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[JediMindTrix]

http://imgur.com/rqnzueH

 

Possibly the Citadel? or just another ship?

 

I compared the background of this link to the globe in this link: http://guarantysolar...15/06/Globe.png

 

I believe the Great Lakes are dead center of the image, and am sold that this is Earth.

[AngryFrozenWater]

This is my take on it:

The Crucible was build by the galaxy's best scientists and engineers using blueprints from several advanced ancient civilizations. It was clear that the Crucible was able to generate incredible power. However, its was unclear what the "weapon" was supposed to do. So, perhaps it was not too far fetched to ready a backup plan, in case the Crucible would fail.

The Ark could have been that backup plan. It also happens that intergalactic travel may require such power. So, why no use the Crucible-tech to power an engine based on reaper-tech. The scientists and engineers should be able to work on both projects at the same time.

The reapers never found the site where the Crucible was build, or they didn't bother to check it out. Thus such an Ark was hidden from them and most likely from the rest of the galaxy's population.

The Ark must have been top priority, because waiting for using the Crucible as a weapon to fail may have been too late. So the Ark left the galaxy before the Crucible was fired.

The Crucible was a project of the Systems Alliance, with the help of the other races. Therefore humans secured seats aboard the Ark. Just before leaving they picked up some passengers from Earth (which would explain its presence there).

Seems to me that something like the above must have happened.

[RiptideX1090]

http://www.ign.com/a...ffect-andromeda

 

More specifically:

 

" I think, aside from the fact that we said the Mass Effect trilogy was a trilogy for Shepard’s story, which we have concluded, we were very careful to make sure that big choices like that [the Mass Effect 3 finale] wouldn’t impact your decisions.

 

"From that, you can probably infer the timing of when they [the Andromeda explorers] left, to a certain degree."

 

It could mean they left a few hundred years later though, after which time Shepard's decisions will likely no longer be relevant to the main story. Really, it could go either way.

 

I'm not saying it's impossible the Ark ships left before the Reapers arrived, but I will firmly stand behind my belief that it would be intensely contrived that we never once heard so much as a whisper of such a MASSIVE project. One that involved making gigantic ark ships, apparently built to look similar to the Crucible, and firing them off into dark space with what appear to be human made mass relays.

 

It just doesn't line up. They can force it to fit, but it feels like it's going to take a lot of forcing.

[RiptideX1090]

The reapers never found the site where the Crucible was build, or they didn't bother to check it out. Thus such an Ark was hidden from them and most likely from the rest of the galaxy's population.
 

 

Except we clearly see the Arks above Earth. In plain view of numerous Alliance ships. There would of been no hiding those things.

[KaiserShep]

Except we clearly see the Arks above Earth. In plain view of numerous Alliance ships. There would of been no hiding those things.

 

 

Part of me is inclined to think that editing in the video gives a false impression of it being in earth's orbit. 

[AngryFrozenWater]

Except we clearly see the Arks above Earth. In plain view of numerous Alliance ships. There would of been no hiding those things.

Read the end of what I wrote.

 

Just before leaving they picked up some passengers from Earth (which would explain its presence there).

[JediMindTrix]

Part of me is inclined to think that editing in the video gives a false impression of it being in earth's orbit. 

This is certainly possible, but I think it is unlikely.

https://youtu.be/vk_s2oPlTKY?t=87

starting there, you can count six shuttles in the following three shots, one shot of which I identified the North American Great Lakes by way of this screenshot: http://imgur.com/rqnzueH and this image of the globe: http://guarantysolar...15/06/Globe.png
In the following scene, these six shuttles come upon the Ark.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Part of me is inclined to think that editing in the video gives a false impression of it being in earth's orbit. 

Yeah, I think that could be the case too. Bioware has altered cutscenes for trailers before. For example in DAI some scenes with the Red Lyrium Dragon were edited in trailers to show just regular High Dragons. In this case, instead of replacing a dragon they replaced a planet. 

[Ahriman]

Part of me is inclined to think that editing in the video gives a false impression of it being in earth's orbit. 

I had such thoughts after N7 day, but now it becomes a system. Besides it looked like CGI and these aren't cheap to edit.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

Guys, I think we can agree that regardless of what happens, there will be plot holes and retcons. It wouldn't be a Bioware game otherwise!

[The Elder King]

It could mean they left a few hundred years later though, after which time Shepard's decisions will likely no longer be relevant to the main story. Really, it could go either way.

 

I'm not saying it's impossible the Ark ships left before the Reapers arrived, but I will firmly stand behind my belief that it would be intensely contrived that we never once heard so much as a whisper of such a MASSIVE project. One that involved making gigantic ark ships, apparently built to look similar to the Crucible, and firing them off into dark space with what appear to be human made mass relays.

