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[ThomasBlaine]

Having finally gotten around to re-playing DAII, this is the first thing that struck me as incredibly stupid that I didn't notice the first time around. All those comments about it being a pigsty with cheese in the corners that you recognize from the year before? By then Hawke and his/her family have lived in Gamlen's house - which is larger than anything they can possibly have been used to - for that entire year, after two or three decades living like peasants in Ferelden.

 

It didn't occur to any of them to clean it up?

 

I get that it's Gamlen's job to clean up after himself in principle, and while you could also make the argument that in a pseudo-medieval society it really would be Leandra's, Bethany's and Fem!Hawke's responsibility as the ladies of the house I don't care about that. What I care about is basic common sense. If you want to live somewhere remotely clean and nobody else wants to handle it, you either force them to or you handle it yourself.

 

Thinking about Leandra complaining about her loss of status - after the aforementioned twenty-to-thirty years as the wife of an apostate, doing nothing in the way of even rudimentary cleaning while her kids work and fight with their lives to pay off their entrance into the city she dragged them to and give her her childhood home back makes my blood boil, and it puts the entire motivation of the Hawke family in a pretty unflattering light.

 

It's almost as stupid of Hawke and Bethany not to do something about it themselves. But no, all we hear is "Isn't Gamlen a pig? Ugh. When can we get out of here?" as if providing basic maintenance for the place where they put their heads down at night after risking their necks shouldn't be a given.

 

/rant over

[Taki17]

Yeah, Hawke's mom acts especially entitled during their stay with Gamlen. Like when she totally loses her sh!t about Gamlen bringing up that the least she could do is cook dinner for them. Don't tell me she never had to cook when she was living in Lothering. We all saw Lothering, it wasn't a place with really wealthy people who might employ servants. Plus she knew what she was getting into when she eloped with an apostate mercenary, and somehow never had a problem during the 20+ years living a simple life? Right...

 

I'm not saying Gamlen is perfect by spending all the family fortune and losing the estate, but he has helped the Hawkes in more ways that he gets credit for in the game. Yeah, he was only able to get them into the city by having them repay it with a year of work to certain people, but face it - working as a smuggler or merc in Kirkwall wasn't really a bad job at all. You had friend in the city guard, employment, enjoyed a level of anonimity, the Templars weren't bothering you, made useful underworld contacts and even though had to repay a debt, you still got some money for your efforts. That's certainly more than even some Kirkwall residents have.

 

I still don't get why the whole family acts like as if suddenly they became high nobles when they landed in Kirkwall, when they were living as simple folk most of their lives.

 

The least Gamlen would've deserved is allowing him to move back to the estate with the rest of the family.

[vertigomez]

I get that it's Gamlen's job to clean up after himself in principle, and while you could also make the argument that in a pseudo-medieval society it really would be Leandra's, Bethany's and Fem!Hawke's responsibility as the ladies of the house I don't care about that. What I care about is basic common sense. If you want to live somewhere remotely clean and nobody else wants to handle it, you either force them to or you handle it yourself.

Bethany and Hawke, at least, are too busy making bacon to play housewife. In any case, I doubt this is taken for granted in Thedosian society...

And while I agree that everybody living in the house should contribute to it not being a total pigsty, I always figured that it wasn't just that it was dirty, but that it was in Lowtown that was the problem. It's probably ramshackle and falling apart, there are undoubtedly rats and roaches and who knows what else. That's not even addressing the privy issue. Merrill faces the same issues in the Alienage even though she tries to keep her home tidy, and let's not even mention Darktown.

Basically, poor people living in a pseudo-medieval society are gonna have crappy living quarters no matter how much they clean.

[nightscrawl]

I always figured that the line of thought was that it was Gamlen's house. If, when they arrived, they had determined roles and such and he said, "If you want to live here you have to earn your keep," that would be one thing, but that doesn't appear to have happened. So they expect Gamlen to keep his own house clean.

