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[vertigomez]

This is mostly silly, but I started thinking about how much some people like their PCs to marry into royalty/nobility, gaining a fancy title to add to their hero status. Human HoF with Alistair or Anora, Hawke with Sebastian, Inky in a relationship with Josephine, Cassandra, etc. Which potential power couple would have the most political clout, not just centered around the PC's accomplishments but specifically because of the LI's super special DNA?

Not that this matters to me. All of my PCs are filthy plebs who hooked up with their fellow commoners.

[GoldenGail3]

King Alistair/Queen-Consort Cousland or Rivaled Sebastian/Female Hawke

[Aren]

The greatest political clout i was able to craft in the DA franchise across choices made within the keep was by using the male warden to marry Anora and romancing Leliana who is later made the Divine and take control of the Inquisition.

 

The same route is available for the female noble warden but with less flexibility since is DR dependant

(auto cheating and lizards preservation aren't a thing for me).

 

It was made for entertainment obviously not that there's anything more to gain in terms of gaming experiences in taking these power trip routes

[Lunatica]

The couple with the greatest political clout?

 

I think is the triad  Anora&Warden&Leliana.

 

After Trespasser the Inquisition is under your LI .

[vertigomez]

I completely forgot about Leliana. Yeah, I suppose Alistair/Anora&Warden + Divine Leli would be a powerhouse.

Hawke doesn't get to stay Viscount so I can't imagine she and Seb are, uh, at quite the same level yet. Though he still ends up with a crown on the friendship route, too, and you are married...

[Catilina]

Alistair and Warden super tainted DNA?

[jlb524]

Yeah you can't beat being Queen/King of Ferelden and having the Divine as your mistress. Or would you be her mistress since the Divine is more powerful? Idk

[DarkAmaranth1966]

First you need a female warden, and make Anora Bi, now the Warden Marries Alistair, is a mistress to Anora, and Leliana on the sly. Later that same warden adds Hawke as a consort, then a Qun loyal Iron Bull and the Trevelyan Inquisitor romancing Cassandra and having an affair with Josephine. Inquisitor is also related to House Pavus so, related to Dorian. Josephine is in a relationship with Blackwall who did join the wardens for real and, is on the path to becoming a senior Warden.

 

Never happen but, if it did, you'd have influence over all of Thedas.

[Daerog]

Power in Fereldan is not centered on the royals, it is with the banns. Anora and Loghain couldn't do anything in areas the banns said "no."

While the Divine has influence, the Chantry has a lot less influence and power then it did.

I would argue that a noble from Ostwick marrying Josie would be the most powerful even if it won't be immediately seen.

Trevelyan is a strong house with connections, Josie is building a powerhouse of finance and influence, and they are not tied by the whims of the nobility or responsibilities of national security. Their power will grow while other options are limited or are diminished.

While the world looks at the big figures, the Trevelyan-Montilyet house can do their dealings without too much notice.

It's better to be the Kingmaker than the King.

[Gervaise]

Let us not forget that Josie can have one group of assassins as the personal protectors of her ships, whilst still seemingly on good terms with the Crows back in Antiva.   So long as she keeps it that way, and Josie is an accomplished diplomat after all, then there is a very significant power base coupled with a Trevelyan Inquisitor, who also, let us not forget, now has an official title and residence in Kirkwall as well, thanks to Varric.      On the whole, I think it is the merchant class who are going to gradually amass the most power in the future.    You already have the Merchant Princes in Antiva and the Surface dwarves.    The Freemarches are the breadbasket of Thedas, so controlling trade routes there would make you very powerful indeed.

[CuriousArtemis]

Marriage and royalty aside, if the question is, who is the greatest "power couple" I'd say it has to be the inquisitor and their love interest. The warden disappears and Hawke can become viscount but eventually leaves anyway AND can die/disappear. So the final question is which DAI love interest brings the most power to the table.

 

Iron Bull if he remains part of the qun could be considered powerful.

Dorian obviously has some political clout by the time we get to Trespasser.

Josephine is also a sociopolitical powerhouse.

Cassandra can be Divine, but does she break up with you if this happens?

Sera is a Red Jenny, powerful, but technically just a network of spies/assassins.

Blackwall sadly brings not much to the table.

Cullen, the same.

Solas...... I actually hadn't thought of Solas until I got to him LOL Hmm, well, I'd say that depends on what happens in the future. If it turns out only a romanced female Lavellan can influence Solas then f***ing wow, that is definitely the most powerful couple. It doesn't get much more powerful than Solas.

 

But assuming that's not the case, I believe that the head of the Inquisition and the Divine are surely the most powerful couple in Thedas. 

 

And if that's impossible (if Cassandra breaks up with you), then I actually think Inquisitor x Dorian is the most powerful, simply because having a powerful Tevinter lover will matter more than a powerful Antivan lover.

[Gervaise]

The important part is whether or not they are powerful as a couple.  

 

Iron Bull would only bring power to the table if you are prepared to embrace the Qun and then not much because he is not a leader but a simple operative.   In any case that particular alliance goes pear shaped pretty quickly if he stays in the Qun.

