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[AlanC9]

By "fleet" I mean the huge amount of Alliance ships surrounding the Ark(s) that seem to be protecting/accompanying it.

What would be unusual about a large amount of Alliance ships near Earth?

[DextroDNA]

What would be unusual about a large amount of Alliance ships near Earth?

It would be unusual when they're surrounding huge Ark ships that no-one has ever seen the likes of before. It would raise suspicions, to say the least.

[Sekrev]

I don't get people expecting Bioware to come up with some clever, lore-consistent explanation for the Ark. It was always going to be some half-cooked explanation pulled straight out of their collective ass. They have always been painstakingly bad at plotting and continuity. Just not their thing.

 

EDIT: Also, I still maintain that the Ark leaves before the ME3 ending. Otherwise, there's absolutely no point in going to Andromeda.

 

Or, there is a point in going to Andromeda that we have not yet been presented with. I mean, we barely know anything story-wise, just that we're going to go to Andromeda for whatever reason. Of course everyone is grasping at anything and wants explanations, tying it in to the reaper war and whatnot, making 'sense' of it; but it's entirely plausible that they just don't want to give away the story (or don't want to face the backlash over it yet ) and that all the expectations posted here (with some people being militant about theirs lol) are wrong or not relevant.

 

It seems to me from what we've seen that it's likely to take place after the events of the trilogy, but whatever we'll see. For all we know using the crucible created some side-effect that forces us to move in the long term (yes, that'd be stupid).

 

I agree with you about Bioware's track record for these sort of things where it concerns planning, continuity, etc. So I expect some kind of asspull and a somewhat fresh start. We'll find out for better or worse.

[The One True Nobody]

Of course there's a point in going to Andromeda: eventually people are just going to want to try to expand beyond the galaxy and into another. It's the nature of goddamn civilization. You don't need a more complicated plot reason than that.

[Gwydden]

Now that the Citadel races have access to this, they advance it and, rather than trying to use it simply for one galaxy, a project is launched to reach another galaxy, with the eventual hope of linking the Milky Way and Andromeda via newly-built Mass Relay. Once the two galaxies are properly linked, standard FTL exploration efforts can commence.

I hate to be insistent, but...

 

Leaving aside the fact that it is literally impossible for all three endings to result in the same account, and similarly difficult to pull it off in a satisfying way, if they homogenize the endings they can just stay in the Milky Way. There is no reason for the writers to lead the story there, and no reason for the characters to try to go there. Moreover, the technology we see is almost identical to that in the trilogy, not including the Ark, which is the odd one out.

 

I find it far more likely that the Ark is the anomaly. It will be explained away as recovered precursor technology, or some kind of revolutionary project. What you're suggesting requires them to do something they've said the wouldn't want to do, and then add an extremely implausible intergalactic trip for no reason on top of that. A single Deus Ex Machina to explain away the trip is preferable, even if not ideal.

[AlanC9]

It would be unusual when they're surrounding huge Ark ships that no-one has ever seen the likes of before. It would raise suspicions, to say the least.

But then you are just talking about the ark ships, and the rest is just babble.

I don't see very many Alliance ships there. A handful of cruisers, and what I guess are some merchant types.

[Gwydden]

Or, there is a point in going to Andromeda that we have not yet been presented with.

Of course there's a point in going to Andromeda: eventually people are just going to want to try to expand beyond the galaxy and into another. It's the nature of goddamn civilization. You don't need a more complicated plot reason than that.

I'm not talking about an in-story reason. I'm talking about a meta reason for going to Andromeda. It is a controversial, convoluted move by the writers that is only justified by not wanting to address the endings. Otherwise they're just abandoning the Milky Way for no reason, which is dumb even by the lowest standards.

 

EDIT: I should also add that going to Andromeda for exploration's sake is much, much less dramatic than "finding a new home for humanity" or avoiding complete extinction at the tentacles of the Reapers. If travel between the two galaxies is that simple the whole journey is very cheapened.

[DextroDNA]

But then you are just talking about the ark ships, and the rest is just babble.

Or I'm talking about it as a collective. The ark ships AND the fleet protecting it together.

 

And what is babble? The rest of my post? Because it's definitely not, if you actually read it, it doesn't hinge upon what kind of ships are around the planet at all.

[The Dystopian Hound]

NO Canon ending. Probably before reapers.

