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[CHRrOME]

It's not a reboot per se but, it is technically a "soft reboot" for the series and a great opportunity for casuals and newcomers alike to jump into ME universe.

[dreamgazer]

It'll probably be about as much of a "soft reboot" as Deep Space Nine or Voyager were for the Star Trek universe.

[Dubozz]

Of course it's true. There are plenty of reasons to travel to Andromeda.

Hell, "because we want to" is a perfectly good reason. That's basically why we go to space now instead of exploring every inch of the depths of the earth and the oceans.

are you serious? the reasons people are exploring space currently are commercial profit, security concerns of great powers and scientific concerns about survival of manking in case of global cataclysms. "because we want to" doesn't really fit here

 

same with ME, why go somewhere if you have a galaxy where 99.9% is unexplored? setting is popular and established, why go somewhere else unless  you blew it somehow(me3). Because you want to spend more money to develop new universe and then explain to people why this is not their old setting? Please. 

[dreamgazer]

are you serious? the reasons people are exploring space currently are commercial profit, security concerns of great powers and scientific concerns about survival of manking in case of global cataclysms. "because we want to" doesn't really fit here

I'm always serious.

Sure, it does. Space exploration isn't imperative right now, but we do it anyway.

Your explanations apply just as much to the Milky Way folks venturing to Andromeda.

same with ME, why go somewhere if you have a galaxy where 99.9% is unexplored? setting is popular and established, why go somewhere else unless  you blew it somehow(me3). Because you want to spend more money to develop new universe and then explain to people why this is not their old setting? Please.

Because it's different? Because it gives them a lot of narrative freedom? Because it's cool? Because someone suggested it? First post in the "Casey Hudson wants to hear fan's ideas on a new mass effect game" thread:

Go nuts. Mass Effect was about the Milky Way Galaxy. The races in there, the reapers, its conflicts, stories, exploring it. Go to another galaxy. Maybe Andromeda? The presence of eezo there and the mass effect technology would be the tie-in.

Again, they're choosing to go to Andromeda instead of any number of ways they could jump ahead in time or tweak the story to stick around the Milky Way.

[Dubozz]

Not really, they are just afraid to go back to milky way. Baggage is too large for them to bear. It's easier to go somewhere where you can have creative freedom thats true. Some new star cluster in new galaxy. Oh wait you can do the same thing in the milky way(unless ofcourse someone fucked it up irreversibly) because only 2% have been explored.  New galaxy is different from another one? Same rocks and stars, same weather conditions ect. not a big deal. If it wasn't the title people wouldn't even noticed the difference. Because someone suggested it? Oh yeah this thread aka "how can we escape consequences from the ending in the next game" Truly a guide book for bioware.

 

What you are saying about current space industry is pretty naive. 

[dreamgazer]

Not really, they are just afraid to go back to milky way.

Source?

If they wanted to stay, they would stay. All it'd take are couple of chronological and detail modifications.

They want to go to Andromeda. They don't want to explore random cluster X in the Milky Way that would open up its own can of plot-hole worms about advanced civilizations, unless we'd interact with nothing but a bunch of primitives.

What you are saying about current space industry is pretty naive.

It applies just as much to the reasons why the Milky Way would venture to Andromeda. Not imperative, but desirable.

Hence, "because we want to".

[The Dystopian Hound]

Consdering things we have seen, everything very familiar and ME like but changed, the new asari who has eyebrows, the way the "find new home for humanity" has been ephasized.
What if they just went for a reboot? It's still ME universe but nothing on Reapers. Or at least not as we know them.
Which is why there are subtle changes to everything, aliens we know, the technology shown, the way they keep most of the details secret?
I am not terribly opposed to that but it would be a bummer. Or it simply might be set some 100 or so years after Reaper war.
What do you think? And please no need to tell me that I am stupid or delusional that is not the kind of comment that is in anyway helpful.

Maybe it not. After reaper war doesn't make any sense.

[Dubozz]

Source?

If they wanted to stay, they would stay. All it'd take are couple of chronological and detail modifications.

They want to go to Andromeda. They don't want to explore random cluster X in the Milky Way that would open up its own can of plot-hole worms about advanced civilizations, unless we'd interact with nothing but a bunch of primitives.


It applies just as much to the reasons why the Milky Way would venture to Andromeda. Not imperative, but desirable.

Hence, "because we want to".

Source of why they don't want to deal with the ending? Please. "We want to go to andromeda totally not because of the endings but because we want to open a new glorious chapter in ME universe, That is what they said? Sounds legit. Desirable as you have said. Again you are pretty naive.

[dreamgazer]

Source of why they don't want to deal with the ending? Please.

Nope, cite a source saying that they're afraid.