 

It just doesn't line up. They can force it to fit, but it feels like it's going to take a lot of forcing.

They could've just said that if it was the case, since they did say multiple times that the game is set a long time after ME3 (hundreds of years). 

[capn233]

In those two scenes it's just a bunch of components though. We only see the completed version once Hackett gives you an update on building it later.

 

Liara discovers the blueprints on Mars.

 

There isn't reason to believe Hackett had them because they came from a different project.  That is not supported in the game whatsoever.  Liara discovered the blueprints, the Crucible project completely decodes them and improves them.

[UpUpAway]

This is certainly possible, but I think it is unlikely.

https://youtu.be/vk_s2oPlTKY?t=87

starting there, you can count six shuttles in the following three shots, one shot of which I identified the North American Great Lakes by way of this screenshot: http://imgur.com/rqnzueH and this image of the globe: http://guarantysolar...15/06/Globe.png
In the following scene, these six shuttles come upon the Ark.

 

But the distance those shuttles travel is an unknown and the earth is not shown in the same view as the ARKs themselves.  This leaves an "opening" for the ARKs to be someplace hidden; and therefore, it cannot be simply assumed that "people would have noticed" and that we (Shepard) would have to therefore been informed about them in ME3.  Even if the ARKS are above earth while picking up passengers does not preclude them having been built in secret someplace else in the Galaxy.

 

I'm betting they were built in the "Refuge System" near Ilos - using information stored in the Prothean Archives on Ilos and possibly through "reverse engineering" the remnants of the "downed Prothean aerostat colonies" that are described in the Wiki entry for Agetoton (which is also in the Refuge system).  In ME1, Shepard (through Benezia) opened the way to Ilos by her locating the Mu Relay, which had been "lost" to that point.  This means that construction of the ARKs could have started right after the end of ME1.  I think that Anderson simply lied to Shepard about Vigil shutting down, etc. to prevent him/her from getting curious enough to go back there and discover what the Alliance (and Council) was up to... or Anderson himself was mislead by someone else higher up the food chain.  At any rate, the Refuge System does not appear on the galaxy map in either ME2 or ME3.

 

Furthermore, the Protheans could have used their knowledge of the Crucible design to adapt it to create their "aerostat colonies."  We also have no idea how effective their FTL systems were.  For all we know, the Prothean FTLs may have been as effective as the Reaper ones - which are described in the Wiki as being able to go 30 LY in 24 hours or even more effective... we just don't know.

 

I know it probably irks some people to think that Bioware may have considered way back in ME1 that, at some point, the franchise might leave the Milky Way galaxy and expand out into a greater universe... but I think these little references show that they may have indeed left themselves an opening in their lore to take it out of the Milky Way right from the start.

[Patrick260284]

I think the Ark(s) are sent on it´s mission(s) when Shepard is in custody by the Alliance after ME2.

It would fit perfectly since it´s a six month time period. He said it himself when first meeting Kaidan about being "out of the loop these days". Due to his cerberus influence from ME2 he didn´t get much information from the outside and like Vega said he has been under constant surveillance.

 

Also after the events of The Arrival DLC and the destruction of the alpha relay people were getting a little nervous and probably believed Shepard was right about the reapers.

[Iakus]

I don't think Bioware knows what's coming after Andromeda, let alone you. Honestly, I think the direction the series is going to go in is going to depend greatly on this game's success.

I don't think Bioware knew Andromeda was coming before Andromeda

[dreamgazer]

I don't think Bioware knew Andromeda was coming before Andromeda

 

Just like the folks responsible for The Next Generation didn't know that Deep Space Nine and Voyager would be coming after. Nothing at all wrong with that. 

[Vella]

This is my take on it:

The Crucible was build by the galaxy's best scientists and engineers using blueprints from several advanced ancient civilizations. It was clear that the Crucible was able to generate incredible power. However, its was unclear what the "weapon" was supposed to do. So, perhaps it was not too far fetched to ready a backup plan, in case the Crucible would fail.

The Ark could have been that backup plan. It also happens that intergalactic travel may require such power. So, why no use the Crucible-tech to power an engine based on reaper-tech. The scientists and engineers should be able to work on both projects at the same time.

The reapers never found the site where the Crucible was build, or they didn't bother to check it out. Thus such an Ark was hidden from them and most likely from the rest of the galaxy's population.

The Ark must have been top priority, because waiting for using the Crucible as a weapon to fail may have been too late. So the Ark left the galaxy before the Crucible was fired.

