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[Mr_Q]

I think the approval points in that case are not because he approves of Morrigan drinking, but that he is approving of the Inquisitor NOT drinking.

 

 

But why? What difference does it make for him? That's what I don't understand. 

 

If he disapproves of both the Inquisitor and Morrigan using the Well of Sorrows why show approve points for one and disapproval points

for the other using the well? If the decision was trivial to Solas and he didn't want either the Inquisitor or Morrigan to use the Well in equal measure and approval points still needed to be indicated because of the game mechanics, why not use slightly approve or slightly disapprove instead? Unless the writers or Dragon Age team made a big mistake it seems quite deliberate too me. 

[nightscrawl]

Well again, there is left out dialogue that makes it appear that way. He is contradictory because he doesn't want anyone to drink, yet thinks it should be used, doesn't want to drink himself, but offers no explanation for that -- "No, don't ask again," doesn't want Morrigan to drink because he doesn't trust her, and is then is pissed when the Inquisitor drinks. It's like, WTF, man, what do you want me to do here? It plays out that way because of that missing dialogue. It is dumb.

 

The only explanation that I can come up with is that he knows the true consequences of drinking from the well (because of who he is), and thinks it is potentially harmful for someone as powerful and influential as the Inquisitor to be bound to the will of Mythal. This would apply to a friend or non-friend Inquisitor. While he may not trust Morrigan, he may have no such concerns over her. But this is just in my own reasoning.

[ArcadiaGrey]

I read somewhere that his approval points at the well were a mistake that the devs forgot to fix, so he said one thing but then disapproved if you did it.  Mind you, I didn't take Solas to the well so I don't have a clue.

 

Note to the OP tho -

 

Paragraphs, capital letters and punctuation are your friend.  You might want to try using them so we're not all bored to death by a wall of text. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

But why? What difference does it make for him? That's what I don't understand. 

 

If he disapproves of both the Inquisitor and Morrigan using the Well of Sorrows why show approve points for one and disapproval points

for the other using the well? If the decision was trivial to Solas and he didn't want either the Inquisitor or Morrigan to use the Well in equal measure and approval points still needed to be indicated because of the game mechanics, why not use slightly approve or slightly disapprove instead? Unless the writers or Dragon Age team made a big mistake it seems quite deliberate too me. 

 

Relevant:-

 

 

As for Solas being evil, well, he did let Corypheus gain access to his Orb, who then used it to kill lots of people, destroy lots of property and cause lots of suffering.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

Okay, OP... you have totally ruined the ellipsis for me.

[Almostfaceman]

I think the developers left a little clue in the game to expose that Solas is actually evil. Rather than the Dread Wolf he tries to convince you of... I think he is closer to the Dread Wolf from lore, you know the one who hides away, alone... hugging and giggling with laughter because he takes delight in trickery... he is insane, evil, and it even speculates he hates elves. The big clue... if you walk him through the Exalted Plains, after you completed Ghilan'Nain's Grove, you set up camp and pass through an elven graveyard... I know this because it is the same kind of Graves you find in the Emerald Graves, identical, with elven inscriptions, epitaph ... Solas will say "I like it here... it is quiet..." with this almost evil glee... it gave me chills... and I don't think the developers put it there by accident. The voice actor sounded sinister... with an undertone of delight... a smile. I thought Solas was this God like rebel... but after encountering that moment in the game... and after digging deeper into the lore, the inspiration for his character... he might be completely evil. I also suspect that is why they had to leave his romantic connection hanging... they wanted to stay true to his love of deception, his delight in misleading, drawing in... weakening others. Solas = Soul less... without a soul...

 

Huh. Nope.

 

[Medhia_Nox]

^ So you're referring only to approval points, then? In that video, at around 4:10 is Solas telling Morrigan to her face that she is a glutton drooling at the sight of a feast [power] and cannot be trusted.

 

I think the approval points in that case are not because he approves of Morrigan drinking, but that he is approving of the Inquisitor NOT drinking.

 

Keep in mind that the player in that video doesn't take most of the investigate options, so you do miss out on some Solas dialogue. He doesn't want either of them to drink, yet admits that it cannot go to waste. Because PW left out dialogue, we can't truly understand the reasoning behind his reaction.

