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[ThePhoenixKing]

Doesn't excuse the fact you can't even so much bring the topic up with her. 

 

Indeed, it is a shame that you can't pop the question to Josie at all. Oh, well, guess that frees her up for kinky, sexy funtimes with Leliana and the Warden then

[phoray]

There's no way in Hell that Josephine would have done a wedding that quickly. It's Josephine; it would have to be some huge affair with all of her family that she could spend a great deal of time on arranging.

Yes. Both the marriages were impetuous. Sera because she's a jumper and Cullen is like 40; he's just ready.

[Yermogi]

Yes. Both the marriages were impetuous. Sera because she's a jumper and Cullen is like 40; he's just ready.

40? According to the wiki he should be about 33 when Trespasser takes place. It says he was born in 9:11, and Inquisition takes place in 9:41-43.

 

Likewise, Blackwall says that he met the warden who recruited him (the real Blackwall) when he was 30 years old. Then he spent the next 5-6 years wandering as a fake warden trying to do good, which puts him at 36-37 during Inquisition, and 39-40 during Trespasser.

 

Of course, given the events that have taken place during both their lives, it would not be at all surprising that all the stress had taken a toll on them physically, making them appear older than they are.

[Andraste_Reborn]

 

Likewise, Blackwall says that he met the warden who recruited him (the real Blackwall) when he was 30 years old. Then he spent the next 5-6 years wandering as a fake warden trying to do good, which puts him at 36-37 during Inquisition, and 39-40 during Trespasser.

 

What's the source on that? (I ask because his writer, Sheryl Chee, said he was around forty-five during Inquisition. I guess she might have changed her mind later?)

[Yermogi]

What's the source on that? (I ask because his writer, Sheryl Chee, said he was around forty-five during Inquisition. I guess she might have changed her mind later?)

There is dialogue in game where if you ask Blackwall about his past as a Warden, he will say that he was recruited when he was around 30 and spent the next 6 years as a Warden.

 

Of course, he could be lying then as he lied about being Blackwall, but since it did say in the Codex that there was about a 5 year gap between the last sightings of him, it's possible that he's telling the truth about that.

[phoray]

40? According to the wiki he should be about 33 when Trespasser takes place. It says he was born in 9:11, and Inquisition takes place in 9:41-43.

 

Likewise, Blackwall says that he met the warden who recruited him (the real Blackwall) when he was 30 years old. Then he spent the next 5-6 years wandering as a fake warden trying to do good, which puts him at 36-37 during Inquisition, and 39-40 during Trespasser.

 

Of course, given the events that have taken place during both their lives, it would not be at all surprising that all the stress had taken a toll on them physically, making them appear older than they are.

 

You know what, 33 makes sense. I think I was like, Origins/expansions was 5ish years and then DA2 was 10, and he started out at twenty, but now that I actually map out that timeline better, yeah. Origins overlapped DA2 so it doesn't matter what the Warden did over that time. Cullen looks older and man, Blackwall looks super older.

[Andraste_Reborn]

There is dialogue in game where if you ask Blackwall about his past as a Warden, he will say that he was recruited when he was around 30 and spent the next 6 years as a Warden.

 

I don't suppose you know how it's phrased? I'm having trouble finding it on the Wiki, and Google is no help.

 

(The only thing World of Thedas 2 says is that the real Gordon Blackwall was recruited by the Wardens in 9:17.)

[Qun00]

I don't suppose you know how it's phrased? I'm having trouble finding it on the Wiki, and Google is no help.

(The only thing World of Thedas 2 says is that the real Gordon Blackwall was recruited by the Wardens in 9:17.)

And that he disappeared around 9:36.

[Andraste_Reborn]

And that he disappeared around 9:36.

 

Yes, but that doesn't have much bearing on anyone's age age. (Well, we can calculate that Real Blackwall was with the Wardens nineteen years and has to have been at least thirty-five when he died. Probably older, since they don't seem to recruit a lot of teenagers.)

[vertigomez]

Yes. Both the marriages were impetuous. Sera because she's a jumper and Cullen is like 40; he's just ready.