The Crucible was a project of the Systems Alliance, with the help of the other races. Therefore humans secured seats aboard the Ark. Just before leaving they picked up some passengers from Earth (which would explain its presence there).

Seems to me that something like the above must have happened.

 

This explanation is simple and it works, which is why I like it and think so myself. No need to complicate things any further or try to fit the ME endings to the new storyline.

[DextroDNA]

This is my take on it:

The Crucible was build by the galaxy's best scientists and engineers using blueprints from several advanced ancient civilizations. It was clear that the Crucible was able to generate incredible power. However, its was unclear what the "weapon" was supposed to do. So, perhaps it was not too far fetched to ready a backup plan, in case the Crucible would fail.

The Ark could have been that backup plan. It also happens that intergalactic travel may require such power. So, why no use the Crucible-tech to power an engine based on reaper-tech. The scientists and engineers should be able to work on both projects at the same time.

The reapers never found the site where the Crucible was build, or they didn't bother to check it out. Thus such an Ark was hidden from them and most likely from the rest of the galaxy's population.

The Ark must have been top priority, because waiting for using the Crucible as a weapon to fail may have been too late. So the Ark left the galaxy before the Crucible was fired.

The Crucible was a project of the Systems Alliance, with the help of the other races. Therefore humans secured seats aboard the Ark. Just before leaving they picked up some passengers from Earth (which would explain its presence there).

Seems to me that something like the above must have happened.

The ARK left before ME3, so it wouldn't have been a backup plan for anything.

 

Therefore, everything else in your post is rendered null and void. Let's not even talk about how ridiculous the notion of "picking up some passengers from Earth is". Yeah, we'll risk sending all these ARK ships we've built with millions of people on-board straight into the heart of the Reaper occupation above Earth and get blown to smithereens.

[Vella]

The ARK left before ME3, so it wouldn't have been a backup plan for anything.

 

Therefore, everything else in your post is rendered null and void

 

Why do you think ark left before ME3?

In my opinion leaving that early makes no sense because practically nobody believed in Reapers before they actually arrived.

[The Elder King]

Why do you think ark left before ME3?

In my opinion leaving that early makes no sense because practically nobody believed in Reapers before they actually arrived.

Because Bioware said the big choices in ME3, like the endings, won't affect the game.

Also, Citadel dlc already confirmed that contrary to what they said before, the Council did believe the Reapers were real.

[Kabooooom]

I compared the background of this link to the globe in this link: http://guarantysolar...15/06/Globe.png

I believe the Great Lakes are dead center of the image, and am sold that this is Earth.

This is correct, it was 100% proven by a very astute redditor. They used an orbital image of Earth in that scene.

[SgtSteel91]

Except they don't look like human design at all either. In fact, if we are being honest, they look like nothing we have ever seen before, and resemble some weird Citadel-Crucible reminiscent combination more than anything else.

An idea I had back in some of the previous Ark theory discussion threads were that these vessels were actually Remnant in origin, and they were found prior to the Reaper War and utilized to get to Andromeda. This would neatly explain how the MW species know of the Remnant and why they are so interested in uncovering more of their technology. However, this would also be an admittedly horribly convenient plot device akin to the Crucible, and we already have enough of those.

This would be an interesting explanation.

Like maybe the Remnant came to the Milky Way and left footprints like specs for Arc Ships that the Alliance/Pathfinder Initiative used to make their own.

[Iakus]

Just like the folks responsible for The Next Generation didn't know that Deep Space Nine and Voyager would be coming after. Nothing at all wrong with that. 

True.  But DS9 and Voyager weren't created because Roddenberry blew up the Federation

[Dalinne]

Yeah, I think that could be the case too. Bioware has altered cutscenes for trailers before. For example in DAI some scenes with the Red Lyrium Dragon were edited in trailers to show just regular High Dragons. In this case, instead of replacing a dragon they replaced a planet. 

^^^^ THAT

 

They have removed Reapers, fires on Earth, fighting in order to not reveal WHEN we go

[CronoDragoon]

Why do you think ark left before ME3?

In my opinion leaving that early makes no sense because practically nobody believed in Reapers before they actually arrived.

 

That the pathfinders are in cryo until arrival in Andromeda complicates a scenario where they leave during ME3 but before the endings. Now you need to account for whether the krogan on board have the genophage or not, because they would be first-generation krogan. Before we had hypothesized that Bio could homogenize the genophage by explaining that over hundreds of years of getting to Andromeda the krogan adapted past the genophage like they had previously done until the modified genophage was dispersed, but that's no longer possible.

 

It's simply easier, given we know the Council actually believed Shepard, to posit that the project was initiated after ME1 and disembarked before ME3.