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[The One True Nobody]

We're talking ME here. The point is not that intergalactic travel shouldn't ever be cheapened, but that if ME in particular is moving to a different galaxy (a desperate if understandable move) they shouldn't cheapen it. Otherwise, they might as well not go.

 

Your definition of "cheapen" is a liberal, self-invented one that hinges upon it being "cheapened" if it's not directly tied to a past plot which has already been completely (if messily) resolved. The fact is we don't know how much time has passed, and the only notion that this program was launched even within the same human lifetime as the Reaper War is hearsay based upon the idea that BioWare would have to place the Ark before the endings in order to ignore them, when the very move to Andromeda is enough to avoid strongly referencing the direct cultural results of the endings and variables in the first place.

 

The simple concept that the galaxy's technological achievements advanced enough once free of Reaper control to make extragalactic travel possible, possibly even the construction of new Mass Relays possible, is enough not to "cheapen" it. This is the next logical step after the Reapers: true technological freedom from the limits the galaxy has been kept under for the last however many 50,000-year cycles.

[Urizen]

That's the smallest of issues for me. We didn't have ressurection technology until ME2, we didn't have technology to beat Reapers until ME3. Last minute Deus Ex Machina is more than typical for ME.

 

Isn´t that the truth! Engines aside, the construction of the ark is indeed possible with the tech available. The only reason Ilos failed, was that the protheans underestimated the time it took the reapers to eradicate their species, hence why the energy supply was insufficient. If you account for that, cryostasis is possible. That still leaves the discharge problem of the drive core though. Unless it is possible to repurpose the discharge to energize the stasispods. Hmmm....

[Ralfufigus]

Who says that planet is Earth? Just because it kinda looks like Earth doesn't really mean that it IS Earth. I mean, I'm pretty sure I saw what looked like a Turian ship at one point in that scene. Could it be the home planet of another race, and the ARK was just a cross-species project? I mean, that planet COULD have been Thessia, Palaven, or Sur'Kesh. We do know that the Asari and Salarian are confirmed to be in ME:A, and that there have been multiple cross-species projects in the original trilogy. To get around having to change anything, perhaps Shepard was never aware of its existence, as the higher-ups could have potentially feared it would have too much impact on the mission.

[Vortex13]

I'm not a big fan of the 'tone' behind the ark launch, as presented in the most recent trailer, there's no sense of dire straights involved. Sure the whole intergalactic voyage would be a surmounting obstacle, but having multiple ark ships parked peacefully in earth orbit really begs the question of why the push for Andromeda? Overlooking the fact that we still have 99% of the milky way unexplored, why would we be scrambling for a 2 million light year trip when everything is hunky dory back home. 

 

 

I was hoping for something at least along the lines of Titan A.E.

 

[TK514]

The tech solution is easy. "We found this thing..."

It worked for the relays, the Citadel, the archive on Mars, a living prothean, a living leviathan, a prothean beacon, countless prothean artifacts, a secret prothean research world, a living rachni queen egg, a dead reaper on one end of the galaxy and a big gun on the other and so on and so forth.

In the ME setting, the answer to many, many problems (and the start of others) is "we found something...".

[Sekrev]

Who says that planet is Earth? Just because it kinda looks like Earth doesn't really mean that it IS Earth. I mean, I'm pretty sure I saw what looked like a Turian ship at one point in that scene. Could it be the home planet of another race, and the ARK was just a cross-species project? I mean, that planet COULD have been Thessia, Palaven, or Sur'Kesh. We do know that the Asari and Salarian are confirmed to be in ME:A, and that there have been multiple cross-species projects in the original trilogy. To get around having to change anything, perhaps Shepard was never aware of its existence, as the higher-ups could have potentially feared it would have too much impact on the mission.

 

As I and others have pointed out before, the planet's texture is literally this: http://eoimages.gsfc..._states_lrg.jpg

 

It's Earth.

[Dani100]

I don't want a canon ending but a little information making it to the arks would be good. Mostly I'd like to hear more about the destroy ending. The other endings you know what happened to Shepard but in the destroy all you get is a breath, not good enough.