 

As far as "living like peasants in Ferelden," we don't really know exactly how they lived because we didn't see it. However, I will say that, to some people, living in a place that is yours, even if it's poor, is better than mooching off someone else, so that may have contributed as well.

[ThomasBlaine]

Bethany and Hawke, at least, are too busy making bacon to play housewife. In any case, I doubt this is taken for granted in Thedosian society...

And while I agree that everybody living in the house should contribute to it not being a total pigsty, I always figured that it wasn't just that it was dirty, but that it was in Lowtown that was the problem. It's probably ramshackle and falling apart, there are undoubtedly rats and roaches and who knows what else. That's not even addressing the privy issue. Merrill faces the same issues in the Alienage even though she tries to keep her home tidy, and let's not even mention Darktown.

Basically, poor people living in a pseudo-medieval society are gonna have crappy living quarters no matter how much they clean.

 

Malcolm's abilities forced the family to move around a lot in the Ferelden countryside. It's nowhere near a stretch to assume that the Hawkes have literally lived on the road on more than one occasion before settling in Lothering, where a building as spacious as Gamlen's house would have marked it as having some kind of public function, like an inn or a town hall. It may well be poor by noble standards, but as the seat of an impoverished one it's not bad at all.

 

It's made of rock, as is most of the city, and elevated above the general street level, meaning that no, it probably doesn't have a huge rat or bug problem. It's so huge that the Hawkes could spend a twentieth of those fifty sovereigns to triple both the amount and quality of the furniture and still be able to walk around comfortably. It has three decent-sized rooms and two working fireplaces, and we specifically find unused soap lying around. That doesn't conform to any standard of medieval poverty I've ever heard of.

 

 

I always figured that the line of thought was that it was Gamlen's house. If, when they arrived, they had determined roles and such and he said, "If you want to live here you have to earn your keep," that would be one thing, but that doesn't appear to have happened. So they expect Gamlen to keep his own house clean.

 

As far as "living like peasants in Ferelden," we don't really know exactly how they lived because we didn't see it. However, I will say that, to some people, living in a place that is yours, even if it's poor, is better than mooching off someone else, so that may have contributed as well.

 

So the Hawkes crash at Gamlen's own house at his personal expense for over a year, having nowhere else to go, and make no move to help keep it clean simply because he doesn't demand it of them? Or rent. Or money for food, for that matter. And that's why Leandra allows her children to come home to the same filthy house every day after working off her entrance into the city as well as their own with blood, despite having soap readily on hand. Yeah, that's a much more flattering image.

 

We know that Malcolm, his wife and their children lived on the "outskirts of Lothering". Neither of them having any particularly marketable skills, it's safe to assume that the only reason they had anything at all was the money Malcolm squeezed out of the Grey Wardens in exchange for his help, money that could never have lasted long enough to provide for the entire family if it hadn't been used incredibly carefully.

 

There's simply no way they lived somewhere better than Gamlen's house before leaving Lothering.

[Catilina]

Gamlen's house is not clean? What about Fenris' mansion?

 

 

[Taki17]

Neither of them having any particularly marketable skills, it's safe to assume that the only reason they had anything at all was the money Malcolm squeezed out of the Grey Wardens in exchange for his help, money that could never have lasted twenty years long enough to provide for the entire family if it hadn't been used incredibly carefully.

They lived in Lothering for 10 years, Malcolm Hawke died 3 years before the blight, and non-mage Hawke and Carver were soldiers, so their military pay could very well have been enough to sustain the family. The ingame sources conflict on this, but one side tells that Malcolm Hawke was a mercenary and the other says he was a circle mage - I guess he could've worked as a mercenary after escaping the circle. Plus, it was never specified how he died, so if he really worked as a mercenary and fell in battle, the company would've payed a substantial ammout of gold to his widow and family.