"We want to go to andromeda totally not because of the endings but because we want to open a new glorious chapter in ME universe, That is what they said? Sounds legit.

Yep, recapturing the wonder of discovery. Easy to believe, too. They have complete freedom.

Can you address the plot hole I mentioned?

Desirable as you have said.[/background][/size]

Yes, there are many desirable reasons to travel to another galaxy.

[Dubozz]

Nope, cite a source saying that they're afraid.

You probably are not serious if you think that an employee of a company would talk about old problems that define the future on the upcoming project. (that is the case here) You probably would be blind if you can't define restrains that endings put on the developers of the next game. And not olny there are restrains but frustration of the fan base. Everything that somehow touches the endings smells bad.

Yep, recapturing the wonder of discovery.

Wonder of discovery could be captured everywhere. Milky way included.

Can you address the plot hole I mentioned?

What plot hole? there are so many of them in ME.

Yes, there are many desirable reasons to travel to another galaxy.

Nah it's mostly just fear of old me3 woulds. Andromeda is decendant of ME3, or more precisely me3 shitty endings. It's probably the main reason to go there. There are many desirable resons to satay in milky way if not the endings.

[The One True Nobody]

Andromeda IS a reboot, but not in the sense you seem to think, OP.

 

Occasionally a franchise will have what is called a "soft reboot." This is not the same kind of story overhaul that games like Tomb Raider 2013 or DmC: Devil May Cry attempt. No, a soft reboot places itself in the same universe and attempts to move away from the previous cast and plot threads. Games like Resident Evil 4 and Tomb Raider Legend, and movies like Star Wars: The Force Awakens and Jurassic World, are examples of "soft" reboots. They connect to past titles just enough to carry the brand name but for the most part attempt to reinvigorate the franchise purely on their own merits, acting as new entry points while trying to maintain enough lure for longtime fans to also want to experience them.

[10K]

If the reboot includes Shepard, sure. Otherwise I wouldn't mind a remastered ME1 and 2.

[dreamgazer]

You probably are not serious if you think that an employee of a company would talk about old problems that define the future on the upcoming project. (that is the case here) You probably would be blind if you can't define restrains that endings put on the developers of the next game. And not olny there are restrains but frustration of the fan base. Everything that somehow touches the endings smells bad.

So, can't confirm it, so it's somehow true and confirms your cynical point-of-view?

Wonder of discovery could be captured everywhere. Milky way included.

Not as much, no.

What plot hole? there are so many of them in ME.

Why any advanced civilizations haven't made it out of the clusters.

Nah it's mostly just fear of old me3 woulds.

Nah, it's because of the potential a brand new galaxy affords them.

Andromeda is decendant of ME3, or more precisely me3 shitty endings.

Or, they just want to go to Andromeda. If they wanted to deal with the Milky Way, they would.

It's probably the main reason to go there.

Or, the stakes are completely tapped out in the Milky Way. Nothing can be bigger than the Reapers. We've bounced all over the Milky Way. In Andromeda, however, the possibilities are endless. We are the aliens, not the super-special hoomans of this galaxy.

There are many desirable resons to satay in milky way if not the endings.

There are many desirable reasons to go to Andromeda that have nothing to do with the endings.

[Dubozz]

So, can't confirm it, so it's somehow true and confirms your cynical point-of-view?

As i said someone who denies it is probably blind.

Not as much, no.

No discovery in Milky way? Thats no true at all.

Why any advanced civilizations haven't made it out of the clusters.

What do you mean, we have colonies all around in ME, in diffirent parts of the galaxy You are probably not familiar with the Lore. Thats understandable

Nah, it's because of the potential a brand new galaxy affords them.

Nah, they are too afraid of the old struggle and prefer to avoid it. As I've already said galxyies are quite similar in their content. So you are wrong again.

Or, they just want to go to Andromeda. If they wanted to deal with the Milky Way, they would.

Sure you want to go somewhere where people won't spit at you because previous dev failed to deliver and everything around you feminds you about it. They have no guts to deal with Milky way.

Or, the stakes are completely tapped out in the Milky Way. Nothing can be bigger than the Reapers. We've bounced all over the Milky Way. In Andromeda, however, the possibilities are endless. We are the aliens, not the super-special hoomans of this galaxy.

We could be aliens in every part of Milky way as well, only 2% of the Milky way have been explored. There could be things bigger or samller than reapers it doesn't really matter.

There are many desirable reasons to go to Andromeda that have nothing to do with the endings.

Nah, andromeda = milky way. Ending is the main reason to go there. If not the ending we would be in the milky way all the time.

[Sigzy05]

Naw, man, they could've just ignored the endings and gone with "Shepard defeated the Reapers" and leave it at that.