 

SO much this... because I believe that the Well of Sorrows could have directly contributed to beating Solas in the future.

Basically - if Morrigan drinks - I think she's going to be key in crushing Solas.

 

If the Inquisitor drank - I think he/she will be key in crushing Solas. 

Because I think either character will be able to speak with the spirit of Mythal and work with her.

 

Solas hates people having more power than he does.

[Xerrai]

For every piece of evidence 'revealing' his villainous disposition, there can be anywhere from 1 to 3 pieces of evidence that either counteracts it or lends credence to the idea that Solas is not the villain as depicted by the Dalish.

He certainly isn't close to being a perfect good guy, but I don't see him as a guy who derives glee from suffering either.

[Lunatica]

 

 

I think the approval points in that case are not because he approves of Morrigan drinking, but that he is approving of the Inquisitor NOT drinking.

 

Solas: Cause and effect. Wisdom as its own reward

From his motto I thought he approved of Morrigan being punished by her own choice.

[Gaia300]

SO much this... because I believe that the Well of Sorrows could have directly contributed to beating Solas in the future.

Basically - if Morrigan drinks - I think she's going to be key in crushing Solas.

 

If the Inquisitor drank - I think he/she will be key in crushing Solas. 

Because I think either character will be able to speak with the spirit of Mythal and work with her.

 

Solas hates people having more power than he does.

It may be that Solas will be able to control the owner of the well of sorrow.

[Almostfaceman]

Solas hates people having more power than he does.

 

If this were the case he'd leave things exactly as they are, because he's clearly now (at the end of Trespasser) one of the most powerful beings scampering about the face of the globe. 

 

Tearing down the Veil just makes it possible for history to repeat itself... and that includes the possibility of beings existing or rising up as powerful if not more powerful than himself. But it's just like I tell Solas (as my Quizzy)... just because we make mistakes doesn't mean we quit trying to make things better. Yes, that's an actual conversation in the game, not silly head canon. 

[Al Foley]

If this were the case he'd leave things exactly as they are, because he's clearly now (at the end of Trespasser) one of the most powerful beings scampering about the face of the globe. 

 

Tearing down the Veil just makes it possible for history to repeat itself... and that includes the possibility of beings existing or rising up as powerful if not more powerful than himself. But it's just like I tell Solas (as my Quizzy)... just because we make mistakes doesn't mean we quit trying to make things better. Yes, that's an actual conversation in the game, not silly head canon. 

Where'd that happen?

[Almostfaceman]

Where'd that happen?

 

It's the post Well of Sorrow dialogue. This video covers all the options, but I'm talking about the one that starts at 1:22.

 

Yes... I've played this game wwaaayyyy too much. 

 

[Toasted Llama]

Who knew that an all powerful elf previously praised as a god, who created the Veil and now wants to destroy the current world for the selfish reasons of wanting his old world back is "evil".

 

 

And here I thought licking donuts was evil, but damn, you're really taking it far!

[Illegitimus]

Yes I have... numerous times... please read my other posts for additional information.

 

All those ellipses make long posts hard to read.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Huh. Nope.

 

I still love how the person driving the car pauses for a moment when they stop before turning around. 

[PapaCharlie9]

I don't know which is sadder, OP or the posts from folks who are mad that their Lavellan wasn't given a "Join Solas" for reals option in the finale to Trespasser, because, you know, bringing back the elven glory days would be so cool ...
 

I really wanna see the elves restored to their glory! Imagine going around Arlathan ! Ahhh the dream....

[lynroy]

I don't know which is sadder, OP or the posts from folks who are mad that their Lavellan wasn't given a "Join Solas" for reals option in the finale to Trespasser, because, you know, bringing back the elven glory days would be so cool ...
 

I may be too drunk to notice, but I didn't read any post like that in this thread. Or are you talking about posts like that made in other threads?

[MsCafeNoir]

Your theory is interesting, I'll probably start another playthrough to double check as I've never fully trusted Solas to be honest.

Though, why would Solas approve of Morrigan using the Well of Sorrows as opposed to the Inquisitor? Surely she would be aware of Solas's supposed treachery in equal measure to the Inquisitor by using the Wells?

