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[DextroDNA]

At the end of the EA Play trailer we're seen Alliance fleets amassing around what we're assuming to be the Ark. What's interesting is... this is all above EARTH.

 

The Ark obviously wasn't preparing to leave during the events of ME1-2, someone would have noticed that huge fleet hanging about Earth. It definitely can't have been during ME3 because obviously Earth was under siege.

 

The ships are obviously Alliance design, but they look slightly more advanced than the ones in the original trilogy. The Kodiak for example looks considerably different and updated, but is obviously still the Kodiak. This advancement in technology would suggest that this is POST-ME3. That, or they have completely retconned the designs for the ships in the OT.

 

So if ME:A begins with the Ark leaving for Andromeda, does that mean we're going to see Earth/the Milky Way post-ME3 for a short while before we leave? If everyone onboard the Ark is leaving post-ME3, that means that the chosen ending will have directly affected them.

 

So this brings forth the question... have Bioware made one of the endings canon? If this is the case; nobody in the trailer looked "synthesised" (green eyes, circuits all over the body) which means either Control or Destroy was canonised.

 

The other possibility is that they retconned the ending entirely. Either that or the final scenes in the trailer aren't of Earth or a planet in the Milky Way and we have already colonised an entire planet in Andromeda and built cities all over it (which is incredibly unlikely). Looking at the planet more closely, you can clearly make out features of Earth such as the NA coastline.

 

If this is true, then that scene HAS to be post-ME3. Which means Bioware have either made an ending canon or retconned the ending altogether. Or more unlikely, we can import our ME3 save and the ending we chose will actually have an impact, but we all know that isn't going to be the case.

 

Thoughts?

 

EDIT: If the Ark does leave post-ME3, this opens the door to certain characters from the OT coming along with us... even if the Ark leaves centuries after the end of ME3 instead of just a few years after, Liara and Grunt would still be alive to hop onboard the Ark. I seriously doubt Bioware would do this as they want new characters to focus on but... everyone loves Liara, right? 

[OdanUrr]

They are most definitely not getting anywhere near that can of worms what means no canon for the endings.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I doubt its a canon ending. A retcon would be more likely.

[CHRrOME]

They've stated time and again that no ending is canon, and they wont make any ending canon. Because they wanted to "respect" player choice (ha-ha-ha, I say). Anyways, I don't think they changed their minds on this matter.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If it is after the Reaper War, going to Andromeda makes most choices moot since we won't see the effects. For those that would affect us, they would be mitigated enough to work with. That's assuming we import what we did in the Shepard Trilogy. If we don't import, then chances are they will leave the affect of the endings ambiguous enough so that any could work, like what Square Enix and Edios Montreal are doing with Deus Ex: Mankind Divided. For example, say the Synthesis skin faded away after a while and have the Reapers not join us on the mission. That makes all three endings applicable. 

[DextroDNA]

I also highly doubt they'll make an ending canon, but that can only mean that they've retconned the ending? Or are they going to completely ignore it and pretend it didn't happen (which is basically a retcon)?

[The Elder King]

Regardless of what they chose to do, I'd like if they state as soon as possible. Waiting to clear this isn't goign to help. It's like they're afraid of the reactions to the choice they made (it's probably not this, but it's strange they're still not said that. Unless they really want to wait about that hypothetical ME book to come).

[OdanUrr]

I also highly doubt they'll make an ending canon, but that can only mean that they've retconned the ending? Or are they going to completely ignore it and pretend it didn't happen (which is basically a retcon)?

 

Most likely, this expedition departed some time before the events of ME3 so they've no idea how the Reaper War ended. Consider it thus ignored.

[DextroDNA]

Most likely, this expedition departed some time before the events of ME3 so they've no idea how the Reaper War ended. Consider it thus ignored.

It can't have done. That fleet is HUGELY obvious above Earth, meaning we would definitely have heard of the project happening sometime during ME1-2. Like I said, it can't have happened DURING ME3 because the Reapers were attacking.

[Sarayne]

I also highly doubt they'll make an ending canon, but that can only mean that they've retconned the ending? Or are they going to completely ignore it and pretend it didn't happen (which is basically a retcon)?

They really should just move over to Andromeda and completely forget about that other galaxy. And me3 is my favorite game of the series but that ending is just can of worms.

[Jedi Comedian]

Maybe they'll pull a Daggerfall and establish that every ending happened at the same time LOL.

[DextroDNA]

They really should just move over to Andromeda and completely forget about that other galaxy. And me3 is my favorite game of the series but that ending is just can of worms.

From what we can gather from that last scene of the trailer... it seems they're already close to opening that can of worms.

[DextroDNA]

Maybe they'll pull a Daggerfall and establish that every ending happened at the same time LOL.