 

Dorian is now a Magister but unless his Lucerni party takes off in a big way, he has very little real political clout back home and the rest of Thedas only acknowledge Tevinter when it suits them.   He actually says in Trespasser that the best way to get Orlais and Ferelden to support keeping the Inquisition would be to say that Tevinter wants it closed down because they would oppose them on principle.   So not really much power invested in his relationship, particularly since he doesn't actually openly acknowledge his connection with the Inquisitor back home but only to his trusted inner Circle.   Of course this situation could change in the next game.

 

Cassandra will certainly not acknowledge the Inquisitor as her lover if Divine and I'm pretty sure she does end the relationship if she is.    It also depends on whether you keep the Inquisition going.    If you do, then this would add to her power since she now has a private army to replace the Templars but it remains to be seen just how much the Chantry's influence has been damaged by events in DAI.     In any case the Divine's power seems to really lie in influencing leaders to take certain actions but given how little rulers across Thedas follow the moral imperatives of the Chant, I wonder just how strong that influence is if they don't agree with her.

 

Solas has broken up with the Inquisitor and the best you can hope for is to influence him not to go ahead with whatever plans he has.   If Lavellan can persuade him to renounce his idea to tear down the Veil and instead use his considerable power to build a future for the elves in this world, then that would be a truly powerful couple, but sadly, for the elves at least, that is not to be.

 

So overall, from the romances available in DAI, Josephine would seem to potentially hold the greatest power base, provided you did her personal quest, but then you have to if you want to romance her.    It also really needs a human Inquisitor to fully realise its potential.

[veeia]

Perhaps Josephine + Lavellan would hold more power if you choose the Celene + Briala ending and had Leliana as Divine. Not more than Trevelyan + Josephine, but perhaps would allow for more possibilities there than Josephine + Adaar/Cadash since it indicates several political shifts for elves (involvement in the higher ranks of the Chantry, holding important political positions)

E: also revealing Ameridan's heritage, while minor, along with an elven Hero of Fereldan. Basically there are quite a few ways you can try to influence the status of elves by putting them in positions of power or allowing them to continue (like Fiona). I don't know if would actually make any change that would allow for a greater power but it's possible.

[jlb524]

Perhaps Josephine + Lavellan would hold more power if you choose the Celene + Briala ending and had Leliana as Divine. Not more than Trevelyan + Josephine, but perhaps would allow for more possibilities there than Josephine + Adaar/Cadash since it indicates several political shifts for elves (involvement in the higher ranks of the Chantry, holding important political positions)

E: also revealing Ameridan's heritage, while minor, along with an elven Hero of Fereldan. Basically there are quite a few ways you can try to influence the status of elves by putting them in positions of power or allowing them to continue (like Fiona). I don't know if would actually make any change that would allow for a greater power but it's possible.

 

Lavellan would have greater influence among elves at least.  Their clan can also gain power in Wycome if they don't die.

 

Regarding Trevelyan, aren't the just a minor family with not much influence outside of Ostwick?  I haven't played a human in so long and don't remember much, but that's what I recall.  I kind of think Josephine + any Inquisitor would be quite influential due to her abilities and the Inquisitor's fame.  I don't know if Trevelyan being a noble would give them any noticeable advantage over other pairings with Josephine since 'being the Inquisitor' is bigger than anything.

[Lulupab]

Yeah, Trevelyans are minor nobles. There are quite a bit of other noble families in line before them who are eligible to rule Ostwick.

 

Marriage for political power can be very significant in Tevinter though. It would most likely require you to be a mage however, unlike previous games.

[veeia]

Lavellan would have greater influence among elves at least.  Their clan can also gain power in Wycome if they don't die.

 

Regarding Trevelyan, aren't the just a minor family with not much influence outside of Ostwick?  I haven't played a human in so long and don't remember much, but that's what I recall.  I kind of think Josephine + any Inquisitor would be quite influential due to her abilities and the Inquisitor's fame.  I don't know if Trevelyan being a noble would give them any noticeable advantage over other pairings with Josephine since 'being the Inquisitor' is bigger than anything.

 

That's probably true. I just assumed that there would be less barriers for Trevelyan not just because of their noble status but also their race, but perhaps the Inquisitor's status negates that at this point.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

marry the mad hermit give you a lot of political power among the brecilian forest at least.

[Ghost Gal]

My Lavellan plans to marry Fen'Harel when the Veil is stripped and ancient Elvhenan is returned to its glory days and live as a goddess among her people, what are you talking about?

 

I'm being completely sarcastic. I know the devs would never let Solas succeed in his goal, and my gal would never support his goal as such even if they did let us support him.

[BloodKaiden]

I'd marry Otranto, less for the power more for the fun. Dude seemed awesome.

[Gervaise]

Actually in DAI there are only a few people that we can actually "marry".   Being in a romance is not the same as being married.   The former simply makes you a paramour.   You may have some influence as such and put you in the right circles to exercise it but it doesn't actually give you any real political ties and power; that is reserved for marriage.