[Vella]

I think people are missing the possibility to use mass relays to travel to Andromeda.

From MEwiki

 

"Mass relays function by creating a virtually mass-free "corridor" of space-time between each other. This can propel a starship across enormous distances that would take centuries to traverse, even at FTL speeds."

[capn233]

As I and others have pointed out before, the planet's texture is literally this:

 

It may or may not be earth.

 

Mars makes several appearances in ME1, for example.

[Urizen]

I think people are missing the possibility to use mass relays to travel to Andromeda.

From MEwiki

 

"Mass relays function by creating a virtually mass-free "corridor" of space-time between each other. This can propel a starship across enormous distances that would take centuries to traverse, even at FTL speeds."

 

You might want to read again what you just quoted. Seriously, read it. A better quote would have been:

 

"Primary mass relays can propel ships thousands of light years, often from one spiral arm of the galaxy to another. However, they have fixed one-to-one connections: a primary relay connects to one other primary relay, and nowhere else. Secondary relays can only propel ships a few hundred light years, however they are omnidirectional: a secondary relay can send a ship to any other relay within its limited range." So no, the Arks cannot simply use a Mass Relay.

[TK514]

It may or may not be earth.
 
Mars makes several appearances in ME1, for example.

No no, that's not Mars. It's, uh, a completely different planet called, err, Klendagon. *cough*

Still, there's a big difference between using pictures of Mars most people won't recognize vs trying to pass off "I can see my house from here" as some alien world.

[The Elder King]

I think people are missing the possibility to use mass relays to travel to Andromeda.

From MEwiki

 

"Mass relays function by creating a virtually mass-free "corridor" of space-time between each other. This can propel a starship across enormous distances that would take centuries to traverse, even at FTL speeds."

For this to work there should be mass relays in Andromeda. Which would mean the Reapers went there as well. There's nothing indicating they did.

Also, if we used mass relays to go to Andromeda, I'm not sure we'd need cryostasis.

[DextroDNA]

Which would mean the Reapers went there as well. There's nothing indicating they did.

Nothing indicating they didn't, either.

 

I don't want the Reapers to have any significant role in ME:A's plot, but it would be cool if they had sent a Vanguard to Andromeda to scout it out but was destroyed. Finding a Reaper's corpse on some random planet would be awesome. Could even make for a cool side quest. Wouldn't it be cool if we discovered a disabled Reaper with an active intelligence that we could maybe have as a squadmate a la EDI?

[Vella]

For this to work there should be mass relays in Andromeda. Which would mean the Reapers went there as well. There's nothing indicating they did.

Also, if we used mass relays to go to Andromeda, I'm not sure we'd need cryostasis.

 

Sure, but the function of mass relays could be altered for the sake of the plot. What I mean is that the technology to reach andromeda exists.

[The Elder King]

Nothing indicating they didn't, either.

 

I don't want the Reapers to have any significant role in ME:A's plot, but it would be cool if they had sent a Vanguard to Andromeda to scout it out but was destroyed. Finding a Reaper's corpse on some random planet would be awesome. Could even make for a cool side quest. Wouldn't it be cool if we discovered a disabled Reaper with an active intelligence that we could maybe have as a squadmate a la EDI?

I don't think they'd have just sent one Reaper to an unknown, far away galaxy, to be honest.

I'm not sure if I'd like or not your idea, though in the end it doesn't matter much regarding the topic. If relays are in Andromeda it'd mean that the Reapers' presence there was far greater then a lone Reaper. 

[DextroDNA]

I don't think they'd have just sent one Reaper to an unknown, far away galaxy, to be honest.

I'm not sure if I'd like or not your idea, though in the end it doesn't matter much regarding the topic. If relays are in Andromeda it'd mean that the Reapers' presence there was far greater then a lone Reaper. 

There's definitely no Mass Relays in Andromeda, but just like they send one Reaper (Sovereign) as a Vanguard to the Milky Way, they could have sent one to Andromeda. Hell, it could even be a "clone" of Sovereign! Or his half brother Sluggard.

