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[10K]

Personally, I didn't like the omni-blade, but the lore behind it is pretty darn solid. So they can stay as far as I'm concerned.

[SKAR]

No, I liked the heavy melee system in ME 3. That said I wouldn't mind seeing it evolve. Would love to wield a biotic hammer

now that doesn't make any Sense, anywhere. Unless you meant omni hammer. I'm find with blades.

[KotorEffect3]

now that doesn't make any Sense, anywhere. Unless you meant omni hammer. I'm find with blades.

There is a Krogan in ME 3 multiplayer that wields a big ass hammer,  I think it can carry a biotic charge or an electric charge.  Haven't played it in a long time but it could work.

[SKAR]

There is a Krogan in ME 3 multiplayer that wields a big ass hammer, I think it can carry a biotic charge or an electric charge. Haven't played it in a long time but it could work.

Oh that. I thought you meant a hammer made out of biotics. I forgot about that. My bad.

[Silvos]

By "slower" I meant that it would take much more time to kill an enemy by only punching.

And I want to hear my enemies scream while I'm at it.

 
Please leave.
 

Too bad. So are lightsabers.

 
Uh, OK?

[Element Zero]

I am not really a fan of the omniblade; but that cat's out of the bag, and it's a bit too late to do anything about it. The ridiculous offshoots we saw in MP, though-- those can end with ME3. There is no need for those to continue into MEA. They were MP gameplay experiments and nothing more, in my mind. It's best they stay that way. The same can be said for swords. Space swords can die with Kai Leng. They destroy the ambience of Mass Effect.

[Jedi Comedian]

Please leave.


Uh, OK?

I can't leave, I'm THE OP! HAHAHAHAHARRRRRRR!!!!!

[Andrew Lucas]

Not at all, they're pretty sweet.

[capn233]

Well, those hypervelocity rounds are somewhat less lethal than what we're using now, given the way defenses work in the setting.

 

And knives are even less lethal still due to superior full body armor.  Which is incidentally why nobody used them until rule of cool took over.

[SKAR]

And knives are even less lethal still due to superior full body armor. Which is incidentally why nobody used them until rule of cool took over.

It depends. First what kind of metal is it made of, second is the sharpness.

[SKAR]

For anyone arguing that swords are stupid and would.never cut through armor I read.an article on how a "monomolecular" blade is supposed to be insanely sharp. I quote,"weapons that have been sharpened to a single atom are a particular type of absurdly sharp blade that are so sharp, their cutting edge can be measured in terms of atoms or molecules, often being just a single molecule wide. This usually gives the weapons absurd cutting power, but generally requires the blade to be made out of some sort of Unobtanium to maintain that sharpness without dulling instantly(or just shattering into a million pieces)the first time it's used. For these reasons, the trips is most frequently encountered in SCIENCE FICTION settings". They had them in Dune to name an example. Monomolecular wire is a fictional wire and can be used in weapons and mostly consists of carbon nanotubes. That explains the strength. In John Brunner's Stand on Zanzibar and according to to him, "the monofilament will easily cut through glass, metal and flesh, but in any non-strained structure the molecules will immediately rebound. No harm is done if the cut object is not under mechanical stress. Of course much of this stems from scientific research and theories. There are many things that would work in theory in mass effect hence why it is called science fiction Michio Kaku, a well-known renowned physicist, was feature in a video talking about the science on ME2 and how telekinesis may be possible. Sure it won't be exactly like biotics but with technology it may be possible. There are many things that people forty ,fifty years ago or even past science fiction movies never considered, stuff like touch screens, Xbox, 3D printers,etc. In a few years there'll be a new watch that will put out a holographic projection that we can control by touch. I would have never believed something like that possible. Its fascinating, science. Monomolecular blades in a science fiction settings and in theory have the strength and power to be able to cut through our power armor with ease hence why phantoms and N7 specialists use it. Who knows, a few hundred years from now omni stuff may become a reality. We have no way of knowing. Just like our ancestors had no way of knowing how we'd reach this point.

[Iakus]

And knives are even less lethal still due to superior full body armor.  Which is incidentally why nobody used them until rule of cool took over.