[Xilizhra]

Yeah, Hawke's mom acts especially entitled during their stay with Gamlen. Like when she totally loses her sh!t about Gamlen bringing up that the least she could do is cook dinner for them. Don't tell me she never had to cook when she was living in Lothering. We all saw Lothering, it wasn't a place with really wealthy people who might employ servants. Plus she knew what she was getting into when she eloped with an apostate mercenary, and somehow never had a problem during the 20+ years living a simple life? Right...

 

I'm not saying Gamlen is perfect by spending all the family fortune and losing the estate, but he has helped the Hawkes in more ways that he gets credit for in the game. Yeah, he was only able to get them into the city by having them repay it with a year of work to certain people, but face it - working as a smuggler or merc in Kirkwall wasn't really a bad job at all. You had friend in the city guard, employment, enjoyed a level of anonimity, the Templars weren't bothering you, made useful underworld contacts and even though had to repay a debt, you still got some money for your efforts. That's certainly more than even some Kirkwall residents have.

 

I still don't get why the whole family acts like as if suddenly they became high nobles when they landed in Kirkwall, when they were living as simple folk most of their lives.

 

The least Gamlen would've deserved is allowing him to move back to the estate with the rest of the family.

Given that Gamlen stole, then wasted, Leandra's entire estate, he owes a lot more than what he gave. I wouldn't be surprised if he could be legally indentured to Leandra, and I think it's quite nice of her to just cancel all of his debts (nicer than Gamlen's many other creditors; I strongly suspect that his Leandra-controlled stipend wasn't because his parents loved him less, but because Gamlen is demonstrably terrible with money).

 

 

Malcolm's abilities forced the family to move around a lot in the Ferelden countryside. It's nowhere near a stretch to assume that the Hawkes have literally lived on the road on more than one occasion before settling in Lothering, where a building as spacious as Gamlen's house would have marked it as having some kind of public function, like an inn or a town hall. It may well be poor by noble standards, but as the seat of an impoverished one it's not bad at all.

 

It's made of rock, as is most of the city, and elevated above the general street level, meaning that no, it probably doesn't have a huge rat or bug problem. It's so huge that the Hawkes could spend a twentieth of those fifty sovereigns to triple both the amount and quality of the furniture and still be able to walk around comfortably. It has three decent-sized rooms and two working fireplaces, and we specifically find unused soap lying around. That doesn't conform to any standard of medieval poverty I've ever heard of.

Thedas doesn't conform to any standard of medieval poverty. Among many other things, people can read.

[vertigomez]

I doubt Gamlen's house is as huge as it appears in-game. From a design standpoint, they had to make it big enough that pathfinding works and you can interact with the environment. Sort of like how the Amell/Hawke estate prooobably has more than two bedrooms. The way the houses look in the game doesn't necessarily reflect actual proportions.

[ThomasBlaine]

They lived in Lothering for 10 years, Malcolm Hawke died 3 years before the blight, and non-mage Hawke and Carver were soldiers, so their military pay could very well have been enough to sustain the family. The ingame sources conflict on this, but one side tells that Malcolm Hawke was a mercenary and the other says he was a circle mage - I guess he could've worked as a mercenary after escaping the circle. Plus, it was never specified how he died, so if he really worked as a mercenary and fell in battle, the company would've payed a substantial ammout of gold to his widow and family.

 

It's hard to believe that Hawke and Carver were soldiers before the Blight though. Everything written about them says that they "lived in Lothering", and there hadn't been a real conflict in the area since the Rebellion until they signed up as irregulars at Ostagar. They certainly weren't part of Maric's Shield, and I don't know of any other standing armies in Ferelden.

 

Given that Gamlen stole, then wasted, Leandra's entire estate, he owes a lot more than what he gave. I wouldn't be surprised if he could be legally indentured to Leandra, and I think it's quite nice of her to just cancel all of his debts (nicer than Gamlen's many other creditors; I strongly suspect that his Leandra-controlled stipend wasn't because his parents loved him less, but because Gamlen is demonstrably terrible with money).