 

But then how would you explain what happened to people that picked synthesis? They would have to either make the reapers controlled and perhaps that way no more harvesting or destroy them, either way there would have to be a canon ending. 

[mat_mark]

By that I meant they went and pretended that ME3 at least didn't happen or it happened in a totally different way or even ME1-3 happened in a totally different way, this all might come down in a variety of scenarios. 

 

 

What happens in ME: Andromeda is a consequence of Mass Effect 3: Reapers attacked the galaxy and some people decided to flee to another one.

[Gonder]

Man, if they dared make my countless playthroughs of the trilogy irrelevant, I would be fuming. I would much rather be living in a universe where I can acknowledge the fact that Shepard existed, and what I did on him actually occurred. If they make this change, they'll have an angry army with torches and pitchforks at their front door; they better stay true to Mass Effect as we know it, or there'll be hell to pay.

[Sigzy05]

Man, if they dared make my countless playthroughs of the trilogy irrelevant, I would be fuming. I would much rather be living in a universe where I can acknowledge the fact that Shepard existed, and what I did on him actually occurred. If they make this change, they'll have an angry army with torches and pitchforks at their front door; they better stay true to Mass Effect as we know it, or there'll be hell to pay.

 

I sort of agree. Man I love the trilogy so much, regardless of ME3's ending...I don't want them to throw it all away as if it was nothing.

[Sartoz]

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Just to clarify

@1:55 of the trailer you can read the following "not all images representative of actual gameplay".

 

The one scene that may be true is the Asari showing the facial expressions. This alone, if you think about it, can be a game changer in terms of team interactions, romance, going to the "Pearl" or speaking with aliens.

 

As someone up thread mentioned,... about the art changes. I expected this but not the human like Asari face. It's probably concept animation to show off the facial expression that we all wanted and that Bio delivered. I suspect the actual game will show us something quite different.

 

About the Reboot thing.

Andromeda is new, located in another galaxy, with new threats (not old ones) and new enemies and new allies and new aliens. That is as far away from a reboot as I have ever seen.

 

My take is that the Andromeda plot is to setup humanity to meet a more powerful threat in the next game. This one is human centric while "Andromeda 2" will have other alien races fighting with us.

[dreamgazer]

As i said someone who denies it is probably blind.

So, can't confirm it, so it obviously fits your argument and others are "blind". Nice try.

No discovery in Milky way? Thats no true at all.

Quite true, actually, unless you're interested in locating solely primitives.

What do you mean, we have colonies all around in ME, in diffirent parts of the galaxy You are probably not familiar with the Lore. Thats understandable

We do, and they've interacted with the galaxy's population. Why haven't the populations worth discovering made it out to say "hello" as of yet, unless they're primitives? A "Speaker for the Dead story might suffice for one side-quest, but not for an entire game.

Gauging by your prior posts and narrow viewpoint, the dig at my knowledge of the lore is quite, how do you say, laughable.

Nah, they are too afraid of the old struggle and prefer to avoid it. As I've already said galxyies are quite similar in their content. So you are wrong again.

Uh, no, a completely different Galaxy could have vastly different content if they do it right. New advanced aliens being the key one there, new methods of navigation, as well as a different galactic infrastructure. One where humans are aliens again, instead of the genetically speshul Mary Sues they were made to be in ME2.

Sure you want to go somewhere where people won't spit at you because previous dev failed to deliver and everything around you feminds you about it. They have no guts to deal with Milky way.

Or, as I mentioned, they have a blank slate in terms of the stakes. Nothing's bigger than the Reapers in the MW. We defeated the Reapers. What next?

In Andromeda, the sky's the limit. The stakes are reset. There are zero restrictions, of which there were tons long before the ending.

And I'm sure glad the devs delivered a much better narrative with ME3 than the pointless side-mission dreck of ME2.

We could be aliens in every part of Milky way as well, only 2% of the Milky way have been explored. There could be things bigger or samller than reapers it doesn't really matter.

Except, of course, for the fact that they're not part of the galactic community and are just as subject to the Reapers' reaping.

Nah, andromeda = milky way. Ending is the main reason to go there. If not the ending we would be in the milky way all the time.

Wrong again, dear boy, since Andromeda opens up a ton of possibility for narrative freedom regardless of the ending, and also because going to a new galaxy will be, well, fun.

[Dubozz]

So, can't confirm it, so it obviously fits your argument and others are "blind". Nice try.p

Nice try to deny the obvious.

Quite true, actually, unless you're interested in locating solely primitives.

Not true at all. Once again you demonstrating your lack of knowledge about the uviverse. It's not surprising at all though. There are other dormant relays and we don't know whats behind them. Also transportation in ME is limited to mass relays and systems around them, what beyond them is still a mystery.