[vertigomez]

Actually in DAI there are only a few people that we can actually "marry".   Being in a romance is not the same as being married.   The former simply makes you a paramour.   You may have some influence as such and put you in the right circles to exercise it but it doesn't actually give you any real political ties and power; that is reserved for marriage.

So far in DA there's been at least one possible official marriage per game, and at least half of them are politically prudent. I always thought that was interesting.

[Brass_Buckles]

The important part is whether or not they are powerful as a couple.  

 

Iron Bull would only bring power to the table if you are prepared to embrace the Qun and then not much because he is not a leader but a simple operative.   In any case that particular alliance goes pear shaped pretty quickly if he stays in the Qun.

 

Dorian is now a Magister but unless his Lucerni party takes off in a big way, he has very little real political clout back home and the rest of Thedas only acknowledge Tevinter when it suits them.   He actually says in Trespasser that the best way to get Orlais and Ferelden to support keeping the Inquisition would be to say that Tevinter wants it closed down because they would oppose them on principle.   So not really much power invested in his relationship, particularly since he doesn't actually openly acknowledge his connection with the Inquisitor back home but only to his trusted inner Circle.   Of course this situation could change in the next game.

 

Cassandra will certainly not acknowledge the Inquisitor as her lover if Divine and I'm pretty sure she does end the relationship if she is.    It also depends on whether you keep the Inquisition going.    If you do, then this would add to her power since she now has a private army to replace the Templars but it remains to be seen just how much the Chantry's influence has been damaged by events in DAI.     In any case the Divine's power seems to really lie in influencing leaders to take certain actions but given how little rulers across Thedas follow the moral imperatives of the Chant, I wonder just how strong that influence is if they don't agree with her.

 

Solas has broken up with the Inquisitor and the best you can hope for is to influence him not to go ahead with whatever plans he has.   If Lavellan can persuade him to renounce his idea to tear down the Veil and instead use his considerable power to build a future for the elves in this world, then that would be a truly powerful couple, but sadly, for the elves at least, that is not to be.

 

So overall, from the romances available in DAI, Josephine would seem to potentially hold the greatest power base, provided you did her personal quest, but then you have to if you want to romance her.    It also really needs a human Inquisitor to fully realise its potential.

 

If you don't tell Solas never to mention it again and don't swear to kill him, he doesn't actually break up with your Lavellan.  He expects her to die and he doesn't expect to ever be with her again, but it's not precisely a break-up.

 

He tries to break up toward the end of the game before Trespasser, but then in Trespasser he's right there calling you "my love," and "Vhenan," and really could the guy get any more cruel in telling someone he ostensibly deeply cares about how he's going to destroy her entire world and her with it?

 

But that aside...  Even if you somehow survive events to come, I don't think you would get to be a "power couple" with Solas.  He's going to be reviled, probably even by the elves.  He gives a strong suggestion that what he's going to do is reprehensible on a level beyond just saying "let's burn the world again."  He probably doesn't expect to be alive to continue a romance even should Lavellan survive.  And, should he be alive, he may anticipate that he will change so much because of what he's up to, that he's not going to be someone you can be with.

 

I'd say the "I will never forget you" line is less a breakup than an admission that Lavellan meant much more to him than he wanted her to.  He can't let go.  That's a goodbye, not a breakup.  It's what you say when you think you're never going to meet someone again, not what you say when you're breaking up.

 

It's probably just a matter of perspective.

 

That said... we are going to Tevinter in the next game.  Although the nobles have power everywhere, in Tevinter that power is also magical. So I don't foresee us being able to marry for power there as long as we have the option to play someone who isn't a mage (or human, for that matter--elves do not have power in Tevinter, unless they scrape and claw for it--and even then they have little, and I don't know the standing of dwarves in Tevinter).

[veeia]

In Tevinter, dwarves have kind of a special social standing because of Tevinter's need to maintain good relationships with them for lyrium. So they have collective political power and protected status, but they also can't be in high government positions or anything and I don't think they are actually considered citizens. My reading is that it's a higher quality of life for your average dwarf than the other races and as surfacers they have more opportunities there than other nations, but I don't think individual dwarves, except possibly the top Ambassadoria officials, have much power.

 

e: but while it's been awhile since I read the comics, a union between a Tevinter magister and a dwarf (Mae & her husband)  did give them a decent amount of power because it allowed her to have more influence in the Ambassadoria.

[Jedi Comedian]

If I am to marry for political power, I just hope she's a good frak (I headcanon Anora is anyway).

[Gervaise]

The Ambassadoria dwarves are likely nobility, plus some of the merchant class.   They have power because they control the lyrium trade and that is a big deal in Tevinter.   This is how Maevaris secures her status in Tevinter society.   The Altus can't stand her because of her background and challenge to their accepted standards but she allied herself romantically with a powerful and very rich merchant (although she did not officially marry it was as good as) so she can use all her contacts in the Ambassadoria and her wealth to keep her position.

 

Not sure about regular surface dwarves outside the merchant class.   I imagine they wouldn't have much more status than anywhere else.   Better than elves but then everyone is better off than the elves, and not citizens, so denied voting rights and such.