 

 

Thedas doesn't conform to any standard of medieval poverty. Among many other things, people can read.

 

The Hawkes don't learn of this until during their second year in the city though, while gearing up to go on the expedition into the Deep Roads. We're discussing their attitude toward Gamlen and his house given what they knew in the time they lived there.

 

And more people being able to read is easily explained as the Chantry being far more open and liberal with their teachings and education than the Catholic church ever were during that period of our history. People having completely irrational expectations and reactions to conditions they've already lived under for twenty years is harder to justify.

 

 

I doubt Gamlen's house is as huge as it appears in-game. From a design standpoint, they had to make it big enough that pathfinding works and you can interact with the environment. Sort of like how the Amell/Hawke estate prooobably has more than two bedrooms. The way the houses look in the game doesn't necessarily reflect actual proportions.

 

A fair point, but the design of both the exterior and the interior suggest a healthy living space, and no dialogue I've noticed has implied that it's cramped in particular. And again, Gamlen really is an impoverished high noble. It makes sense for him to have had enough money to invest in a reasonably spacious house by peasant standards before he reached complete bankruptcy. His first mention of it is even "I've got a nice place in Lowtown", suggesting that he does see some value in it beyond just being the only place he can afford. Him being confident that the entire Hawke family can stay there with him and not even reluctant to let them is by itself indicative of a certain space you wouldn't ordinarily expect for someone living what is essentially a bachelor lifestyle.

[Xilizhra]

The Hawkes don't learn of this until during their second year in the city though, while gearing up to go on the expedition into the Deep Roads. We're discussing their attitude toward Gamlen and his house given what they knew in the time they lived there.

 

And more people being able to read is easily explained as the Chantry being far more open and liberal with their teachings and education than the Catholic church ever were during that period of our history. People having completely irrational expectations and reactions to conditions they've already lived under for twenty years is harder to justify.

Well, in that case, Gamlen was merely a complete idiot in their minds instead of both an idiot and a thief. Which still doesn't motivate people to think well of you.

[Qun00]

Bethany and Hawke, at least, are too busy making bacon to play housewife. In any case, I doubt this is taken for granted in Thedosian society...

And while I agree that everybody living in the house should contribute to it not being a total pigsty, I always figured that it wasn't just that it was dirty, but that it was in Lowtown that was the problem. It's probably ramshackle and falling apart, there are undoubtedly rats and roaches and who knows what else. That's not even addressing the privy issue. Merrill faces the same issues in the Alienage even though she tries to keep her home tidy, and let's not even mention Darktown.

Basically, poor people living in a pseudo-medieval society are gonna have crappy living quarters no matter how much they clean.

Speaking of Merrill, I don't understand why she was so shocked when she first arrived at the alienage.

Someone who grew up in the woods shouldn't be able to tell that there is anything wrong with it.

City folks know that it is bad because they know what a proper house and neighborhood look like. They have something to compare it to.

[Xilizhra]

Speaking of Merrill, I don't understand why she was so shocked when she first arrived at the alienage.

Someone who grew up in the woods shouldn't be able to tell that there is anything wrong with it.

City folks know that it is bad because they know what a proper house and neighborhood look like. They have something to compare it to.

I think it's worse than it looks onscreen, due to engine limitations. Something can still look worse than living in the woods, even if you aren't comparing it to nicer neighborhoods.

[thats1evildude]

I would challenge the belief that Gamlen's hovel was nicer than anything the Hawke family had lived in previously. I think Malcolm provided for his family quite well. And even if they had lived in some shack, Lothering was still nicer than Lowtown.

 

Today, Lowtown is a labyrinth of shantytowns, corridors, and hexagonal courtyards—'hexes', in the local parlance. Lowtown's poorest live in caves hewn out of the cliff face. The district is shoddily built and bears scars caused by collapsing walls. Foundry smoke smothers the area. Only a cold winter storm clears the air, but the icy wind howling over the mouths of old mineshafts hardly counts as relief.

