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[Urizen]

I doubt Synthesis effect would just vanish and would allow humanity to revert entire effect.

 

The reason i'm against Dark Energy is because entire concept behind it was terrible and it was connected with Reapers. I don't want to see Reapers again. There is plenty of room for new antagonists and to tell new plot elements, BW shouldn't be taking elements from trilogy, they should stay far away from it especially stuff like Reapers, Cerberus and anything connected with awful endings.

The vast majority won´t know about the connection between the reapers and dark energy. After all, dark energy and it´s dangers are only briefly mentioned in ME2. Not to mention, that the dark energy plot was only a theory, when DK left BW. And it would only matter, if the Arks do indeed leave after the events of ME3.

[Drone223]

Isn´t that the truth! Engines aside, the construction of the ark is indeed possible with the tech available. The only reason Ilos failed, was that the protheans underestimated the time it took the reapers to eradicate their species, hence why the energy supply was insufficient. If you account for that, cryostasis is possible. That still leaves the discharge problem of the drive core though. Unless it is possible to repurpose the discharge to energize the stasispods. Hmmm....

Except it clearly isn't, at no point in the time frame of the trilogy did the galaxy show any indication of developing the means to travel to other galaxies. Developing such technology would take decades at best.

[Drone223]

This pretty much. The only reason for us to go to Andromeda is to avoid the endings of ME3 altogether and that is simply not possible if we leave after the events of ME3. But building the arks in secrecy is indeed possible and wouldn´t require that much of a retcon. During ME3 pretty much everyone knew about the project the alliance had going on, namely the crucible. Who is to say that this information wasn´t leaked by the alliance themselves to hide the construction of the arks?

 

Now you gonna ask, but how did they get the materials for the arks? Simple, materials were delivered to the crucible, we know that much. But do we know exactly how many were delivered? We don´t! That´s where one more retcon comes in. Materials intended for the crucible were rerouted to the arks, using alliance ships and personnel only. It´s quite easy to do so aswell. You simply calculate how much is needed for the crucible and the arks, and book them under crucible only. And with alliance ships fighting reapers everywhere, ships are constantly stocking up on supplies. So ships coming and going would be a common sight near the crucible.

 

Personnel? Same thing applies to personnel as with materials.

I'm sick of Bioware restoring to retcon's in order for the story to work, its a sign of bad writing. Also its made apparent that there is no plan B if the crucible failed since the galaxy is pretty much pouring all of its resources into its construction not to mention they can't afford the resources  two extremely large scale project existing at the same time.

 

 

 

So why does Liara not know about it? She only shows us information that is imperative to our mission, namely defeating the reapers. But we also know that she has access to far more information than she let´s us see. Her hiding the information from us may just be a case of her not believing in the project in the first place.

That's just completely out of character for Liara not to mention yet another example of bad writing, she's not one to keep secretes from Shepard especially if its a matter of survival.
 

 

 

But that leaves one problem unadressed. The drives needed to get to andromeda, for which I have to admit, I have no explanation. Granted, you could use the schematics of the crucible and incorporate them into the engine design, but that still leaves the issue of having to discharge them.

 

FTL without the relay's is limited to short range at best, its why the whole idea of the galaxy suddenly developing FTL capable of traveling to other galaxies in the time frame of the trilogy is contrived.

[AlanC9]

Except it clearly isn't, at no point in the time frame of the trilogy did the galaxy show any indication of developing the means to travel to other galaxies. Developing such technology would take decades at best.

Of course, the great thing about the MEU is that you don't have to invent techs. You can also just find them.

[Drone223]

Of course, the great thing about the MEU is that you don't have to invent techs. You can also just find them.

But that plot device of finding hidden tech is starting to get really old very quickly.

[AlanC9]

I'm sick of Bioware restoring to retcon's in order for the story to work, its a sign of bad writing. Also its made apparent that there is no plan B if the crucible failed since the galaxy is pretty much pouring all of its resources into its construction not to mention they can't afford the resources  two extremely large scale project existing at the same time.

This is only true if the cost of the Ark project is very large relative to the cost of the Crucible project. Otherwise, probabilities say that you cut a little from the Crucible project and do both. And since Bio gets to make up the project budgets....

[AlanC9]

But that plot device of finding hidden tech is starting to get really old very quickly.

Well, maybe you shouldn't buy the game if that really bugs you. Found tech, according to the leaks, is going to be a thing in the ME:A plot too.

[Drone223]

This is only true if the cost of the Ark project is very large relative to the cost of the Crucible project. Otherwise, probabilities say that you cut a little from the Crucible project and do both. And since Bio gets to make up the project budgets....

Aside form the fact that ME3 clearly showed that the galaxy was willing to risk anything i.e economic collapse in order to finish the crucible. Having ark project that has a lot riding on it and can have no room for error being built along side the crucible would only make things worse.