[Sekrev]

There's definitely no Mass Relays in Andromeda, but just like they send one Reaper (Sovereign) as a Vanguard to the Milky Way, they could have sent one to Andromeda. Hell, it could even be a "clone" of Sovereign! Or his half brother Sluggard.

 

Looking at the timescales the reapers operated on, and their goals and abilities, it would be illogical and stupid of them *not* to have gone over to the neighbouring galaxy and check it out. That said, I hope Bioware stays the hell away from Reapers this time.

 

Also about the relays, if there are active relays leading towards Andromeda that would meaning the ending plague has spread there too via the relay colour explosions

[The Elder King]

Sure, but the function of mass relays could be altered for the sake of the plot. What I mean is that the technology to reach andromeda exists.

Going from one end to the other of the Milky way is a thing. The distance to go to Andromeda is far, far greater. The relays aren't meant to travel between or in other galaxies, even in the case they can change them in working without the second relay (which is really, really unlikely in any case). 

Again, I think that a travel with the mass relay to Andromeda, regardless if possible or not, contradicts the fact that we slept for who knows how.

[planehazza]

Why does ME'3 ending matter? And of course it means some of them are written off.  The refuse ending means humanity are wiped out, yet here they are in ME:A.

 

Even though ME:A is not a sequel, it is still in the same universe and in the not too distant future of ME3 so you simply can't align to all of the endings of ME3. Unless of course, this was ultra secret, meaning that Shephard, Anderson, Hackett, Udina... they were all unaware of this secret "plan B" in case of failure... This could mean that they are the only humans left in the universe; they could be the only pure, none 'synthesised' humans.

 

It's going to be finding out.

[Vella]

I was thinking more like "lets tinker with this mass relay to make it propel our ship in the general direction of an other galaxy, you know with desperate times and desperate measures"

[The Elder King]

There's definitely no Mass Relays in Andromeda, but just like they send one Reaper (Sovereign) as a Vanguard to the Milky Way, they could have sent one to Andromeda. Hell, it could even be a "clone" of Sovereign! Or his half brother Sluggard.

I think Sovereign was left behind from the start, to send the signal to the Keepers in the Citadel to open the relay.

[Sekrev]

Going from one end to the other of the Milky way is a thing. The distance to go to Andromeda is far, far greater. The relays aren't meant to travel between or in other galaxies, even in the case they can change them in working without the second relay (which is really, really unlikely in any case). 

Again, I think that a travel with the mass relay to Andromeda, regardless if possible or not, contradicts the fact that we slept for who knows how.

 

Don't know how you're so sure what the relays are meant to do and not. I think they won't go for the relay thing as it's cheap and kinda stupid. Though, it might give us a little start seeing as the Citadel is one, and there should be counterpart to that somewhere in dark space so the Reapers could invade, no? So that might account for a tiny headstart on the way.

[The Elder King]

Don't know how you're so sure what the relays are meant to do and not. I think they won't go for the relay thing as it's cheap and kinda stupid. Though, it might give us a little start seeing as the Citadel is one, and there should be counterpart to that somewhere in dark space so the Reapers could invade, no? So that might account for a tiny headstart on the way.

That's a different idea from what was suggested. And you're right that's an example of travel beyond the same galaxy (I forgot about that) which they might or might not decide to use.

I was mostly objecting at using them to go directly or near Andromeda without any other relays in the destination. If there's one there or near it, it'd be reasonable, regardless if I like or not using relays to go to Andromeda.

[fizzypop]

I hope they don't do a canon ending for ME3. I want to pretend that never happened.

[Sekrev]

That's a different idea from what was suggested. And you're right that's an example of travel beyond the same galaxy (I forgot about that) which they might or might not decide to use.

I was mostly objecting at using them to go directly or near Andromeda without any other relays in the destination. If there's one there or near it, it'd be reasonable, regardless if I like or not using relays to go to Andromeda.

 

Yeah I know what you meant, I was more adding to the ongoing discussion instead of replying to you in particular with the relay thing. And yeah as I said I also think that just popping through a relay near or in Andromeda would be lame, and inconsistent with what seems like waking up from cryo and going 'we made it'.