 

Occasionally, these Darktown shafts erupt with gouts of foul air known as chokedamp. It's not uncommon to find whole slums silently suffocated, frozen in the midst of everyday activity.

[Ghost Gal]

Having finally gotten around to re-playing DAII, this is the first thing that struck me as incredibly stupid that I didn't notice the first time around. All those comments about it being a pigsty with cheese in the corners that you recognize from the year before? By then Hawke and his/her family have lived in Gamlen's house - which is larger than anything they can possibly have been used to - for that entire year, after two or three decades living like peasants in Ferelden.

 

It didn't occur to any of them to clean it up?

 

I agree 100%, and I've been saying the same thing since Day 1.

 

Yeah... I haven't actually played the game, just watched detailed walkthroughs and cutscenes on Youtube, so I'm not as invested in the Hawke family as most players. I don't go in feeling like "This is ME. This is MY family." So from a more impartial perspective, I was really struck by how arrogant and self-entitled the Hawke family came across as. 

 

On some level, I get it--they just lost everything, they were hoping for riches but got a hovel, they have disappointed expectations, etc. But I don't like how they act like they're entitled to get riches just because they want it, then act like they were personally robbed when told "no" even before learning what happened there. You don't deserve a fortune just for wanting it, guys.

 

And you actually made a good point I hadn't considered before. They've supposedly lived like peasants in Ferelden for decades, so Gamlen's house shouldn't be much different from the lifestyle they're used to. Even if his house isn't as big or clean as theirs, the lifestyle difference shouldn't be that much of a shock to them. It's like if *knocks on wood* disaster befell my whole city and I had to move out of my rented room in a three bedroom, two bathroom house to go live with relatives, and I was told I'd get to live with them in a large mansion, but wound up in a two bedroom, one bath apartment where I had to pitch in with housekeeping and rent. Yeah, compared to a mansion a little apartment isn't that much, but it's also not much worse from what I've lived with my whole life. I'm used to small houses with only a few bedrooms and bathrooms; of living with others, sharing household responsibilities, paying rent, etc. I wouldn't whine about it forever.

 

I get that it's Gamlen's job to clean up after himself in principle, and while you could also make the argument that in a pseudo-medieval society it really would be Leandra's, Bethany's and Fem!Hawke's responsibility as the ladies of the house I don't care about that. What I care about is basic common sense. If you want to live somewhere remotely clean and nobody else wants to handle it, you either force them to or you handle it yourself.

 

I agree. While I know one could make the argument that Hawke and Bethany/Carver are working hard in indentured servitude...  Leandra herself is not doing anything.

 

And it's confirmed if you bring Bethany in the Legacy DLC: "I've tried to get mother to look for work, or reconnect with some of her childhood friends. But she went to visit the Comte de Launcet once, and now she refuses to try again. She says it's just 'too pathetic.'" So... she wouldn't get a job, would ask her old rich friends for financial help, and she sits on her butt complaining about the mess she refuses to clean up? In my lower middle class world, if you're not going to get a job or pay rent, the very least you can do is help out with housework. Bare minimum. But Leandra won't even do that. She just sits around complaining about how the world owes her riches, when she won't even do basic housekeeping. 

 

 

Thinking about Leandra complaining about her loss of status - after the aforementioned twenty-to-thirty years as the wife of an apostate, doing nothing in the way of even rudimentary cleaning while her kids work and fight with their lives to pay off their entrance into the city she dragged them to and give her her childhood home back makes my blood boil, and it puts the entire motivation of the Hawke family in a pretty unflattering light.

 

Yeah, that really infuriates me about her, as I detailed above.