They did this with the first Deus Ex, too. It didn't work too well in the sequel. It would be fitting, though, considering ME3's ending was basically the ending of Deus Ex.

[Vortex13]

I will say that if the ARK is actually confirmed to be built by humans over Earth, then this setting has officially taken humanity beyond Matt Ward Ultramarine (of WH40K fame) levels of pretentious.

 

 

Also if the ARK is launched post-ME 3, then why go all the way to Andromeda? What, is the other 99.99% unexplored percent of the Milky Way not good enough?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They did this with the first Deus Ex, too. It didn't work too well in the sequel. It would be fitting, though, considering ME3's ending was basically the ending of Deus Ex.

They're doing something similar with the newest Deus Ex game. They are making the endings of Deus Ex: Human Revolution ambiguous for Deus Ex: Mankind Divided so that any of the endings could be seen as having happened. 

[Armass81]

It can't have done. That fleet is HUGELY obvious above Earth, meaning we would definitely have heard of the project happening sometime during ME1-2. Like I said, it can't have happened DURING ME3 because the Reapers were attacking.

 

One word: Retcon.

 

It happened, you just werent there to see it or hear about it, of course.

[OdanUrr]

It can't have done. That fleet is HUGELY obvious above Earth, meaning we would definitely have heard of the project happening sometime during ME1-2. Like I said, it can't have happened DURING ME3 because the Reapers were attacking.

 

1) Maybe that's Earth, maybe it isn't. I for one can't tell it's Earth. *shrugs*

2) I said they left before the events of ME3, certainly before the end of the war. Well, that's what I think anyway.

[DextroDNA]

One word: Retcon.

 

It happened, you just werent there to see it or hear about it, of course.

I really hope not. Such incredibly lazy writing to just retcon something.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

1) Maybe that's Earth, maybe it isn't. I for one can't tell it's Earth. *shrugs*

It is Earth. You can clearly see the Great Lakes, the eastern seaboard of North America, and the major cities are right where they should be. 

[DextroDNA]

1) Maybe that's Earth, maybe it isn't. I for one can't tell it's Earth. *shrugs*

2) I said they left before the events of ME3, certainly before the end of the war. Well, that's what I think anyway.

1) There a clear defining features of Earth, other people have pointed them out here on the forums. The North American coastline is one of them.

2) And like I said, if they had left before the events of ME3 - someone would have noticed it and it would have been mentioned in the original games. Unless it's a retcon, in which case I'll be extremely disappointed with Bioware

[LinksOcarina]

If it is after the Reaper War, going to Andromeda makes most choices moot since we won't see the effects. For those that would affect us, they would be mitigated enough to work with. That's assuming we import what we did in the Shepard Trilogy. If we don't import, then chances are they will leave the affect of the endings ambiguous enough so that any could work, like what Square Enix and Edios Montreal are doing with Deus Ex: Mankind Divided. For example, say the Synthesis skin faded away after a while and have the Reapers not join us on the mission. That makes all three endings applicable. 

 

Or The Witcher 3, where all choices from game to game become more or less side-show relevance in the end anyway.

 

I doubt it will have a canon ending, what I expect is a minor acknowledgement of some past historical event 500+ years ago of The Shepard and the Reaper War.

 

You know it's going to happen.

[Armass81]

I really hope not. Such incredibly lazy writing to just retcon something.

Wouldnt be the first time.

 

Im more worried where they got the tech and money and time to build something like this endeavor, especially if it is before the reaper wars. That opens some huge narrative and tech problems, knowing the lore.

 

Also knowing Bioware they most likely just ignore it or explain it via some tehcnobabble.

[DextroDNA]

 

I doubt it will have a canon ending, what I expect is a minor acknowledgement of some past historical event 500+ years ago of The Shepard and the Reaper War.

 

I actually doubt this is how it will play out. The woman at the end of the trailer looks to be waking up from cryo-stasis and says "We made it", suggesting they've been asleep ever since they left the Milky Way. If that's true, then the events of ME3 would probably be fresh in their mind and it wouldn't be a "past historical event" to them. That is unless the scene of Earth in the trailer is actually centuries after ME3 already, though I doubt that.

[Steelcan]

how can people not tell that the planet was Earth?

[OdanUrr]

It is Earth. You can clearly see the Great Lakes, the eastern seaboard of North America, and the major cities are right where they should be. 

 

Okay, say it's Earth. Earth, in a joint effort with other civilizations, launched an intergalactic colonization project after the events of ME1 (while Shepard was dead, maybe) arguing vague reasons (basically, an Ark just in case Shepard was telling the truth). They lost contact with it soon after and nobody else thought about bringing it up because they had more pressing concerns. I've heard worst reasons.