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[PapaCharlie9]

Replace "complete sausage fest" with "not a harem" and all becomes clear.

Solution: play a female, do the Blackwall romance, imagine you are Blackwall during all the cutscenes. Problem solved!

[Jedi Comedian]

Replace "complete sausage fest" with "not a harem" and all becomes clear.

Solution: play a female, do the Blackwall romance, imagine you are Blackwall during all the cutscenes. Problem solved!

I have a better solution: play fem Inq and bang Sera. Enjoy the watermelon fest.

[Spirit Vanguard]

Oh, Maker...

 

[BansheeOwnage]

Does that mean what I think it means?

I don't think so, I'm just talking about food

 

This is the time in the thead where I appear out of nowhere and point out that since they started doing romances, BioWare have written full relationships with forty humans, eleven aliens, eight elves, two half-elves, an azer, a nymph, a tiefling and a one-eyed Qunari. And zero dwarves. (Apparently an azer is a bit like a dwarf that is on fire, though. I never played Kingmaker.)

 

It is indeed time for dwarf romance in DA4.

Well when you put it like that... Yeah, we're due for some dwarf romances. I'm fairly neutral about it, but really, none, ever? That should change.

 

I have a better solution: play fem Inq and bang Sera. Enjoy the watermelon fest.

[SmilesJA]

We should get a dwarf romance soon. I hope.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Maybe next game they can give us a setting for romance in OPTIONS. You tick All Straight, All Bi, All Homosexual, Default Mixed preferences and, every NPC in the game could be romanced. Would everyone be happy then?

 

Probably not.

[nightscrawl]

^ They may as well be Skyrim romances at that point.

[Jedi Comedian]

Maybe next game they can give us a setting for romance in OPTIONS. You tick All Straight, All Bi, All Homosexual, Default Mixed preferences and, every NPC in the game could be romanced. Would everyone be happy then?

Probably not.

All bi/homosex... LMFAO.

[ThePhoenixKing]

Yeah, the gender/sexuality ratio of the romance options in the franchise hasn't been a problem. Their characterizations and the writing in the romances themselves, maybe. But a relatively equal mix of genders and sexual orientations? That's nothing to get upset over. Really, as long as the characters are all written well, I suppose it doesn't really matter one way or the other.

 

Also permit me to add my voice to the chorus and plead for a dwarf romance in the next game. If it's Sigrun or Scout Harding, even better.

[daveliam]

Well, let's take a look at the numbers:

 

7 female LIs:

• Morrigan - straight human mage
• Leliana - bisexual human rogue
• Isabela - bisexual human rogue
• Merrill - bisexual elf mage
• Cassandra - straight human warrior
• Sera - lesbian elf rogue
• Josephine - bisexual human NPC

10 male LIs:

• Alistair - straight human warrior
• Zevran - bisexual elf rogue
• Anders - bisexual human mage
• Fenris - bisexual elf warrior
• Sebastian - straight human rogue
• Cullen - straight human NPC
• Solas - straight elf mage
• Dorian - gay human mage
• Blackwall - straight human warrior
• Iron Bull - bisexual qunari warrior

To break it down further:

 

Sexuality:

• Straight - 29% of female; 50% of male
• Bisexual - 57% of female; 40% of male
• Gay - 14% of female; 10% of male

Race:

• Human - 71% of female; 60% of male
• Elf - 29% of female; 30% of male
• Qunari - 0% of female; 10% of male
• Dwarf - 0% of female; 0% of male

Class:

• Warrior - 14% of female; 40% of male
• Rogue - 43% of female; 20% of male
• Mage - 29% of female; 30% of male
• NPCs - 14% of female; 10% of male

 

So looking at trends, there are more males than females, sure.  But it's only 3 more (a ratio of 59% to 41%), so that's not really all that bad.  There does seem to be a trend towards LGBT female rogues.  43% of all female LI's are LGBT rogues (it would be even higher should you consider Josephine as one, given that she was a bard).  And there is a huge lack of racial diversity for female LI's, with humans accounting for over 70% of the LI's and two of the races being 0%.

 

All that being said -- It's not that bad.  It's certainly not "a sausage fest".  But they could certainly stand to mix things up a bit.

[Dai Grepher]

It might be time for BioWare to just have female romancible characters.