 

You also make a good point about Leandra's behavior in the game not matching that of her supposed history. As the wife of an apostate, shouldn't hard work and cooking and housekeeping become second-nature to her now? One of her first lines in the game is to lament, "The life your father and I built--all gone!" Yet she doesn't do anything throughout the game--doesn't get a job, cook, clean, or anything. She just sits around complaining about how she and her kids deserve to be waited on hand and foot, while letting her kids run around risking life and limb to pursue riches she herself won't do anything to work for. (Instead, she just sits around nagging Gamlen to produce her parents' will, then goes to nag the Viscount to produce the mansion left to her in the will. It all boils down to, "I deserve this, so you make it happen.")

 

Based on her behavior in the game, I have a hard time believing that Leandra ever lifted a finger in her life. Personally, I suspect she was a spoiled rich girl who ran off with a dazzling mercenary apostate who promised to show her the world Aladdin-style, then when she got pregnant he did all the work of finding a home, settling it, and upkeeping it while she sat around like a princess. Then when her kids were old enough to start doing chores, her husband and kids did all the work around the house and farm while she continued to sit around like a princess. Then Malcolm died, but by then her kids were adolescents, so they continued to do all the work while she sat around like a princess. Then the Blight and flight to Gamlen's, and now the reason she's suddenly affronted by this lowly lifestyle that she should realistically be used to by now is because suddenly her kids are off in indentured servitude rather than being home doing chores, and Gamlen is just as much of a lazy housekeeper as her, and the real reason she's mad is because suddenly, for the first time in her life, she's expected to actually do work; whether a job to pay rent or chores to keep the house nice.

 

Because if she had been living this peasant lifestyle with lots of manual labor and housekeeping this whole time, this shouldn't be difficult for her.

 

It's almost as stupid of Hawke and Bethany not to do something about it themselves. But no, all we hear is "Isn't Gamlen a pig? Ugh. When can we get out of here?" as if providing basic maintenance for the place where they put their heads down at night after risking their necks shouldn't be a given.

 

Yep. Funny how they're willing to take advantage of his hospitality, but then endlessly complain about how it's beneath them.

[MisterJB]

Honestly, I was genuinely shocked when I heard Gamlen request that Leandra pay some sort of rent or at least put something towards the food.

 

Is the game implying that Gamlen is feeding them and the dog out of his own pocket? And she doesn't think it's reasonable to contribute something?

[Xilizhra]

Honestly, I was genuinely shocked when I heard Gamlen request that Leandra pay some sort of rent or at least put something towards the food.

 

Is the game implying that Gamlen is feeding them and the dog out of his own pocket? And she doesn't think it's reasonable to contribute something?

I'm pretty sure it's within the interest of Hawke's employers/owners to feed her, her sibling, and probably the dog. Whether or not they feed Leandra is unclear.

[Qun00]

Carver may be a ******, but I respect his opinion that they should focus on building something new instead of clinging to old glory.

[DebatableBubble]

Of all the things I hate in DA2, the inability to sympathize with Gamlen is the one I hate most.

[Dean_the_Young]

Of all the things I hate in DA2, the inability to sympathize with Gamlen is the one I hate most.

 

I chuckle when people accuse Gamlen of stealing Leandra's inheritance. Legally that might be true, but that has less moral authority than a mage in a Circle. Leandra quite literally ran away from her inheritance by her own volition, had no intention of returning, and would never have known, much less cared, had it not been for good, bad, and just plain dumb luck bringing her back to Kirkwall.

 

No one has ever quite provided a satisfactory explanation as to why Gamlen should have been happily shafted out of an inheritance and faithfully waited for decades on the off-chance that Leandra might show up.

[Xilizhra]

I chuckle when people accuse Gamlen of stealing Leandra's inheritance. Legally that might be true, but that has less moral authority than a mage in a Circle. Leandra quite literally ran away from her inheritance by her own volition, had no intention of returning, and would never have known, much less cared, had it not been for good, bad, and just plain dumb luck bringing her back to Kirkwall.