[felipejiraya]

I still think the beggining of ME:A will be before the events of ME3 and today's trailer sort of strengthned this for me.

[dreamgazer]

That literally makes no sense. How could the 3 endings lead to the same development for the Galaxy, even after centuries?

Watch the ME3 ending slides and tell me how radically different things truly seem.

Except for the presence of the Reapers, who, really, don't need to stick around after a prolonged period of time.

The broad strokes of civilization could easily find a unified point, enough for the galaxy to get together and say "Yup, we need to go to Andromeda".

[The One True Nobody]

I'm not talking about an in-story reason. I'm talking about a meta reason for going to Andromeda. It is a controversial, convoluted move by the writers that is only justified by not wanting to address the endings. Otherwise they're just abandoning the Milky Way for no reason, which is dumb even by the lowest standards.

 

EDIT: I should also add that going to Andromeda for exploration's sake is much, much less dramatic than "finding a new home for humanity" or avoiding complete extinction at the tentacles of the Reapers. If travel between the two galaxies is that simple the whole journey is very cheapened.

 

One could say that about MASS RELAYS. Or faster-than-light travel. At one point it might even have been said about airplanes. This is just the next logical step in galactic advancement now that civilization is free of the Reapers' prescribed limits on technological evolution.

[Heimdall]

I'm still not convinced that's Earth. I've paused the video and the land masses are too indistinct to say that it's the northeast.

[DextroDNA]

I still think the beggining of ME:A will be before the events of ME3 and today's trailer sort of strengthned this for me.

Really? If anything, this trailer should have weakened that view for you. How could that scene be before ME3 if the technology is more advanced? How could the Ark have left before ME3 with no mention of it in ME1-2?

[DextroDNA]

I'm still not convinced that's Earth. I've paused the video and the land masses are too indistinct to say that it's the northeast.

Where else would it be? Judging from this trailer, we'll have only been in Andromeda for a short while in the game. That planet has cities built all over it and I doubt it's an alien planet from Andromeda seeing as it's the Alliance fleet and the Ark in orbit above it. Even if it's not Earth, it would have to be somewhere in the Milky Way.

[Gwydden]

One could say that about MASS RELAYS. Or faster-than-light travel. At one point it might even have been said about airplanes. This is just the next logical step in galactic advancement now that civilization is free of the Reapers' prescribed limits on technological evolution.

We're talking ME here. The point is not that intergalactic travel shouldn't ever be cheapened, but that if ME in particular is moving to a different galaxy (a desperate if understandable move) they shouldn't cheapen it. Otherwise, they might as well not go.

[Malanek]

Assuming that is earth and the scene is relevant to the story, then perhaps it is a scene about the loading of the Arkships. In this scenario the Alliance believed Shep and constructed the Arkships after ME1. They jump in to the Sol system after construction is complete just before events of ME3 start. They spend a couple of days up in space, under the guise of a military training excercise, while loading the ship. Then they depart.

 

I will make it clear, I find the whole concept of constructing an Ark to go to Andromeda in a limited space of time to be quite absurd anyway. But if you can accept that that is possible I don't think this trailer is a show stopper.

[OdanUrr]

 

Why would they keep that secret? That would be the greatest discovery in our cycle's history. There would be no reason to keep it secret. 

 

Okay, I'll write you a story. Whether it's a good one or a bad one is up to you to decide. Picture this, it's the end of ME1. Shepard's vision about the Reapers seems to be true. This however is known among some circles because the Council is obviously worried about causing a widespread panic. Indeed, they would go on to downplay the Reapers' existence in later games. The Council decides to study the remains of the Reaper Sovereign in the hopes they can develop some sort of countermeasure. Now, whether this next part was part of the Council's agenda or some cabal I leave up to you. The research eventually turns out something useful: the means to achieve intergalactic travel. This in turns fosters the idea of creating an Ark in order to preserve the different species and their knowledge before the Reapers' return. Naturally, none of this can be made public in order not to start a panic. This organization begins the selection process and probably creates some sort of cover story about exploring uncharted territory within the Milky Way (a bit thin, I grant you that, considering we have mass relays). This will be a years-long expedition since they'll be using FTL and not the relays so throw in some cryogenics for good measure. Thus, losing contact with the expedition for a few years may not be such a big deal.