We do, and they've interacted with the galaxy's population. Why haven't the populations worth discovering made it out to say "hello" as of yet, unless they're primitives? A "Speaker for the Dead story might suffice for one side-quest, but not for an entire game.

Gauging by your prior posts and narrow viewpoint, the dig at my knowledge of the lore is quite, how do you say, laughable.

As i've said before a lot of your misconception comes from you lack of knowledge about the game. It's probably you are the one should be laugh at your own narrow viewpoint.

Uh, no, a completely different Galaxy could have vastly different content if they do it right. New advanced aliens being the key one there, new methods of navigation, as well as a different galactic infrastructure. One where humans are aliens again, instead of the genetically speshul Mary Sues they were made to be in ME2.

Nah it's the same thing. New aliens could pop up out of nowhere anytime in MW as well. Lost planets and realys, unknown territories, it could be anything. Methods of navigation(and other technical stuff) is even easier. We invented A because Reapers, or we invented B because C and so on. Human aren't Mary Sues really? It's will be the same thing as in other ME games. Humanity first, everyone else later, like in every other piece of sy fi fiction everywhere. (you probably haven seen new interview yet so:

Spoiler

Q: We seen in the trailer a human female, so, can you choose the species or the sex of your protagonist?
A: ME was always about the place of humanity in the galaxy. It's still in the center of MEA. Yes, having characters a little more defined allows us to have a more refined story on this side, but as I said we still have the spirit of freedom. Can't go into details but we will try to give you some more.

"Humans are aliens" aren't special at all because Humans have been aliens to galactic community in ME1-3 as well. Nothing new here.

Or, as I mentioned, they have a blank slate in terms of the stakes. Nothing's bigger than the Reapers in the MW. We defeated the Reapers. What next?

In Andromeda, the sky's the limit. The stakes are reset. There are zero restrictions, of which there were tons long before the ending.

And I'm sure glad the devs delivered a much better narrative with ME3 than the pointless side-mission dreck of ME2.

MW like any other sy fi could get you a threat of any scale, anytime, especially in ME. We already have leviathans and could also have anything we want. It's not like it's a big problem at all since the horizon is clear. Oh wait it's not clear because ending fucked up everything. There were restrictions before the ending but it's not like you couldn't solve them easily. Mostly problematic things in ME are resoved by retconning them.
ME3 has better narrative than ME2? Please. Thats not true at all. Structure was different though.

Except, of course, for the fact that they're not part of the galactic community and are just as subject to the Reapers' reaping.

You can be a part of galactic community and could not a subject to the reaper's reapeing. like leviathans or other "unknown" species. That you favourite "because we want to do it" argument right here.

Wrong again, dear boy,

Is this the best you can do?

since Andromeda opens up a ton of possibility for narrative freedom regardless of the ending, and also because going to a new galaxy will be, well, fun.

Nobody denies creative freedom in the new galaxy, i dunno why are you keep coming up with this so often but to think that this is the main reason to abandon established setting is pretty narrow minded as you said. So it's new galaxy and it's going to be 'fun' but old old galaxy is not fun enough for some reason. Devs are saying that it will still be good old mass effect. Well that explains everything!

[Fogg]

Maybe it isn't a Asari

[In Exile]

are you serious? the reasons people are exploring space currently are commercial profit, security concerns of great powers and scientific concerns about survival of manking in case of global cataclysms. "because we want to" doesn't really fit here

same with ME, why go somewhere if you have a galaxy where 99.9% is unexplored? setting is popular and established, why go somewhere else unless you blew it somehow(me3). Because you want to spend more money to develop new universe and then explain to people why this is not their old setting? Please.

They're obviously not dealing with the ME3 ending. I don't know why this is controversial or somehow a sign that they're unprincipled. They don't want to have a canon ending for ME3 which means the entire MW is a dead end setting.

That doesn't really say anything about their choices though since "not wanting to picks a canon ending" and "it's impossible to make a single game respecting all endings" could be true even if the ME3 ending was the superlative masterpiece of all gaming endings ever.

[AlanC9]

There are other dormant relays and we don't know whats behind them.

Well, we know something about those areas, since the Crucible wave got there.

[Iakus]

Of course they did.

 

The had hope.  More than they realized.

 

Destroy the Endings.  But be warned, in time new endings will arise, and the conflict will return

Control the Endings. Our connection to the trilogy will be lost, but we will be aware if its existence

Synthesis with the Endings  It will create a new...something...for the story.  Umm.  Peace, harmony.   Stuff.  It's just the best option, okay?

 

Or Refuse and let someone else have the IP but we know that's not a real ending