 

No one has ever quite provided a satisfactory explanation as to why Gamlen should have been happily shafted out of an inheritance and faithfully waited for decades on the off-chance that Leandra might show up.

Oh, I'm not saying that Gamlen couldn't have lived there. The real problem was his throwing everything away.

 

And it wasn't that he was shafted for any reasons of disfavor, I'm fairly sure; it was because he was terrible with money.

[ThomasBlaine]

Oh, I'm not saying that Gamlen couldn't have lived there. The real problem was his throwing everything away.

 

And it wasn't that he was shafted for any reasons of disfavor, I'm fairly sure; it was because he was terrible with money.

 

Leandra doesn't appear to have much sense either, to be honest. Given her attitude towards work, cautious decision-making in general and specifically her having run away with a heretical criminal to start a family across the sea, Gamlen must have been really bad with money even for a young man for their parents to basically put him on an allowance under the authority of his runaway sister just in case she returned. Gods, I can't even imagine how hurtful and humiliating finding that out must have been for him. 

 

Taking the family fortune and estate might have been illegal and losing it was pretty embarrassing - although it's not like he just threw it all down a drain, maintaining that kind of wealth isn't easy even for people with a good sense for finances, especially not in environments as dysfunctional as Kirkwall where unstable stocks and market prices can bankrupt one person and make another rich on a dime - but Leandra had no reasonable claim on that money after having been absent for twenty years. Or even after running away in the first place and not making the trip to claim her inheritance after the parents' deaths, not even trying to make contact with their financiers from Ferelden.

 

When she does the "how could you?" thing and Gamlen finally looks her in the eye and straight out asks her what the hell he was supposed to have done, I can't help but agree with him. Something of an ass he may be, but most players are a bit too hard on him.

[Catilina]

Leandra doesn't appear to have much sense either, to be honest. Given her attitude towards work, cautious decision-making in general and specifically her having run away with a heretical criminal to start a family across the sea, Gamlen must have been really bad with money even for a young man for their parents to basically put him on an allowance under the authority of his runaway sister just in case she returned. Gods, I can't even imagine how hurtful and humiliating finding that out must have been for him. 

 

Taking the family fortune and estate might have been illegal and losing it was pretty embarrassing - although it's not like he just threw it all down a drain, maintaining that kind of wealth isn't easy even for people with a good sense for finances, especially not in environments as dysfunctional as Kirkwall where unstable stocks and market prices can bankrupt one person and make another rich on a dime - but Leandra had no reasonable claim on that money after having been absent for twenty years. Or even after running away in the first place and not making the trip to claim her inheritance after the parents' deaths, not even trying to make contact with their financiers from Ferelden.

 

When she does the "how could you?" thing and Gamlen finally looks her in the eye and straight out asks her what the hell he was supposed to have done, I can't help but agree with him. Something of an ass he may be, but most players are a bit too hard on him.

Malcom Hawke this HERETICAL CRIMINAL? What? O.o

[ThomasBlaine]

Malcom Hawke this HERETICAL CRIMINAL? What? O.o

 

That, at the very least, is what apostates are to the general populace and in political associations.

 

Come to think of it, if the mage Warden is assumed to be just a few years older than Carver and Bethany then him/her being discovered and dragged off to the circle could have been what what changed Leandra's parents' minds a little about Malcolm and by extension Leandra herself before they died. Too bad she never wised up.

[Catilina]

That, at the very least, is what apostates are to the general populace and in political associations.

 

Come to think of it, if the mage Warden is assumed to be just a few years older than Carver and Bethany then him/her being discovered and dragged off to the circle could have been what what changed Leandra's parents' minds a little about Malcolm and by extension Leandra herself before they died. Too bad she never wised up.

Yes, he was "apostate", but I dont think "heretic criminal". Okay, according to a bunch of people he was dangerous heretic criminal. True.

Leandra's parents later repented, that disowned their daughter. Too late.

 

The truth is that Gamlen did nothing to fulfill his parents' last will.