 

Come to think of it, I recall suggesting an Ark story as DLC for ME3. I'll have to look it up.

 

In any case, the point is you can make lots of stories to explain this or that. At some stage however, a certain amount of suspension of disbelief is required. How else could we have resurrected Shepard in ME2 after all?

[dreamgazer]

Cerberus learning how to cure death is arguably the "greatest discovery" in our cycle's history.

Also a secret.

[Gwydden]

Cerberus learning how to cure death is arguably the "greatest discovery" in our cycle's history.

Also a secret.

To be fair, we've done that already. "Clinically dead" doesn't mean the same now as it did in the not-so-olden days.

[Heimdall]

Where else would it be? Judging from this trailer, we'll have only been in Andromeda for a short while in the game. That planet has cities built all over it and I doubt it's an alien planet from Andromeda seeing as it's the Alliance fleet and the Ark in orbit above it.

Terra Nova? Any other longstanding human colony? If the planet is human at all. Thou we don't know that the planet has cities all over, we only see lights in one spot below the Ark. It actually seems pretty dark outside that one area, which might support the idea that this is a colony with the settlements centralized in one area.

It could be that the Ark has been moved to this colony (Or even if it is Earth) prior to launch to take on passengers, it does look more or less complete.

[DextroDNA]

Terra Nova? Any other longstanding human colony? If the planet is human at all. Thou we don't know that the planet has cities all over, we only see lights in one spot below the Ark. It actually seems pretty dark outside that one area, which might support the idea that this is a colony with the settlements centralized in one area.

It could be that the Ark has been moved to this colony (Or even if it is Earth) prior to launch to take on passengers, it does look more or less complete.

Like I said, even if it's not Earth - it is a planet in the Milky Way. Which means it must be post-ME3. No fleet that size would go unnoticed anywhere.

 

And no, it doesn't look that dark outside that one area. That is a HUGE landmass those lights are covering, a lot bigger than a single colony. That's a country.

 

The point remains that this is a planet in the Milky Way, and is likely Earth. Which means post-ME3 unless Bioware is retconning this thing into the game's lore pre-ME3

[Gwydden]

Like I said, even if it's not Earth - it is a planet in the Milky Way. Which means it must be post-ME3. No fleet that size would go unnoticed anywhere.

 

And no, it doesn't look that dark outside that one area. That is a HUGE landmass those lights are covering, a lot bigger than a single colony. That's a country.

 

The point remains that this is a planet in the Milky Way, and is likely Earth. Which means post-ME3 unless Bioware is retconning this thing into the game's lore pre-ME3

Space is big. We never heard of the collectors, the vorcha or the drell before ME2, yet they were always there. Cerberus became a space empire, built a giant Normandy replica and brought a man back from the dead with no one the wiser. The Reapers were retconned every other game. The Crucible appeared out of nowhere, on Mars of all places, when it was convenient.

 

Not terribly good writing, but standard Bioware fare.

[Sekrev]

Like I said, even if it's not Earth - it is a planet in the Milky Way. Which means it must be post-ME3. No fleet that size would go unnoticed anywhere.

 

And no, it doesn't look that dark outside that one area. That is a HUGE landmass those lights are covering, a lot bigger than a single colony. That's a country.

 

The point remains that this is a planet in the Milky Way, and is likely Earth. Which means post-ME3 unless Bioware is retconning this thing into the game's lore pre-ME3

 

It's definitely earth, source picture: http://eoimages.gsfc..._states_lrg.jpg

 

Just zoom a bit, find Chicago and compare to a trailer still, it's obvious, lakes and all.

[Malanek]

Like I said, even if it's not Earth - it is a planet in the Milky Way. Which means it must be post-ME3. No fleet that size would go unnoticed anywhere.

 

And no, it doesn't look that dark outside that one area. That is a HUGE landmass those lights are covering, a lot bigger than a single colony. That's a country.

 

The point remains that this is a planet in the Milky Way, and is likely Earth. Which means post-ME3 unless Bioware is retconning this thing into the game's lore pre-ME3

The galaxy is a big place. Significantly bigger fleets including the construction of the crucible go unnoticed throughout the events of ME3. I have no problem with that part of it.

 

I'm not convinced it is Earth, but I do admit it looked like it and I got the Earth "vibe". But there are viable explanations.