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[Blooddrunk1004]

I like the name but i dislike how the entire ship looks like smaller and inferior copy of Normandy.

[dorktainian]

i was kinda expecting it to be some reaper derivative to be honest, but i guess that was wishful thinking on my part.

 

The trailer (of sorts) looked nice though.

[Gonder]

I love it, it's badass; reminiscent of the Normandy, yet very unique and futuristic; I do like, indeed.

 

I highly doubt that this actually is the Normandy. If anything, the Tempest's design was purposely inspired by the Normandy through its fame, though to think that this is a highly retrofitted Normandy is a little outlandish. Perhaps we will get a chance to hear what became of the Normandy? That could be pretty neat.

[The Elder King]

I would have loved something more rugged, industrial-looking. This ship looks so elegant and squeaky clean it looks like it was made by someone who designs sport sneakers. 

 

Something along the line of this, looks way more interesting 

 

I'd have liked a new and different design, but I wouldn't have liked this kind of ship.

[Aimi]

I know, but I like classy French names. "Burgundy" or "Provence" would have been fun.

  

It needs to be a battle, so it'd need to be something like "Verdun" or "Crécy".

Yeah. Thing is, a lot of battles have an awful lot of baggage. Pick Verdun, and you have to grapple with the ugly circumstances of the outbreak of the war and the unusual futility and brutality of the battle itself. Pick Crécy, and you're celebrating the triumph of a vicious invader. Normandy is a lot easier from a symbolic perspective: a victorious battle fought to liberate a continent from the most vile and horrific regime in human history.

Those obviously aren't easy to come by. They're certainly not easy to come by if you restrict yourself to French names. Perhaps SSV Châlons, after this battle? Most of the heroic aspects of it are myth, but then, most of the actual story of the battle is myth. The traditional narrative of a victory, won by the dying light of Roman civilization against a rapacious invader, certainly plays well, regardless of whether it bears any resemblance to reality.

[Catastrophy]

  

Yeah. Thing is, a lot of battles have an awful lot of baggage. Pick Verdun, and you have to grapple with the ugly circumstances of the outbreak of the war and the unusual futility and brutality of the battle itself. Pick Crécy, and you're celebrating the triumph of a vicious invader. Normandy is a lot easier from a symbolic perspective: a victorious battle fought to liberate a continent from the most vile and horrific regime in human history.

Those obviously aren't easy to come by. They're certainly not easy to come by if you restrict yourself to French names. Perhaps SSV Châlons, after this battle? Most of the heroic aspects of it are myth, but then, most of the actual story of the battle is myth. The traditional narrative of a victory, won by the dying light of Roman civilization against a rapacious invader, certainly plays well, regardless of whether it bears any resemblance to reality.

Good points.

Now I was thinking - "Tempest" doesn't follow the usual naming convention. It's either battles, mountains, famous people and that. Maybe because the ship doesn't fit into the general rating classification (frigate, cruiser, dread0, carrier)?

[UpUpAway]

Perhaps.. Tepest is a hint to "the tempest" from shakespear an the known quote "Brave new World" out of that.

 

Or its the Storm the Rider in the Sky is riding on ... the interpretations contest can begin

 

“Our revels now are ended. These our actors,
As I foretold you, were all spirits and
Are melted into air, into thin air:
And, like the baseless fabric of this vision,
The cloud-capp’d towers, the gorgeous palaces,
The solemn temples, the great globe itself,
Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve
And, like this insubstantial pageant faded,
Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff
As dreams are made on, and our little life
Is rounded with a sleep.”
― William Shakespeare, The Tempest

 

“O, wonder!
How many goodly creatures are there here!
How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world,
That has such people in't!”
― William Shakespeare, The Tempest

[MyDamnAlterEgo]

Yes, it is. And - TBH - does not differ from the Normandy that much. 

[Arcian]

They could have named it after another part of France?

Normandy was named after the battle, not the location of the battle.

[capn233]

Naming conventions change over time.  The Alliance was naming frigates for battles when Normandy was commissioned, and then changed with a new class of frigate (assuming Tempest is a frigate).  Who knows?  It isn't really unusual.

 

Sometimes ships in a class don't even share any particular naming convention at all.  Maybe somebody on the Alliance's appropriations committee really liked Tempest.

[Beerfish]

They named it after a shitty sub machine gun in ME3 multiplayer, why bioware why!

[Iakus]

It's just an elongated frigate, but whatever.

[KirkyX]

Good points.