[capn233]

That's just completely out of character for Liara not to mention yet another example of bad writing, she's not one to keep secretes from Shepard especially if its a matter of survival.

 

Plus Liara is a terrible Shadow Broker, so it makes sense she wouldn't know about it.

[Drone223]

Well, maybe you shouldn't buy the game if that really bugs you. Found tech, according to the leaks, is going to be a thing in the ME:A plot too.

So basically people aren't allowed to express criticism on lazy writing and they have to just blindly accept the writing Bioware has given them?

[rossler]

All of which would have ramifications on MEA if we start out in the MW, which the trailer suggests. I know what you are trying to say, but this isn´t The Elder Scrolls, where you simply can break the dragon and make all choices valid. Ideally we would get something similar to the Keep, but there are no indications so far that this is the case.

 

What happens if your choices don't come into account? That the Extended Cut (or original ending without EC) was it, regarding everything you've done.

 

What are you going to do then?

[Drone223]

Plus Liara is a terrible Shadow Broker, so it makes sense she wouldn't know about it.

She managed to track the plans for the crucible to mars so she does have some skill to it, she's not the best but certainly not the worst.

[AresKeith]

She managed to track the plans for the crucible to mars so she does have some skill to it, she's not the best but certainly not the worst.

 

Well compared to the last one, she's the worst

[UpUpAway]

1) There is nothing that says Shepard has to be aware of every project going on in the entire galaxy.

 

2) There is nothing that says the Alliance wasn't lying to Shepard about the VI on Ilos just shutting now and not providing any useful information to the Alliance... including suggesting a Plan B to them just in case their efforts to prevent/stop the Reapers failed.  We know the Prothean scientists on Ilos were able to crack Mass Effect technology at least enough to build their own mini-relay on the Citadel, so who knows what other knowledge they may have left locked away in Vigil's programming that Shepard didn't have time to probe him for.

[DextroDNA]

1) There is nothing that says Shepard has to be aware of every project going on in the entire galaxy.

 

2) There is nothing that says the Alliance wasn't lying to Shepard about the VI on Ilos just shutting now and not providing any useful information to the Alliance... including suggesting a Plan B to them just in case their efforts to prevent/stop the Reapers failed.  We know the Prothean scientists on Ilos were able to crack Mass Effect technology at least enough to build their own mini-relay on the Citadel, so who knows what other knowledge they may have left locked away in Vigil's programming that Shepard didn't have time to probe him for.

So you're suggesting that Bioware is going to go with; Vigil was never shut down and the Alliance used him to get new technology and ignored all his warnings about the Reapers, and then only used these new technologies to build the Ark and not to help defeat the Reapers?

 

Also, Shepard was one of the heads of the Alliance war effort against the Reapers. He would have been made aware of something like this. And if he wasn't, the Shadow Broker would definitely have known and we'd know about it through Liara.

[UpUpAway]

So you're suggesting that Bioware is going to go with; Vigil was never shut down and the Alliance used him to get new technology and ignored all his warnings about the Reapers, and then only used these new technologies to build the Ark and not to help defeat the Reapers?

 

Also, Shepard was one of the heads of the Alliance war effort against the Reapers. He would have been made aware of something like this. And if he wasn't, the Shadow Broker would definitely have known and we'd know about it through Liara.

 

I'm saying that "saying Shepard was one of the heads and would have been told" is supposition.  Shepard was also 1) with Cerberus in ME2 and 2) started ME3 in jail, so there is lots of reasons why the Alliance may have decided to withhold information from him.  Lots of movies have also used the premise of keeping certain leaders in the dark about certain projects to facilitate "plausible deniability." (Independence Day is one example I can think of off the top of my head).  I know people here just revel in the idea that Bioware won't be able to go forward with ME:A in a way that satisfies them.  That's true... only because they are determined that nothing will satisfy them... and regardless, Bioware is going forward with ME:A (like it or lump it).  I, for one, intend to enjoy the game regardless.

[DextroDNA]

I'm saying that "saying Shepard was one of the heads and would have been told" is supposition.  Shepard was also 1) with Cerberus in ME2 and 2) started ME3 in jail, so there is lots of reasons why the Alliance may have decided to withhold information from him.  Lots of movies have also used the premise of keeping certain leaders in the dark about certain projects to facilitate "plausible deniability." (Independence Day is one example I can think of off the top of my head).  I know people here just revel in the idea that Bioware won't be able to go forward with ME:A in a way that satisfies them.  That's true... only because they are determined that nothing will satisfy them... and regardless, Bioware is going forward with ME:A (like it or lump it).  I, for one, intend to enjoy the game regardless.

