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[nightscrawl]

^ Again, the ratio of hetero and non-hetero romances in DAI is equal.

[thats1evildude]

Not exactly? Heterosexual women get more than the rest of us. Granted, their romances are more likely to end in tragedy, but I don't think many women are complaining. (SOLAAAAS OUR FORBIDDEN LOVE WILL ENDURE)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

ME had a much more balanced LI selection.

What? 

[nightscrawl]

Not exactly? Heterosexual women get more than the rest of us.

 
So? That's not what is in question. "Heterosexual" is for men and women, not JUST MEN.

If you want to turn the thread into another complaint that women into men, particularly female elves, got the most options, then just say that.

[thats1evildude]

You said the ratio of Herero and non-Hetero romances is equal. But it's not. Hetero ladies get more options than gay men, gay women and straight men. Hence, Hetero>Gay.

(Well, technically bi ladies get the most options, but that's part of the bisexual package.)

[phoray]

You said the ratio of Herero and non-Hetero romances is equal. But it's not. Hetero ladies get more options than gay men, gay women and straight men.
(Well, technically bi ladies get the most, but bisexuals always do.)

The only way "completely equal" could be accomplished is 100% bisexual like DA2, which folk seemed to hate. Or a huge amount of companion characters. 9 was overwhelming for me sometimes to keep up with, I can't imagine having yet more.

[nightscrawl]

You said the ratio of Herero and non-Hetero romances is equal. But it's not. Hetero ladies get more options than gay men, gay women and straight men. Hence, Hetero>Gay.

(Well, technically bi ladies get the most options, but that's part of the bisexual package.)

Yes, they ARE equal if you take heterosexual to be for straight men and women, which means to combine them. The claim was that it was "heterophobic." You cannot say something like that and refer only to straight men as if straight women don't count. Heterosexuality is not the sole purview of straight men.
 
Hetero romance options are: Cullen, Solas, Blackwall, Cassandra. (4)
Non-hetero romance options are: Iron Bull, Josephine, Dorian, Sera. (4)


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I don't argue that women into men, particularly elves, get the most over everyone, but that isn't what the original statement was; it was that it was "heterophobic," and that is what I am addressing.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 15 juin 2016 - 02:27 .

[thats1evildude]

That's one way of looking at it, I guess.

[BansheeOwnage]

 

As a miscellaneous tidbit, we also had Tallis, whom you could flirt with and expressed interest, a bi elf female rogue. Hits just a few markers, eh? And then of course there was Harding, a bi dwarf female rogue.

Why are there so many bi/gay female rogues, anyway? I mean, I don't think there is a single straight one. It just seems oddly stacked to me. I'd be very pleased if Bioware moved away from rogues being "deviants" who are often bi and sometimes gay, too. For the Maker's sake, let's mix things up and have some gay/bi KISAs, in their stead. The mages seem fine as they are though.

 

Why so glum?

Two reasons, if you really want to know.

 

1. Thinking of Sera like that makes me physically sick to my stomach Compounded with:

 

2. Being numb about the lesbian romances always being the most fanservice-y And not for the benefit of lesbians, at least mostly.

 

Also, randomly to Dave's post, can't both Cullen and Josephine be classified as warrior and rogue respectively? Cullen is a templar, so he's obviously a warrior, and Josephine dabbled with bard stuff in her youth, so I'd think that qualifies as sufficiently roguish. To phrase it another way, if Cullen had been a gay or bi LI, he would have satisfied the gay/bi KISA category, even though he doesn't fill a party slot as a warrior. To my mind, that adds another straight male warrior, and bi female rogue to the statistics.

 

(Although I grant that it is more of a stretch for Josephine.)

I had those exact thoughts too.

[Yermogi]

What? 

It still pisses me off, just looking at this image...

[nightscrawl]

Why are there so many bi/gay female rogues, anyway? I mean, I don't think there is a single straight one. It just seems oddly stacked to me. I'd be very pleased if Bioware moved away from rogues being "deviants" who are often bi and sometimes gay, too. For the Maker's sake, let's mix things up and have some gay/bi KISAs, in their stead. The mages seem fine as they are though.