To be fair, Sera had been thinking about it and working up the nerve to ask Inky for a looooooong time. The wedding itself was shotgun-y, but she said yes! So why wait?

[Yermogi]

I don't suppose you know how it's phrased? I'm having trouble finding it on the Wiki, and Google is no help.

 

(The only thing World of Thedas 2 says is that the real Gordon Blackwall was recruited by the Wardens in 9:17.)

I can't find the exact lines online; I looked as well and people only record the cut-scenes. LeSigh. The conversation where he mentions when he was recruited isn't in a cutscene, it's a regular discussion. I got it shortly after arriving at Skyhold, and I asked him about the Wardens. One of the options (I think) brought up when and how he was recruited, and from what I remember he says he was about 30 at the time, and then says he spent the next 6 years wandering around finding recruits.

 

But of course things in the game are retconned on a regular basis; things slip past the writers and get into the game all the time, so maybe it was a line that they didn't double-check to make sure it coincided with the timeline correctly? I don't know, it's just what I remember hearing in-game.

[jlb524]

There's no way in Hell that Josephine would have done a wedding that quickly. It's Josephine; it would have to be some huge affair with all of her family that she could spend a great deal of time on arranging.

 

Josephine was also super stressed that whole DLC b/c some rude person kept walking out of meetings with Ferelden/Orlesian dignitaries and she had to deal with it.

[PapaCharlie9]

and what's most important is trying to have all romances be given quality writing.

I couldn't agree more.

[PapaCharlie9]

Oooh, I forgot about that one! It's from the same banter as above, only with this added to it:

Vivienne (if she's Divine): Yes, well, I wish you the best of luck having that recognized.
Sera: Look into my eye, Vivvy. Recognize it.

So, err, I'd wager that the Divine has the final say in this sort of thing, if their marriage was the religious sort.

In context, shouldn't we read Viv's objection to be based on the mismatch in class and rank, rather than on sexual orientation? Although in that particular video, why she cares about the class and rank of a Carta dwarf I couldn't say.

[PapaCharlie9]

Well, yes, that was either just laziness or a weird time crunch. The actual marriages themselves were so rushed that I feel more or less the same way about them.

Agreed. I did like the Sera wedding at first, but after the initial fan-service feels wore off, I was disappointed. I can't decide if it was just the best they could do with the time they had, or a cynical manipulation for feels.

[nightscrawl]

In context, shouldn't we read Viv's objection to be based on the mismatch in class and rank, rather than on sexual orientation? Although in that particular video, why she cares about the class and rank of a Carta dwarf I couldn't say.

 

Inquisitor trumps being formerly of the Carta, just sayin'.

[vertigomez]

In context, shouldn't we read Viv's objection to be based on the mismatch in class and rank, rather than on sexual orientation?

It's definitely classism. I mean, the entire line of conversation is about how Sera's "moving up" and the Inquisitor wasted her own marriageability on a no-name elven troublemaker.

Although in that particular video, why she cares about the class and rank of a Carta dwarf I couldn't say.

Regardless of Cadash's background (or Adaar's, or Lavellan's), at this point they're the Inquisitor and that carries a whole lot more weight than anything else.

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[Qun00]

Solas is my canon romance because I think that enhances the main plot.

 

At the same time, I think Cullen and Sera have the best romance arcs. And while Cassandra is my favorite character in the game,  her romance isn't that good.

 

It is a mixed bag.

[Solace]

Dear devs,

 

**** compelling romance that involve two people with a unique relationships ( EX: Batman/Cat-woman). Give us a bunch of romances with a few flirts and a **** romance scene, but make sure you give at least one companion more attention, because we would not want it to be obvious that the romance in question is what you felt would of been a unique relationship that would of linked itself to the main theme/plot of your story and or character. No, we want you to sacrifice storytelling, so that we can get two romance options for every species, of every sexuality, of every gender, or hell, no gender, because we want you to be politically correct more than we want romances that tell a good story,  are well thought out, and overall leave us heartbroken/joyful, despite not always fitting our own sexual preferences, and maybe having significantly fewer options for romance.