Of course, my solution is to have customizable romancibles. That fixes everything.

[nightscrawl]

Well, let's take a look at the numbers:

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So looking at trends, there are more males than females, sure.  But it's only 3 more (a ratio of 59% to 41%), so that's not really all that bad.  There does seem to be a trend towards LGBT female rogues.  43% of all female LI's are LGBT rogues (it would be even higher should you consider Josephine as one, given that she was a bard).  And there is a huge lack of racial diversity for female LI's, with humans accounting for over 70% of the LI's and two of the races being 0%.
 
All that being said -- It's not that bad.  It's certainly not "a sausage fest".  But they could certainly stand to mix things up a bit.

 
Yay hard numbers!
 
I think the only thing that should be factored into the thought process -- because it can't be taken into consideration with numbers alone -- is the devs' reasoning behind the LI choices vis-a-vis sexuality in each of the games.

DAO, while still offering more options than many/most other games, continued the trend of having a bisexual romance option for either gender that was also supposed to fill the same-sex option for those players interested in same-sex romance.

With DA2, they purposefully went with all bi romances (discounting DLC Sebastian) because of fairness.

With DAI, we had many more NPCs, thus many more romances, and the franchise was able to have its first exclusively gay romances for the first time, in addition to the usual slate of straight and bisexual romance options.

So I do think the evolving state of these games should be taken into consideration whenever discussing this issue.

In the next game there may NOT be the variety of LIs available and they may return to all bi (although I think many might consider this a regression; I know I would). We just can't know at this time.

 

 

As a miscellaneous tidbit, we also had Tallis, whom you could flirt with and expressed interest, a bi elf female rogue. Hits just a few markers, eh? And then of course there was Harding, a bi dwarf female rogue.

[Jedi Comedian]

It might be time for BioWare to just have female romancible characters.

Of course, my solution is to have customizable romancibles. That fixes everything.

I have to say the straight male romances in DAI were rather... odd, specially the fact one of them was not even a follower.

[vertigomez]

It might be time for BioWare to just have female romancible characters.

No.

Of course, my solution is to have customizable romancibles. That fixes everything.

What does this even mean? It sounds like they'd be less of a character and more of a customizable sex doll. Do not want.

Well, let's take a look at the numbers:
 
7 female LIs:

• Morrigan - straight human mage
• Leliana - bisexual human rogue
• Isabela - bisexual human rogue
• Merrill - bisexual elf mage
• Cassandra - straight human warrior
• Sera - lesbian elf rogue
• Josephine - bisexual human NPC

10 male LIs:

• Alistair - straight human warrior
• Zevran - bisexual elf rogue
• Anders - bisexual human mage
• Fenris - bisexual elf warrior
• Sebastian - straight human rogue
• Cullen - straight human NPC
• Solas - straight elf mage
• Dorian - gay human mage
• Blackwall - straight human warrior
• Iron Bull - bisexual qunari warrior

To break it down further:
 
Sexuality:

• Straight - 29% of female; 50% of male
• Bisexual - 57% of female; 40% of male
• Gay - 14% of female; 10% of male

Race:

• Human - 71% of female; 60% of male
• Elf - 29% of female; 30% of male
• Qunari - 0% of female; 10% of male
• Dwarf - 0% of female; 0% of male

Class:

• Warrior - 14% of female; 40% of male
• Rogue - 43% of female; 20% of male
• Mage - 29% of female; 30% of male
• NPCs - 14% of female; 10% of male

 
So looking at trends, there are more males than females, sure.  But it's only 3 more (a ratio of 59% to 41%), so that's not really all that bad.  There does seem to be a trend towards LGBT female rogues.  43% of all female LI's are LGBT rogues (it would be even higher should you consider Josephine as one, given that she was a bard).  And there is a huge lack of racial diversity for female LI's, with humans accounting for over 70% of the LI's and two of the races being 0%.
 
All that being said -- It's not that bad.  It's certainly not "a sausage fest".  But they could certainly stand to mix things up a bit.

I have nothing useful to add except: dave _____.

[CuriousArtemis]

Maybe next game they can give us a setting for romance in OPTIONS. You tick All Straight, All Bi, All Homosexual, Default Mixed preferences and, every NPC in the game could be romanced. Would everyone be happy then?

