For one we have no idea what kind of drive the ship is using. Reaper technology we already know comes with strings so unlikely to use it.
Well, they HAVE to be using Reaper technology to get there. It's confirmed to take "a few hundred years" after, and completing the journey in that short length of time would require Reaper tech.
It's not more complicated than that. That's the maths; that's how fast the Reapers could travel to Andromeda.
The discussion isn't even about science or reality. It's about how Bioware are going to bullshit the Ark into the game's lore and butcher their continuity even more.
No actually it is. You say this doesn't make sense. Well ME doesn't make sense at all as a series. So that's my point. Hyperbolic to prove a point. This has nothing to do with they story or game. I mean you are bitching that Liara didn't know about this project as if bioware ****** knew. Liara didn't know the same way none of us knew. So it really isn't going to make sense no matter what. It is just something we have to accept as a limitation on their part. At this point it is pretty much confirmed.
For one we have no idea what kind of drive the ship is using. Reaper technology we already know comes with strings so unlikely to use it.
The only strings involved is indoctrination, and Mass Effect 3's Leviathan DLC establishes that we have energy shields that block that signal.
Plus I said or Reaper-equivalent drive. The Collector drives were equivalent to Reaper drives, yet don't have indoctrination capabilities. And we have extensive data on Collector ships thanks to James Vega, so we can build those.
Thus why earlier I said Black Ark Theory makes this work within the lore.
No actually it is. You say this doesn't make sense. Well ME doesn't make sense at all as a series. So that's my point. Hyperbolic to prove a point. This has nothing to do with they story or game. I mean you are bitching that Liara didn't know about this project as if bioware ****** knew. Liara didn't know the same way none of us knew. So it really isn't going to make sense no matter what. It is just something we have to accept as a limitation on their part. At this point it is pretty much confirmed.
I'm more bitching about Bioware butchering their continuity with constant retcons and trying to fill in plotholes because they don't know how to set up plot points to not **** up their established lore
Well, they HAVE to be using Reaper technology to get there. It's confirmed to take "a few hundred years" after, and completing the journey in that short length of time would require Reaper tech.
No they actually don't. They could use your cousin as a power source for all we know. So why is it okay for you to make up ****, but when someone says it is plausible for liara to not know you flip a ****? I'm just saying you aren't that consistent here.
No, I was taking the ******. Lighten up pal
Ironic 
I am completely light! Most people here know that....
I'm more bitching about Bioware butchering their continuity with constant retcons and trying to fill in plotholes because they don't know how to set up plot points to not **** up their established lore
They have been doing that since ME1. This isn't anything new.
No they actually don't. They could use your cousin as a power source for all we know. So why is it okay for you to make up ****, but when someone says it is plausible for liara to not know you flip a ****? I'm just saying you aren't that consistent here.
What am I making up here? There is no other technology in the Mass Effect Universe that allows ships to travel that fast. The only ships that can travel at that speed are Reapers, so we can deduce that they must be using Reaper technology. Either that or the Alliance had technology even more advanced than the Reapers hidden away throughout the whole of ME3. But they clearly didn't, or they would have used it.
What am I making up here? There is no other technology in the Mass Effect Universe that allows ships to travel that fast. The only ships that can travel at that speed are Reapers, so we can deduce that they must be using Reaper technology. Either that or the Alliance had technology even more advanced than the Reapers hidden away throughout the whole of ME3.
Or it is plausible bioware doesn't realize what they are saying and they aren't using reaper drives. You seem to be giving them the benefit of the doubt while also criticizing them for ****** up plot holes lol. All I can say is be prepared to be disappointed. I guess you believe more in bioware than me. Fist bump.
What is this black ark theory? Haven't heard of it.
No, it doesn't make sense. None of this is going to make sense in established lore, which means they're going to be retconning stuff and there's gonna be a tonne of plotholes as to how we got the technology to travel between galaxies but we couldn't use this technology to help us defeat the Reapers.
This sucks.
How does cryopods and deep space travel helps against the Reapers?
Also, there is no tech to retconn. The arks initiative are just a longer Manswell Expedition, which was launched from Earth over 100 years before the start of ME1...
Or it is plausible bioware doesn't realize what they are saying and they aren't using reaper drives. You seem to be giving them the benefit of the doubt while also criticizing them for ****** up plot holes lol. All I can say is be prepared to be disappointed. I guess you believe more in bioware than me. Fist bump.
What is this black ark theory? Haven't heard of it.
Black Ark Theory suggests that the Ark is basically a retrofitted Collector Cruiser. I don't think it holds much weight after seeing the trailer yesterday, the ARK(s) looked nothing like Collector ships. Maybe they're just using the tech from them instead of using the actual cruisers themselves, but then that invalidates most of the theory itself.