Now I was thinking - "Tempest" doesn't follow the usual naming convention. It's either battles, mountains, famous people and that. Maybe because the ship doesn't fit into the general rating classification (frigate, cruiser, dread0, carrier)?

My suspicion is that, whichever classification of ship the Tempest is - my first thought was destroyer, but configured for deep space exploration and research, rather than pure combat - the tradition is to name ships of the class after famous works of literature. There's a whole bunch of cool names, rich in meaning and thematic significance, to choose between - including Tempest - and you avoid the sort of baggage battles tend to have associated with them.

[Monk]

Maybe it's whatever class is used for stealth/submersives/reconnaissance? Considering the Normandy was the first cloaked, space vessel, a new class might have been created.

[Catastrophy]

My suspicion is that, whichever classification of ship the Tempest is - my first thought was destroyer, but configured for deep space exploration and research, rather than pure combat - the tradition is to name ships of the class after famous works of literature. There's a whole bunch of cool names, rich in meaning and thematic significance, to choose between - including Tempest - and you avoid the sort of baggage battles tend to have associated with them.

That's sideline lore, right? I've never heard a destroyer being mentioned in the games.

[capn233]

That's sideline lore, right? I've never heard a destroyer being mentioned in the games.

 

You are right, there are no destroyers mentioned in ME, save the Reaper version.  It is sort of strange given how important they are, but they aren't there for whatever reason.

[Element Zero]

My suspicion is that, whichever classification of ship the Tempest is - my first thought was destroyer, but configured for deep space exploration and research, rather than pure combat - the tradition is to name ships of the class after famous works of literature. There's a whole bunch of cool names, rich in meaning and thematic significance, to choose between - including Tempest - and you avoid the sort of baggage battles tend to have associated with them.

I'm not sure I understand your post, but I want to understand it. Are you saying research vessels often have names pulled from literature?

Tempest does look small. She's definitely no bigger than Normandy SR1, and possibly smaller. It's hard to tell, even with all of the shots we get of her landed on the various worlds. We never see the full ship in any of those shots. It certainly would make sense, on multiple levels, if she were not a frigate.

[Cheviot]

Tempest does look small. She's definitely no bigger than Normandy SR1, and possibly smaller. It's hard to tell, even with all of the shots we get of her landed on the various worlds. We never see the full ship in any of those shots. It certainly would make sense, on multiple levels, if she were not a frigate.

Well, we do have that shot of the new Mako speeding out from under her, which at least gives us some idea of the scale.

[capn233]

Tempest does look small. She's definitely no bigger than Normandy SR1, and possibly smaller.

 

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[Element Zero]

They never mentioned destroyers? Huh.

I always cringe when Kaidan (cuz Ash is dead) says, "They're going to take out that dreadnaught," in the opening moments of ME3.

I always think, "Dude, that's clearly a destroyer or cruiser. That's no dreadnaught."

Dreadnaughts likely don't descend into suborbital altitudes, and they certainly would have no reason to be hovering listlessly over Vancouver. And they wouldn't be that tiny.

[Cheviot]

I always cringe when Kaidan (cuz Ash is dead) says, "They're going to take out that dreadnaught," in the opening moments of ME3.

I remember hearing somewhere that they realised their mistake very late in the day, so late they didn't have the time or resources to get the actors in to redo the lines.

[Dubozz]

i for one have to say that ship looks pretty damn good.

[capn233]

They never mentioned destroyers? Huh.

I always cringe when Kaidan (cuz Ash is dead) says, "They're going to take out that dreadnaught," in the opening moments of ME3.

I always think, "Dude, that's clearly a destroyer or cruiser. That's no dreadnaught."

Dreadnaughts likely don't descend into suborbital altitudes, and they certainly would have no reason to be hovering listlessly over Vancouver. And they wouldn't be that tiny.

 

Rule of cool, or partial retcon... dunno.

 

The codex says that the ships are generally classed by "weight" into frigates, cruisers, dreadnoughts and carriers.  Although the codex may be extremely human centric here, given that only humans have carriers.

 

It wouldn't be impossible for them to invent a new weight class (or two, or three).

[planehazza]

Haven't read the whole thread, but does anyone else think that Tempest looks a little like Destiny from SG:U?

[Giant ambush beetle]

Well, we do have that shot of the new Mako speeding out from under her, which at least gives us some idea of the scale.

 

 

I wish the Tempest had an armed drop ship for the MAKO, it makes more sense than flying to the surface with the entire big ship. From a military standpoint that would be way too risky and impractical.