My theory is he just doesn't want an elven to use it... they would have more use for the truth about themselves... the Elven people... the power... I don't think Solas wants to use it because it is the well of sorrows he caused, he would be tormented. I think if you are an elf and drink from the well of sorrows it is going to impact the next game significantly... a wolf in sheep's clothing... the great betrayer of his own kind... his people... he doesn't lie to you... they are careful with that... he gives you different pieces of the truth for his own deceptive delight... Coles character was introduced in contrast to his character I believe... it shows there are spirits in the flesh with a purpose... Cole... compassion... Solas... soul less without a soul... deception... trickery... there are even interpretations of pride... what pride has wrought... there is also lore that says he revels in it... delights in his deceptions... feels superior to others... I also believe it was Mythal who created the veil to bind Solas... but Solas killed her and used the veil to separate the two world... bind the Gods... he is in my opinion deceiving about the slavery... they were loyal to each other... powerful... immortal... and held to a moral standard... for someone like him who savors deception... trickery... it is like being bound against your true purpose... will... therefore a slave... when the elder one said there were no God's to be found in the golden city... it was because Solas bound them... separated them with Mythals veil... the one she created... the orb... he claims it as his own merely because it was meant to be his... it was made to be used on him... to bind him... the orb... his orb... that created the veil... that is the orb... the veil that Mythal created to bind him... hence why it is used to destroy wrifts... pieces of the veil... listen to what he tells you very catefully... read the codex... and consider his trickery of flemmeth... a human... he was never concerned with a human having Mythals power... he just doesn't want an elf to have it... that is his disproval... not because of some romantic worry... he doesn't want the elves to know the truth... their history... their inherent power... dormant because of him... so I predict you will be able to side as an elf against solas... or one who is deceived and sides with him... not knowing the whole truth... hence the romantic sentiments... which he may have used against Mythal herself... read up on the lore... the wolf that lays at Mythal feet... there is something too perfect about his writing... like they really cared... had to be really careful with him... subtle... and just because they might say otherwise.... that is just part of the game... the game they stressed you had to play in the winter palace... the dance...

[MsCafeNoir]

All those ellipses make long posts hard to read.

Sorry... it is how I keep my train of thoughts organized somewhat... a silly habit... ritual... that assists me in forming each thought as it comes to me...

[PapaCharlie9]

I may be too drunk to notice, but I didn't read any post like that in this thread. Or are you talking about posts like that made in other threads?

Other threads, other sites. The quote was from /r/dragonage.

[lynroy]

Oh, okay. I don't venture much beyond BSN for discussing these topics.

[MsCafeNoir]

For every piece of evidence 'revealing' his villainous disposition, there can be anywhere from 1 to 3 pieces of evidence that either counteracts it or lends credence to the idea that Solas is not the villain as depicted by the Dalish.

He certainly isn't close to being a perfect good guy, but I don't see him as a guy who derives glee from suffering either.

Read the lore... he is literally described as a lone wolf who hides away... hugging himself and giggling with glee reliving his deceptions... prideful in his tricks... hence what pride has wrought...

[MsCafeNoir]

He is the Dread wolf... the deceiver... the trickster... skillful as a God... even good enough in his craft to be trusted by the Gods... the Elven people represent the Gods in their God like potential... power... immortality... their natural ability to draw from the fade... the spiritual realm... nature... hence magic... in his pride he wanted to deceive the best... the elven... however I do believe that your character... the one you created... regardless of race is special some how... in touch with the fade... drawn in... pulled out... Cole implies the spirits of the fade watch you... like you... can follow you... you are brighter some how...

[Almostfaceman]

Read the lore... he is literally described as a lone wolf who hides away... hugging himself and giggling with glee reliving his deceptions... prideful in his tricks... hence what pride has wrought...

 

You mean Dalish legends, not lore.

 

It was revealed in Trespasser that the Evanuris had a propaganda war going on because they were trying to prevent slaves from trusting Solas to help free them. That's where the "trickster" legends sprang from, that and from those elves that survived the Veil who were pissed at Solas for screwing up their civilization and messing with their status over the slaves. 

 

 

So water, your argument holds none. At least according to information from the games. You're entitled to head canon, of course.