasons the Council was off-put by their aggressive push for greater influence. It was also this that made groups like the Terra Firma Party look sensible to some people.

 

But we still have that view on earth with different countries and even different cities.

 

And we do have people of other species that have a problem with other species. We do have a asari that think that everybody else then the asari is a waste of space and should stay in their caves. (Even if she does have her reasons)

 

What I mean is that it most likely exist stereotypes of all kinds. And people is not always logical beings that can be reasoned with.

[The One True Nobody]

But we still have that view on earth with different countries and even different cities.

 

And we do have people of other species that have a problem with other species. We do have a asari that think that everybody else then the asari is a waste of space and should stay in their caves. (Even if she does have her reasons)

 

What I mean is that it most likely exist stereotypes of all kinds. And people is not always logical beings that can be reasoned with.

 

Right. But here's the thing: the more "used to" another people we become over time, the less prominent and socially acceptable stereotypes and hostilities become. It's a long, tedious process, and they never actually die, but those views become too muted to affect the larger political situation, barring some big disaster that gives them more fuel. At the time of Mass Effect 1, there were still several people who scoffed at or expressed disdain for inter-species cooperation openly and yet still held important jobs in the Alliance or in politics, and the Alliance's general stance was more one of self-concern and trying to justify that self-concern. There were members of other races that grumbled, but most of the time the grumbling was about humanity acting like they should rule the universe; actually anti-alien non-humans were a rarity outside of the krogan, who had a completely different reason to hate non-krogans.

 

You tended to see more aliens mingling with other species of alien than humans mingling with aliens in town areas, as well. Just a little detail I noticed.

[Sigzy05]

It'll probably be Cerberus with a new name, travelling along with the other people inside the ark. Like the Illusive man said, Cerberus is an idea. And since they started as being Alliance Black Ops wouldn't surprise me if they yet evolved into something else.

[EpicNewb]

It'll probably be Cerberus with a new name, travelling along with the other people inside the ark. Like the Illusive man said, Cerberus is an idea. And since they started as being Alliance Black Ops wouldn't surprise me if they yet evolved into something else.

Given Cerberus unique organization structure some cells must still be around after The Reaper Wars.

 

Cerberus had advanced tech.  Why waste all of those brilliant minds?  I could see the Alliance granting a pardon to former Cerberus scientist if they work for the Alliance.

 

It's unlikely that all Alliance embedded Cerberus operatives got compromised.  Perhaps it was a former Cerberus opertiave that pushed hard for going to Andromeda. 

Cerberus is divided into numerous independent cells which have no knowledge of their counterparts. This ensures that should one cell be compromised, the others would not be captured. Each cell is led by an operative who reports directly to the Illusive Man. Cerberus operates many kinds of cells, ranging from military to political to scientific, but all united under the common goal of advancing humanity. Cerberus also has operatives throughout the Alliance, often embedded in high-ranking positions, giving the Illusive Man constant updates and feeding him information that would otherwise be classified.

[iM3GTR]

Perhaps it was a former Cerberus opertiave that pushed hard for going to Andromeda.

Yes, because that would make sense, the Council saying "Listen, this small time Alliance operative who used to be a terrorist said we should make a big ship and fly to Andromeda. Let's put trillions of credits into building it immediately!"

[The One True Nobody]

The idea that any specific party had to "push" for going to Andromeda is a bit of a reach. The fact is that once the Reapers were dead, the galaxy not only had to repair the Relays to get itself going again, it also had to accept that it had been reliant on technology that the Reapers had seeded the galaxy with in order to keep them from developing outside of predefined lines. When a society becomes aware that it's being manipulated, the response is usually a kneejerk resistance. Leaving the Milky Way and finding a way to another galaxy would be the ultimate act of rebellion against the Reapers and their cycle. If Shepard picked the Control function when activating the Catalyst, it could also be society's attempt to leave his/her sphere of influence, because who the hell would want to be policed by a bunch of Reapers?

 

In a simpler sense, though, at some point the civilizations of the galaxy need to find a way to expand farther, and attempting a extra-galactic travel and colonization to a galactic society is more or less like leaving the solar system to a global society. It seems impossible but as technology advances, at some point, you have to try it.

[Sigzy05]

Given Cerberus unique organization structure some cells must still be around after The Reaper Wars.

 

Cerberus had advanced tech.  Why waste all of those brilliant minds?  I could see the Alliance granting a pardon to former Cerberus scientist if they work for the Alliance.

 

It's unlikely that all Alliance embedded Cerberus operatives got compromised.  Perhaps it was a former Cerberus opertiave that pushed hard for going to Andromeda. 

 

I'm not sure I understand your point XD I only said it would not be surprising if they changed name

[EpicNewb]

Yes, because that would make sense, the Coincil saying "Listen, this small time Alliance operative who used to be a terrorist said we should make a big ship and fly to Andromeda. Let's put trillions of credits into building it immediately!"

Your idea is stupid.

 

1) You think embedded CerbOps would still remain with the Alliance instead of run off after their ties to Cerberus are exposed.

 

2) We're finding a new home for humanity in this game.  The Alliance doesn't need to pitch the idea to the Council. 

[EpicNewb]

The idea that any specific party had to "push" for going to Andromeda is a bit of a reach. The fact is that once the Reapers were dead, the galaxy not only had to repair the Relays to get itself going again, it also had to accept that it had been reliant on technology that the Reapers had seeded the galaxy with in order to keep them from developing outside of predefined lines. When a society becomes aware that it's being manipulated, the response is usually a kneejerk resistance. Leaving the Milky Way and finding a way to another galaxy would be the ultimate act of rebellion against the Reapers and their cycle. If Shepard picked the Control function when activating the Catalyst, it could also be society's attempt to leave his/her sphere of influence, because who the hell would want to be policed by a bunch of Reapers?

 

In a simpler sense, though, at some point the civilizations of the galaxy need to find a way to expand farther, and attempting a extra-galactic travel and colonization to a galactic society is more or less like leaving the solar system to a global society. It seems impossible but as technology advances, at some point, you have to try it.

Hardly.

 

The info we got clearly states our mission is to find a new home for humanity.

 

Humans would fight for that idea especially Cerberus.

 

In ME2, Cerberus was eager to go on an exploration.  Given the organization's history why wouldn't they be eager to head into Andromeda.

[The One True Nobody]

Hardly.

 

The info we got clearly states our mission is to find a new home for humanity.

 

Humans would fight for that idea especially Cerberus.

 

In ME2, Cerberus was eager to go on an exploration.  Given the organization's history why wouldn't they be eager to head into Andromeda.

 

You know who else was eager for that and would fight for it?

 

Colonists.