Or really tough spandex 

[capn233]

For anyone arguing that swords are stupid and would.never cut through armor I read.an article on how a "monomolecular" blade is supposed to be insanely sharp. I quote,"weapons that have been sharpened to a single atom are a particular type of absurdly sharp blade that are so sharp, their cutting edge can be measured in terms of atoms or molecules, often being just a single molecule wide. This usually gives the weapons absurd cutting power,..."

 

Nice, you quoted the "Sharpened to a Single Atom" page at tv tropes.

 

http://tvtropes.org/...edToASingleAtom

 

This is definitely a scholarly article on the subject.

 

If anybody at home wants to do a fun experiment, you can get yourself a nice piece of obsidian with a blade width on the order of tens of atoms.  Next find some mild steel and attempt to cut it.

[SKAR]

Nice, you quoted the "Sharpened to a Single Atom" page at tv tropes.

http://tvtropes.org/...edToASingleAtom

This is definitely a scholarly article on the subject.

If anybody at home wants to do a fun experiment, you can get yourself a nice piece of obsidian with a blade width on the order of tens of atoms. Next find some mild steel and attempt to cut it.

Science fiction man. That's why it cuts through armor. Soooo sharp.

[capn233]

Or really tough spandex 

 

This reminds me of the discussion in the other thread about bullet proof vests not being resistant to stabs.  You can get kevlar that is stab resistant, but it is weaved differently than in the bullet proof vests.

 

edit: and for the record, with respect to the topic of this thread, I am not really necessarily opposed to omniblades, although the soldier stab makes the most sense with it, not the sentinel slice.

[Element Zero]

SKAR, I think you often forget that many of us have been playing home video games for over three decades, now. Some of us have been reading science fiction for a similar period of time, or even longer.

The question was never "what are monomolecular blades?". The question was "does anyone else find omniblades out of place in ME?". By extension, swords are always brought up, because many of us find them annoying and utterly out of place in Mass Effect. They simply seem more appropriate for anime to me, and no amount of cross-referencing other scifi will change that. Such things are very much at home in some settings. Mass Effect is not such a setting, in my opinion.

I hope we have seen the last of them. There has been enough similar sentiment expressed that I'm optimistic that this hope might be fulfilled. Many of us want a return to the slightly less fantastic days of Mass Effect. Things got more ridiculous with each game, and the swords and omnitool weapons are just one egregious example. It's time to rein things in and clean up the muck.

[SKAR]

SKAR, I think you often forget that many of us have been playing home video games for over three decades, now. Some of us have been reading science fiction for a similar period of time, or even longer.

The question was never "what are monomolecular blades?". The question was "does anyone else find omniblades out of place in ME?". By extension, swords are always brought up, because many of us find them annoying and utterly out of place in Mass Effect. They simply seem more appropriate for anime to me, and no amount of cross-referencing other scifi will change that. Such things are very much at home in some settings. Mass Effect is not such a setting, in my opinion.

I hope we have seen the last of them. There has been enough similar sentiment expressed that I'm optimistic that this hope might be fulfilled. Many of us want a return to the slightly less fantastic days of Mass Effect. Things got more ridiculous with each game, and the swords and omnitool weapons are just one egregious example. It's time to rein things in and clean up the muck.

I see.a lot.of monomolecular stuff around. The point is that they work because of sci-fi. People be like oh that is absurd and impractical. Oh monomolecular blades can't cut into armor. why do phantoms use it? Cause it freaking cuts through armor. Are omni blades out of place? It's like saying energy swords are out of place in Halo. Or the lancer is out of place in gears of war. Who puts a chainsaw on a gun? They've become part of the franchise. Other games don't have omni blades. That's what's cool about mass effect. It's pretty clear they aint going away. And they're bad@$$ to use.

[Element Zero]

I don't play any of those other series. What I liked about Mass Effect back in 2007 was that it felt less "video gamey", to use a silly term that works. It was set in the near future, and at least pretended to try to stick more toward the science fiction side of things than many other series. Yes, the basic concepts were complete fiction, but if you accepted those concepts going in, there was a consistency and feel to the world that was pretty different.