How does cryopods and deep space travel helps against the Reapers?
Also, there is no tech to retconn. The arks initiative are just a longer Manswell Expedition, which was launched from Earth over 100 years before the start of ME1...
THAT is definitely not what has happened. No way the ARK left Earth before we'd even discovered the Prothean ruins on Mars.
I meant more the tech relating to the power source required which would be comparable to the Crucible itself. If they already had the tech for the Crucible implemented in these ARK ships, why did it take them so long to build the Crucible itself?
At this point, I am beyond caring. Canon ending, no canon ending; lore consistency or retcon. I'm ready to get to the next game. My guess is there will be enough ambiguity that you'll be able to substitute whatever ending you want.
How does cryopods and deep space travel helps against the Reapers?
Also, there is no tech to retconn. The arks initiative are just a longer Manswell Expedition, which was launched from Earth over 100 years before the start of ME1...
It wouldn't make sense, but it would be a cool intro.
Black Ark Theory suggests that the Ark is basically a retrofitted Collector Cruiser. I don't think it holds much weight after seeing the trailer yesterday, the ARK(s) looked nothing like Collector ships. Maybe they're just using the tech from them instead of using the actual cruisers themselves, but then that invalidates most of the theory itself.
The theory also includes them using information about the Collector ships to reverse engineer the drives and needed systems.
THAT is definitely not what has happened. No way the ARK left Earth before we'd even discovered the Prothean ruins on Mars.
I meant more the tech relating to the power source required which would be comparable to the Crucible itself. If they already had the tech for the Crucible implemented in these ARK ships, why did it take them so long to build the Crucible itself?
azarhal meant the two are similar things, not that they're the same expedition.
So this means krogans are still gonna have the genophage.
So this means krogans are still gonna have the genophage.
Depends on when in Mass Effect 3 they leave. They could be leaving after the Fall of Thessia when all hope starts to seem lost, in which case the Krogan could be cured.
Even with the Genophage, on a less hostile planet their numbers will still climb steadily, more so than any other race really.
Depends on when in Mass Effect 3 they leave. They could be leaving after the Fall of Thessia when all hope starts to seem lost, in which case the Krogan could be cured.
Even with the Genophage, on a less hostile planet their numbers will still climb steadily, more so than any other race really.
I got the feeling the left before ME3. The trailer shows couple of Arks orbiting Earth, so it cant be whent he reaper are arriving cause they would have just destroyed the Arks.
Well they could have taken them to some secret starting location, ofc, far from the reapers.
I got the feeling the left before ME3. The trailer shows couple of Arks orbiting Earth, so it cant be whent he reaper are arriving cause they would have just destroyed the Arks.
Well they could have taken them to some secret starting location, ofc, far from the reapers.
True, though Bioware has purposefully edited trailer footage before to keep spoilers secret. For example the Red Lyrium Dragon in Inquisition was replaced by a completely different High Dragon in some trailer versions of cutscenes.
I'm wondering if they'll implement a 'keep' system similar to what Dragon Age had for Inquisition in order to 'carry over' history.
I've got a non-Black Ark theory myself and it focused around the Ark Ships leaving before the end of ME3.
http://forum.bioware...4#entry20315800
I do find it a little silly to see so much mathematical nitpicking a science-fantasy game. This isn't really sci-fi; that ship sailed when ME2 started. It's probably going to come down to "A space wizard did it." I'm not faulting the more mathematically inclined posters for having a big case of "What the frak?!?" The series was always iffy about their "science," but I can see why it's going to be jarring for some, regardless of the explaination given.
I don't know, I found Shep coming back from the dead after being suffociated, caught out in space and then found crashed on a planet harder to swallow than intergalactic travel. The latter may be contradicting some of the lore, but the former was bat guano crazy.
I'll take them expanding the current lore over something that contrived again. It was like they went, "A coma is too stereotypical and it isn't "awesome" enough. I know, let's have Shepard come back from the dead after 3 years!"
It honestly seems silly to nitpick on when we leave either. The effect will be the same either way...they have already said they won't address the endings so the best choice imo is to leave before ME3. That seems obvious, but whatever. I don't care if they leave after ME3 and leave it all vague about the state of the milk way. It won't make me lose any sleep.
Yes, ME has always been terrible with their science. I found ME2 intro pretty hard to swallow too. Especially when you collect the wreckage like lol no. I have seen worse though...
That would guarantee I never touch another Mass Effect game again. After ME I want Shepard to die in obscurity. Or better yet never have existed at all
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