Still doesn't change the fact that the Shadow Broker would know about it and we would have found out about it from Liara at some point

[AresKeith]

Still doesn't change the fact that the Shadow Broker would know about it and we would have found out about it from Liara at some point

 

The same Liara that had no clue her homeworld was still holding a Prothean beacon?

[Livi14]

Well compared to the last one, she's the worst

The yahg knew the Collectors work for the reapers and yet makes deals with them, that alone makes him the worst.

[DextroDNA]

The same Liara that had no clue her homeworld was still holding a Prothean beacon?

That's a lot easier to conceal than a huge fleet protecting several enormous Ark ships above Earth where everyone can see them.

[UpUpAway]

That's a lot easier to conceal than a huge fleet protecting several enormous Ark ships above Earth where everyone can see them.

 

... and you're assuming that huge fleet was there during Shepard's time... Again, nothing says that the ARK doesn't depart first from Ilos and (because the Mass Relays are destroyed) it takes several years before it flies over Earth.  We don't see the "people" protecting the ARK, so whose to say what they look like then - Synthesized or Unsynthesized.  To bypass that part of the decision, only the people actually on board the ARK in stasis need to be unaffected by the ME3 decision.  Even if Refuse is selected, we know from Javik that it actually took centuries for the Reapers to completely harvest the Protheans, so there still could be a "remnant" fleet remaining to protect the ARK as it passes through the Sol System on the way to Andromeda.

 

Really, it's best left to the writers at Bioware to decide what they're doing to get around ME3.  Anything anyone (including me) comes up with here, either positive or negative, is pure speculation.  When the info is released, you will have one more CHOICE - like what they've or don't.  People cannot fairly criticize Bioware based on what they are speculating in their own minds.  The time to critique the ideas in the game is after that info is released... and ME:A is happening regardless.

[DextroDNA]

... and you're assuming that huge fleet was there during Shepard's time... Again, nothing says that the ARK doesn't depart first from Ilos and (because the Mass Relays are destroyed) it takes several years before it flies over Earth.  We don't see the "people" protecting the ARK, so whose to say what they look like then - Synthesized or Unsynthesized.  To bypass that part of the decision, only the people actually on board the ARK in stasis need to be unaffected by the ME3 decision.  Even if Refuse is selected, we know from Javik that it actually took centuries for the Reapers to completely harvest the Protheans, so there still could be a "remnant" fleet remaining to protect the ARK as it passes through the Sol System on the way to Andromeda.

 

Really, it's best left to the writers at Bioware to decide what they're doing to get around ME3.  Anything anyone comes up with here, either positive or negative, is pure speculation.  When the info is released, you will have one more CHOICE - like what they've or don't.  ME:A is happening regardless.

I don't know what you're getting at here.

 

My original point in the OP was that this isn't during Shepard's time, this is after ME3. And that means that Bioware have to address the endings.

[fizzypop]

Still doesn't change the fact that the Shadow Broker would know about it and we would have found out about it from Liara at some point

She didn't know about it because bioware hadn't gotten into MEA development (or at least not that far into it). Seriously stop being obtuse we all know the answer isn't a story one, but real life limitations. You need to face facts this is happening and the ark likely left before the reapers show up in MEA. Probably when shep is dry docked (at least that's my theory). Just need to get over it and move on.

[DextroDNA]

She didn't know about it because bioware hadn't gotten into MEA development (or at least not that far into it). Seriously stop being obtuse we all know the answer isn't a story one, but real life limitations. You need to face facts this is happening and the ark likely left before the reapers show up in MEA. Probably when shep is dry docked (at least that's my theory). Just need to get over it and move on.

Why is the tech seen on the ships and the Arks much more advanced that what was in ME3, then?

 

I hate you people who say "get over it and move on". It's not something I'm massively hung up on and need to get over, it's something to discuss while we wait for new information on the game. Take that stick out of your ass and contribute something or leave

[UpUpAway]

I don't know what you're getting at here.

 

My original point in the OP was that this isn't during Shepard's time, this is after ME3. And that means that Bioware have to address the endings.

 

... and I'm saying that "only the people actually aboard the ARK(s), who are the ones we will see in Andromeda, have to somehow be "protected" from Synthesis (if that's the ending the player chose).  All of the possible endings can be covered off in the scenario I've given without deciding on a single canon ending (which Bioware has repeatedly said they are not going to do).  There are, I'm sure, other scenarios that people can think of and I'm am NOT saying that my scenario is the one that Bioware is going with. 

 

Regardless, Bioware has already written their intro to ME:A... they have already dealt with the endings, and they have not revealed to us at all how they have dealt with the endings.  Whatever Bioware has done (and they HAVE already done it), some people will, without doubt, be unhappy with it (claiming it breaks with lore or contains plot holes or whatever).  Still, whatever anyone suggests here is speculation, supposition, and (in the end) largely irrelevant.  Players will have only one choice in this regard - like how Bioware melds the two series together or don't.