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[potentialfood]

 

[Anacronian Stryx]

[Scarlett]

 

Because I adore Black Widow and especially that version of her on Captain America 2

 

 

and because I love Vanessa Ives' messy buns

[Fogg]

[Dekibra]

 

liked for Ripley

[Han Shot First]

I dunno. Any enemy strong enough to grab someone's hair and yank their scalp off their skull could probably do the same to Tom Cruise's character. But I guess that's kind of irrelevant against a swarm of killer land squids that shoot javelins.

Any modern (or futuristic) soldier who has become so unarmed that they're reduced to hair pulling is probably not long for the world anyway.

[Han Shot First]

 

He should als be used as the model for RenRyder, personality wise.

[frylock23]

I'd like some nice, tousled short dos and some nice longer up dos. And I know it's wishful thinking, but if we get an off-duty outfit, I'd like off-duty hair too.

[Shechinah]

Curly ponytails and buns!

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[ApocAlypsE007]

Impractical for modern combat, but I don't play games for realism.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Any modern (or futuristic) soldier who has become so unarmed that they're reduced to hair pulling is probably not long for the world anyway.

 

 

So you're completely ruling out hand to hand combat just like that? Why do modern soldiers train for unarmed combat then? 

Because it can absolutely happen, and if it happens you'll be caught with your pants down because you did not prepare for this situation. 

 

Long hair discussions always remind me of this: 

 

 

kek

[Han Shot First]

So you're completely ruling out hand to hand combat just like that? Why do modern soldiers train for unarmed combat then?

Because it can absolutely happen, and if it happens you'll be caught with your pants down because you did not prepare for this situation.

Hand-to hand combat happens, but it is exceedingly rare. Of all the incidents of it In recent years that I can recall hearing about, they also all involved bayonets fixed to rifles or combat knives.

If someone is reduced to having to fight for survival with their bare hands in modern war, something it is fair to say *almost* never happens, they have much bigger problems to worry about than hair length.

Modern military hair regs have nothing to do with hand to hand combat. It is an effort at disease prevention, since lice and fleas are easier to manage with very short / partially shaved hair. Stick someone in muddy holes in the ground for months or years on end, there is a decent chance they're going to have problems with the same parasites that plague the local wildlife.

Lice were a major problem during the First World War, where a booming rat population (fattened on the supply of corpses in No Man's Land), infected the men manning the trenches with fleas and lice and all the nasty diseases they carry. Modern military hair regs evolved out of those experiences in the first half of the 20th Century.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Hand-to hand combat happens, but it is exceedingly rare. Of all the incidents of it In recent years that I can recall hearing about, they also all involved bayonets fixed to rifles or combat knives.

If someone is reduced to having to fight for survival with their bare hands in modern war, something it is fair to say *almost* never happens, they have much bigger problems to worry about than hair length.

Modern military hair regs have nothing to do with hand to hand combat. It is an effort at disease prevention, since lice and fleas are easier to manage with very short / partially shaved hair. Lice were a major problem during the First World War.

 

Yes, but hair is one more thing to grab onto, or get caught in something. If you think scalp and facial hair is not a problem in hand to hand fights then you haven't seen many hand to hand fights. 

 

And ''exceedingly rare'' does not matter. Exceedingly rare things kill people every single day. Prepare for it because if it can happen it will happen to someone somewhere sometime. That could be you.It makes a lot of sense if preparing for this situation is relatively easy and it can mean the difference between life or death. (preparing for hand to hand fights in general)

 

Heck, I carry a knife every single day, the chances that I'll ever have to pull it, let alone use it, are extremely slim. But carrying the knife is easy, and when I need it I NEED it. So there is no reason not to carry one, despite the fact that I'll probably never need it. 

[Laughing_Man]

Hand-to hand combat happens, but it is exceedingly rare. Of all the incidents of it In recent years that I can recall hearing about, they also all involved bayonets fixed to rifles or combat knives.

 

It happens slightly more often in altercations between police and criminals, typically as surprise blitz attacks either with a knife, improvised melee weapon, or fists. It also happens when terrorists use melee weapons to attack civilians police or military.

 

In both cases, trying to reach for a firearm is usually futile unless it is already in hand and preferably aimed in the right direction.

Police forces are taught to respond in hand-to-hand until they can create enough space to pull out a gun without endangering themselves or losing it.

[Laughing_Man]

Heck, I carry a knife every single day, the chances that I'll ever have to pull it, let alone use it, are extremely slim. But carrying the knife is easy, and when I need it I NEED it. So there is no reason not to carry one, despite the fact that I'll probably never need it. 

 

Do you carry the knife as a self-defense weapon? Are you trained to use it in this way?

I know that in many countries carrying a knife is more trouble than it's worth legally, even in self defense situations.

[Laughing_Man]

Yes, but hair is one more thing to grab onto, or get caught in something. If you think scalp and facial hair is not a problem in hand to hand fights then you haven't seen many hand to hand fights. 

 

And ''exceedingly rare'' does not matter. Exceedingly rare things kill people every single day. Prepare for it because if it can happen it will happen to someone somewhere sometime. That could be you. It makes a lot of sense if preparing for this situation is relatively easy and it can mean the difference between life or death. (preparing for hand to hand fights in general)

 

I agree with this idea, and the fact is that most soldiers in combat roles don't have long hair or beards. The exception are special forces units that grow facial hair to blend in more easily behind enemy lines.

 

It's not only in regards to hand-to-hand either, a long beard / hair can get in the way of doing something, can get tangled in something in an inopportune moment, etc.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Do you carry the knife as a self-defense weapon? Are you trained to use it in this way?

I know that in many countries carrying a knife is more trouble than it's worth legally, even in self defense situations.