 

Probably not.

 

 

^ They may as well be Skyrim romances at that point.

 

Skyrim has one thing over BioWare games: I can romance whoever the hell I want. The fact that I can do so isn't directly related to the fact that Skyrim characters have zero personality.

 

I never get the toggle suggestion. It makes less since than the "all bi" argument (which I favor, obviously lol).

 

Toggle suggestion just seems to want to make the straight homophobes feel better and expunge all teh gay from their game.

[Jedi Comedian]

I don't think so, I'm just talking about food

Well when you put it like that... Yeah, we're due for some dwarf romances. I'm fairly neutral about it, but really, none, ever? That should change.

Why so glum?

[Jedi Comedian]

I have to say the straight male romances in DAI were rather... odd, specially the fact one of them was not even a follower.

It makes you wonder... isn't a little heterophobic having one of the two straight male LIs as a non-follower when gays get 2 follower LIs? It's definetly a bit strange.

[Xilizhra]

It makes you wonder... isn't a little heterophobic having one of the two straight male LIs as a non-follower when gays get 2 follower LIs? It's definetly a bit strange.

Well, given that lesbians have the exact same LI, no. I also can't really imagine a game with four different LIs available for straight women can be called "heterophobic."

[Jedi Comedian]

Well, given that lesbians have the exact same LI, no. I also can't really imagine a game with four different LIs available for straight women can be called "heterophobic."

Was talking about str8 men.

[Yermogi]

If I remember right, and I might not, azer are dwarves or dwarf like creatures that come from the elemental plane of fire.

Ah, Calibast... I loved that guy. I was so sad they didn't continue that particular plot-line. Would have been quite interesting.

 

Also, I find the complaints about the romances to be unfounded. There are equal romance options for every preference, as has been stated in previous posts, and compared to the unholy nightmare that was ME3, Inquisition is so much an improvement when it comes to romance that its ridiculous.

[nightscrawl]

Was talking about str8 men.

 

Straight men do not have a monopoly on heterosexuality. You can't just ignore the fact that one of the LIs for straight women was also an advisor, and that there were three straight romance options for women -- Cullen, Solas, Blackwall. If we add Cassandra to that, the ratio of heterosexual to non-heterosexual is EQUAL. It is completely absurd to say that it is in any way "heterophobic."

 

Also, the advisor romances were complete romances, as all the others, including both Cullen and Solas, who were added later on. The ME games also had non-follower NPC LIs as well and I know no one is going to accuse those games of being heterophobic.

[nightscrawl]

Also, randomly to Dave's post, can't both Cullen and Josephine be classified as warrior and rogue respectively? Cullen is a templar, so he's obviously a warrior, and Josephine dabbled with bard stuff in her youth, so I'd think that qualifies as sufficiently roguish. To phrase it another way, if Cullen had been a gay or bi LI, he would have satisfied the gay/bi KISA category, even though he doesn't fill a party slot as a warrior. To my mind, that adds another straight male warrior, and bi female rogue to the statistics.

 

(Although I grant that it is more of a stretch for Josephine.)

[Xilizhra]

Also, the advisor romances were complete romances, as all the others, including both Cullen and Solas, who were added later on. The ME games also had non-follower NPC LIs as well and I know no one is going to accuse those games of being heterophobic.

Well, two things: all of ME's non-squad LIs were either gay or bisexual, and "complete" is not a constant amount: having done both Josephine's and Sera's romances, the latter has way more content.

[nightscrawl]

^ Complete is up to the character writer. The writer wrote a complete romance arc for Josephine. It is complete according to that metric. I was not comparing the amount of content to other LIs.

[Jedi Comedian]

Straight men do not have a monopoly on heterosexuality. You can't just ignore the fact that one of the LIs for straight women was also an advisor, and that there were three straight romance options for women -- Cullen, Solas, Blackwall. If we add Cassandra to that, the ratio of heterosexual to non-heterosexual is EQUAL. It is completely absurd to say that it is in any way "heterophobic."

Also, the advisor romances were complete romances, as all the others, including both Cullen and Solas, who were added later on. The ME games also had non-follower NPC LIs as well and I know no one is going to accuse those games of being heterophobic.

ME had a much more balanced LI selection.