 

P.S That black-screen/ ******/ASS SHOT IS FIRE!

[vertigomez]

Dear devs,
 
**** compelling romance that involve two people with a unique relationships ( EX: Batman/Cat-woman). Give us a bunch of romances with a few flirts and a **** romance scene, but make sure you give at least one companion more attention, because we would not want it to be obvious that the romance in question is what you felt would of been a unique relationship that would of linked itself to the main theme/plot of your story and or character. No, we want you to sacrifice storytelling, so that we can get two romance options for every species, of every sexuality, of every gender, or hell, no gender, because we want you to be politically correct more than we want romances that tell a good story,  are well thought out, and overall leave us heartbroken/joyful, despite not always fitting our own sexual preferences, and maybe having significantly fewer options for romance.
 
P.S That black-screen/ ******/ASS SHOT IS FIRE!

Don't know what you're talking about. Several people here found romances that left them heartbroken/joyful and that told a good story.

But I guess you'd feel the same way if the "not always fitting our own sexual preferences" thing meant cutting straight romances, right?

[nightscrawl]

Whether the Solas romance adds to the story is really up to personal perspective. I'm not that into elves or elven lore in general, so it doesn't matter to me. Really, the ONLY failure with that is the lore reveal about the vallaslin, which the player only learns if they are playing an elf female that romances him; I think all elves should learn that and that it should not have been gated behind the romance. Having him remove it can still be gated to the romance, but the information itself should not have been.

 

I think romances are a great way to show another side of the character that the player doesn't get to see otherwise; pain, vulnerability, and other such things that are reserved for particular people. But a major lore reveal? No, have that for everyone, or not at all.

[Gervaise]

I agree that it should have been available to all.   However, they probably realised that a Lavellan not in a relationship with him would be more inclined to ask "How in the hell do you know that?" and expect something a bit more precise than "I saw it in the Fade".    The odd thing is they could have brought it out in Trespasser, with you asking "why did you remove people's vallaslin?"   In fact any Inquisitor could have done that, not just an elven one.  

 

The annoying part about trying to keep the relationship going with Solas is that you had to overlook quizzing him about things that sounded off in order to choose the heart icon.   That is why I preferred my male Lavellan because I wasn't being distracted by the romance and could occasionally put him on the spot, though not as much as I would have liked to have done, particularly after the Temple of Mythal.     To be honest I didn't like the fact that PW admitted they used the romance in order to try and make Solas a more sympathetic character.   Clearly they were successful in this, judging from the defence of him put up on these boards but I felt used by the writers and objected to being manipulated in that way.

[Solace]

Don't know what you're talking about. Several people here found romances that left them heartbroken/joyful and that told a good story.

But I guess you'd feel the same way if the "not always fitting our own sexual preferences" thing meant cutting straight romances, right?

Actually yes. It's a video game. I have done playthroughs where my character was a gay male that romanced other gay/bi companions. I would be fine with only having gay romances in a video game. But anyway, if you enjoyed the romances, and thought they were meaningful, that's all that matters, what I think is irrelevant . In my opinion though, since there are so many, because it helps sales and what not, most of them feel rather rushed, with one or two of them getting more attention than the others.

[Asha'bellanar]

I haven't seen any same-sex couples married in the game, commoner or noble. But again, I could be wrong.

At the Winter Palace, there is a noble gay couple. You can hear them having an argument in the vestibule as you wander around trying to eavesdrop and other such things. They may or may not be married, but they live together because one says to the other "I'm not talking to you until we get home!" They definitely bicker like an old married couple, I can tell you that.

[nightscrawl]

At the Winter Palace, there is a noble gay couple. You can hear them having an argument in the vestibule as you wander around trying to eavesdrop and other such things. They may or may not be married, but they live together because one says to the other "I'm not talking to you until we get home!" They definitely bicker like an old married couple, I can tell you that.

 

I love those guys. My Inquisitor has wistful thoughts about himself and Dorian while listening to them. Gotta make it though this alive first, though, right?