 

Yes, I'm trained to use it and I'm completely respecting the local laws of course. This is my carry knife: 

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[Laughing_Man]

Yes, I'm trained to use it and I'm completely respecting the local laws of course. This is my carry knife: 

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Hmm... the size seems comfortable to carry and effective enough, although a bigger knife will probably add to the intimidation factor,

which may allow you to avoid actually using it even if you have to draw it.

 

I actually have a similar knife, even if I don't really carry it due to local laws.

[Han Shot First]

Yes, but hair is one more thing to grab onto, or get caught in something. If you think scalp and facial hair is not a problem in hand to hand fights then you haven't seen many hand to hand fights.

And ''exceedingly rare'' does not matter. Exceedingly rare things kill people every single day. Prepare for it because if it can happen it will happen to someone somewhere sometime. That could be you.It makes a lot of sense if preparing for this situation is relatively easy and it can mean the difference between life or death. (preparing for hand to hand fights in general)

Heck, I carry a knife every single day, the chances that I'll ever have to pull it, let alone use it, are extremely slim. But carrying the knife is easy, and when I need it I NEED it. So there is no reason not to carry one.

How many hand-to-hand fights have you been involved in? To be clear I mean strictly within a military context. I seriously doubt anyone in this forum has ever been involved in one, because they're exceedingly rare. In a decade of war in Afghanistan and Iraq there have maybe been a half dozen or so incidents. Bayonets are far more likely to be used to open MREs or crates of 40mm grenades than they are for combat. None of those recent incidents of hand to hand combat, as far as I can recall, involved bare knuckle brawling.

Most military hand-to-hand combat training is also focused on the bayonet. Sure, you get some basic training in takedowns and chokeholds and the like, and when I went through basic you had to box people in the other platoons, but it isn't the primary focus.

If the people who fought hand-to hand for a living, back before the advent of modern firearms, didn't think long hair was too much of a liability, than it probably wasn't. All combat, including the hand to hand variety, involves weapons. The long-haired Spartans, Vikings, and Samurai were fighting with spears and swords, not their bare hands.

I get what you're saying about long hair potentially being a liability if someone is trying to grapple you, but that's more of an issue with bar brawls or MMA fights or police work, since war has always involved weapons, and if you're unarmed...something has gone terribly wrong and you're probably going to die anyway.

I prefer short hair and clean shaves / trimmed beards for military characters in the ME universe, but that's just because I think it helps better establish a military atmosphere aboard a military ship than a bunch of characters who look like they're about to sell you a latte. It's easier to suspend disbelief and get immersed in fictional settings when characters look the parts they're playing.

I'm not sure the argument that long hair is unrealistic, because it poses a risk during hand to hand combat, works though. Besides the arguments against that being much of a liability in war, soldiers and Marines in the ME 'verse wear helmets that cover their entire head. There should be no hair to grab, no matter how long they normally wear it.

[Giant ambush beetle]

If the people who fought hand-to hand for a living, back before the advent of modern firearms, didn't think long hair was too much of a liability, than it probably wasn't. All combat, including the hand to hand variety, involves weapons. The long-haired Spartans, Vikings, and Samurai were fighting with spears and swords, not their bare hands.

As you might recall, I mentioned that people back in the days used many strategies, equipment, tactics and weaponry that was far from ideal even back in that period. Religious doctrine, arrogance, tradition, proudness and showing-off played a huge role back then and it ultimately handicapped the people in many ways. I'm very sure thousands of people back then died due those questionable decisions and ideas. 

 

I get what you're saying about long hair potentially being a liability if someone is trying to grapple you, but that's more of an issue with bar brawls or MMA fights, since war has always involved weapons

MMA doesn't allow pulling on hair or clothes.
Anyway, war has always involved weapons, and like with absolutely everything in this world you have to prepare for losing them.

 

There is no excuse for not learning how to defend yourself effectively without a weapon. Absolutely None.
Unless you can predict the future you better be prepared for unlikely events, especially if its easy to prepare yourself for them. 
 

and if you're unarmed...something has gone terribly wrong and you're probably going to die anyway.

Exactly, that's why you have to increase your odds of survival with more unarmed combat training. You have to be prepared to get back on your feet immediately after having totally screwed up. 

Our military even teaches how to disarm opponents armed with assault rifles and how to push in their throats in the process. 

 

 

BAM! Suddenly, more hair suggestions! 

 

[Lady Artifice]

If it sounded like I oppose ''impractical'' haircuts in ME:A I need to clarify here and now that I love options. The more hair styles the better! I'm totally with the guys and girls that want all kinds of long and semi-long hairstyles, even if I wont be using them. The more flexible the CC gets the better.  

 

That short hair cuts  are boring is a popular misconception though, if you give it enough thought you can come up with a multitude of different short hairstyles.

It doesn't always have to be either bald or buzzcut. There is neat, messy, undercut etc. 

 

 

But why would that even be a concern in the ME franchise? In combat, everyone is wearing helmets. 

[Kapilux]

[Giant ambush beetle]

But why would that even be a concern in the ME franchise? In combat, everyone is wearing helmets.

Its more of a head canon / immersion thing, maybe we will be fighting without armor at some point in the story, who knows.

Most of the discussion wasn't really aimed at ME directly though.

[Lady Artifice]

Fair, but when it comes to ME specifically it seems like it makes very little difference whether hair is long or short. You've got long range weapons and armor. 

[sjsharp2011]

Fair, but when it comes to ME specifically it seems like it makes very little difference whether hair is long or short. You've got long range weapons and armor. 

yeah it dosen't make much of a difference to me either plus enemies in Bioware's games don't do that anyway and plus any that do attempt to get close to me are usually dead before they're close enough to attempt that even if they wanted too. The only time they can occasionally get close enough is on the reaper where you find Legion in ME2 in the Acquire the IFF mission.