With each subsequent game, the "rule of cool" introduced more action movie and anime type stuff into the setting. It might've been fun for many, but I feel like it dilutes the ambience of the setting. I'd like to see some of it scaled back, and some of the extreme stuff removed entirely.

I realize everyone has different tastes. If swords somehow remain part of MEA, I'll likely still play it (assuming they're a small, completely optional part). I'd rather have a game that mostly pleases me and sells really well, than to have a game I view as perfect but that no one else will buy.

Edit: typo

[SKAR]

I don't play any of those other series. What I liked about Mass Effect back in 2007 was that it felt less "video gamey", to use a silly term that works. It was set in the near future, and at least pretended to try to stick more toward the science fiction side of things than many other series. Yes, the basic concepts were compete fiction, but if you accept those concepts going in, there was a consistency and feel to the world that was pretty different.

With each subsequent game, the "rule of cool" introduced more action movie and anime type stuff into the setting. It might've been fun for many, but I feel like it dilutes the ambience of the setting. I'd like to see some of it scaled back, and some of the extreme stuff removed entirely.

I realize every has different tastes. If swords somehow remain part of MEA, I'll likely still play it (assuming they're a small, completely optional part). I'd rather have a game that mostly pleases me and sells really well, than to have a game I view as perfect but that no one else will buy.

Nothing's ever perfect. If something is perfect to you it's crap to other people. Opinions man. Right or wrong everyone has one.

[Silvos]

It's like saying energy swords are out of place in Halo. Or the lancer is out of place in gears of war. Who puts a chainsaw on a gun? They've become part of the franchise. Other games don't have omni blades. That's what's cool about mass effect. It's pretty clear they aint going away. And they're bad@$$ to use.

 

It's actually nothing like that. Lancers and plasma swords have been part of GoW and Halo since the beginning, Ninja swords and omni-blades were added in ME3 out of ****ing nowhere. Lancers are so intrinsically linked to GoW that they were part of the very first teaser for GoW1 and are essentially everything you need to know about that entire franchise(macho, over the top, kind of stupid in the best way). That is definitely not the case for swords in Mass Effect.

[SKAR]

It's actually nothing like that. Lancers and plasma swords have been part of GoW and Halo since the beginning, Ninja swords and omni-blades were added in ME3 out of ****ing nowhere. Lancers are so intrinsically linked to GoW that they were part of the very first teaser for GoW1 and are essentially everything you need to know about that entire franchise(macho, over the top, kind of stupid in the best way). That is definitely not the case for swords in Mass Effect.

I knew you were going to say that. But I worry not. They're gonna be in MEA anyway.

[Silvos]

I knew you were going to say that. But I worry not. They're gonna be in MEA anyway.

 

You knew I was going to counter your argument so you went ahead and made the losing argument anyway?

[SKAR]

You knew I was going to counter your argument so you went ahead and made the losing argument anyway?

I knew you we're going to talk about the whole they were in the beginning argument. I "win" because omni blades aren't going anywhere. That's all I care about. They are now part of the mass effect universe just like the lancer is part of gears. Can't change that because you think it's stupid. There is really no winner to this argument. These are just opinions at the end of the day. Theyve already been established in the universe. there's no point whining about getting rid of them. A lot of people like them and bioware knows this. I just like omni stuff end of story. If they bother you that much go play some mass effect 1or 2. There's always somethin to complain about. 9 months or so from now we will argue again about something else. Maybe the jetpacks or the mako. Wait and see.

[Tactical striga]

Honestly i enjoy the omniblades, replaying the trilogy as i play through i actually miss using the omni blade as im playing 1+2, I remember when i first played mass effect 3 and thinking holy crap, this is our melee now? and was excited, considering all i was used to in 1+2 was elbow bashing things into the ground

[Dalakaar]

Honestly i enjoy the omniblades, replaying the trilogy as i play through i actually miss using the omni blade as im playing 1+2, I remember when i first played mass effect 3 and thinking holy crap, this is our melee now? and was excited, considering all i was used to in 1+2 was elbow bashing things into the ground

I thought the same thing. Next step in my head is, "Now that they've set precedence, I hope they expand on it further."