Funny you should say that, as we had a f/f rogue relationship in the Magekiller comic as well.

[BansheeOwnage]

What? 

If I could like this more than once, I would. Thanks for finding that picture. It's also worth noting that if Kaidan was killed in ME1 and Garrus was not romanced in ME2, there are literally zero straight options for Femshep in ME3. For that reason alone, I don't get bothered that straight women got more options in DA:I.

 

At least they are improving though.

[BansheeOwnage]

Funny you should say that, as we had a f/f rogue relationship in the Magekiller comic as well.

Ah yes, good point. You've reminded me that at the time, I also had the thought that Bioware (and apparently other writers, I guess) has some sort of fascination with bi/gay female rogues. I understand why they tend to have more gay/bi females than males (including all NPCs) even if it makes me sad, but I have to admit I don't know why they're so often rogues. Is it just rogue stereotypes and bi stereotypes overlapping, or something else?

[Xilizhra]

What? 

This is somewhat misleading, as Kelly and Diana aren't full romances. Lesbians are no better off here than straight women.

[Yermogi]

If I could like this more than once, I would. Thanks for finding that picture. It's also worth noting that if Kaidan was killed in ME1 and Garrus was not romanced in ME2, there are literally zero straight options for Femshep in ME3. For that reason alone, I don't get bothered that straight women got more options in DA:I.

 

At least they are improving though.

I mean, after the fiasco that they had with ME3, they'd be complete and utter  morons not to improve. They got so much (rightly deserved) grief about that horrendous mess that passed as a game.

 

Personally, I very, very much like that each romance in Inquisition has a specific sexuality preference. To me, that's more realistic than everyone being bi, or everyone being straight. Now, as a straight female who plays straight females, I can appreciate having every male romance option available to me, but I think it's better writing and creates better characters to have each character and their sexualities be defined by their personalities and history rather than "We want to make everyone happy, so everyone gets to romance everyone!"

 

This is somewhat misleading, as Kelly and Diana aren't full romances. Lesbians are no better off here than straight women.

Either way, femShep gets the short end of the stick.

[Xilizhra]

and their sexualities be defined by their personalities and history

Er, sexual orientation is defined by neither.

[thats1evildude]

I guess Bioware believes there's something inherently gay about attacking from behind.

Also, I would caution against using the inequity of one Bioware series as justification for any inequity in another Bioware series. Not all DA fans play Mass Effect and vice versa. I'm an example of the former.

[Yermogi]

Er, sexual orientation is defined by neither.

In real life, no it isn't, but written character can be different. Sometimes you write a character and you don't think about those kinds of things until after you've written out their history, and then you think about it.

 

My point was that the romances are more nuanced and changed for the individual characters, which is good.

[nightscrawl]

I guess Bioware believes there's something inherently gay about attacking from behind.

I get the joke, but most of them have been women, so...

Zevran
 
Leliana
Isabela
Tallis (flirtation, optional kiss)
Sera
Harding (semi-romance)

[Qun00]

As a guy, I am very satisfied. I'll never understand these complaints about lack of options or they quality.

We've got Cassandra motherfucking Pentaghast and that's all anyone could ask for.

In truth, it is queer women that need our sympathy, for they've been deprived of her *aroused noise* and the glorious feeling of having sex in full heavy armor.

[SmilesJA]

Skyrim has one thing over BioWare games: I can romance whoever the hell I want. The fact that I can do so isn't directly related to the fact that Skyrim characters have zero personality.

 

 

 

Quality over quantity for me, I prefer the Bioware romances.

[SmilesJA]

For that reason alone, I don't get bothered that straight women got more options in DA:I.

 

 

 

Well I am!   (okay maybe a little....)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This is somewhat misleading, as Kelly and Diana aren't full romances. Lesbians are no better off here than straight women.

Kelly is. If you import a romance with her from ME2 to ME3 and then complete that, you get the Paramour achievement. 

[Jedi Comedian]

What?

I meant balanced for maleshep.

[Jedi Comedian]

^ Again, the ratio of hetero and non-hetero romances in DAI is equal.

Just like IRL.

I prefered it the way it was in DAO to be honest.