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What has happened to the Soul of Mass Effect Andromeda?


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BW has said more than a couple of times that they are taking the Fallout 4 approach to advertising which is to wait closer to launch to unleash the real hype. Remember all the hype for DA:I and all the cool stuff you could do in the E3 demo and then it got cut? Yeah.


If they were taking the Fallout 4 approach the game would not even be announced yet, instead they're leaving us hanging for the better part of a year.

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I think what you are trying to say in that video is that you were expecting to fall in love with the game and you didn't and now you're worried that you won't. I understand the disappointment but I think the problem is they just didn't show enough. If after the big info blow-out in the autumn, you still haven't fallen in love, then you will be right to be concerned. For now though, I don't think we have enough to go on to judge whether this game has the "soul" of Mass Effect or not.

 

Still, like I said, I get the disappointment. I was pretty steamed when the video ended after all hype the devs built up around EA Play. September can't come fast enough (assuming they're talking about PAX). Frankly though, I just want the damn game in my hands.


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I couldn't disagree with this guy more. A) literally everything he said is a bit premature.

B ) although they haven't confirmed it, they pretty much have heavily hinted at a pre ME3 ending departure, which means the "stakes" are obvious - we are going to Andromeda as a contingency plan. For all the colonists know, the Reapers could have won. And indeed, if you chose Refuse (and Bioware has said there are no canon endings), they DID win. So to them, they may be the last survivors of the MW. Without meta gaming, that raises the stakes and certainly helps immersion.

C) that trailer definitely exuded the "soul of Mass Effect" to me. It is obviously the spiritual successor to Mass Effect 1, which is honestly the best thing they could have ever done.
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I couldn't disagree with this guy more. A) literally everything he said is a bit premature.

B ) although they haven't confirmed it, they pretty much have heavily hinted at a pre ME3 ending departure, which means the "stakes" are obvious - we are going to Andromeda as a contingency plan. For all the colonists know, the Reapers could have won. And indeed, if you chose Refuse (and Bioware has said there are no canon endings), they DID win. So to them, they may be the last survivors of the MW. Without meta gaming, that raises the stakes and certainly helps immersion.

C) that trailer definitely exuded the "soul of Mass Effect" to me. It is obviously the spiritual successor to Mass Effect 1, which is honestly the best thing they could have ever done.

 

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I didn't feel a shred of excitement this morning, and this was justified later in the day.

 

I don't feel a shred of excitement about Andromeda. Translate that into what you will.

True.

 

This is more of a "here we go again."



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I haven't seen anything to be excited about thus far.

Recycled Races, Recycled models, Recyled Gameplay, not to be mention the plot which, from what we know, it seems to be a quick-fix that completely ignores the Mass Effect Universe that we are attached to and the events which took place there.

Nevertheless, it might be fun. Therefore I am eager to see long, 15 plus minutes gameplay-oriented videos like the ones we had seen for DAI over a year before release. If they put Mike Laidlaw to promote the whole thing, I might even pre-order it. He has got me twice into pre-ordering Bioware games.
 


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Recycled Races, Recycled models, Recyled Gameplay, not to be mention the plot which, from what we know, it seems to be a quick-fix that completely ignores the Mass Effect Universe that we are attached to and the events which took place there.


So...hold up, you don't want them to ignore the Mass Effect Universe...but you are upset that they are using prior races, models, and combat? How does that make any sense?
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I haven't seen anything to be excited about thus far.

Recycled Races, Recycled models, Recyled Gameplay, not to be mention the plot which, from what we know, it seems to be a quick-fix that completely ignores the Mass Effect Universe that we are attached to and the events which took place there.

Nevertheless, it might be fun. Therefore I am eager to see long, 15 plus minutes gameplay-oriented videos like the ones we had seen for DAI over a year before release. If they put Mike Laidlaw to promote the whole thing, I might even pre-order it. He has got me twice into pre-ordering Bioware games.
 


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Since you are, can you take a shot at answering Kabooooom's question above?

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So...hold up, you don't want them to ignore the Mass Effect Universe...but you are upset that they are using prior races, models, and combat? How does that make any sense?

How can I explain this to you, young grasshopper?

 

Humanity invented language to satisfy their need to complain.


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I haven't seen anything to be excited about thus far.
Recycled Races, Recycled models, Recyled Gameplay, not to be mention the plot which, from what we know, it seems to be a quick-fix that completely ignores the Mass Effect Universe that we are attached to and the events which took place there.
Nevertheless, it might be fun. Therefore I am eager to see long, 15 plus minutes gameplay-oriented videos like the ones we had seen for DAI over a year before release. If they put Mike Laidlaw to promote the whole thing, I might even pre-order it. He has got me twice into pre-ordering Bioware games.


I dunno. Recycled races, models and gameplay all seem like pluses in and of themselves, but then I loved ME3's gameplay. As for the setting, we should have seen it coming. If not Andromeda, it would have been a prequel/midquel set so far removed from familar places so as not to overlap Shepard's influence, and I am absolutely certain that lots of people would complain about that too. At least here there's total freedom to have as big or small a scale to work with, without having to account for the ridiculously big baggage that caps off the trilogy. Maybe here, the Universe will feel large again. I can't say that it really did after ME1.

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I dunno. Recycled races, models and gameplay all seem like pluses in and of themselves, but then I loved ME3's gameplay. As for the setting, we should have seen it coming. If not Andromeda, it would have been a prequel/midquel set so far removed from familar places so as not to overlap Shepard's influence, and I am absolutely certain that lots of people would complain about that too. At least here there's total freedom to have as big or small a scale to work with, without having to account for the ridiculously big baggage that caps off the trilogy. Maybe here, the Universe will feel large again. I can't say that it really did after ME1.

 

If they make a game and make one of the ME 3 endings canon, this ppl complaining right now will be complaining anyway. They arey complainers they like to complain.

 

Like someone else say ppl complain  for the whole reason of complain. Is more if this E3 presentation, show us a 20m gameplay that spoil alot of the story they will complain.

 

Another interview, there is a point on the video where he say ppl now said that the Mako was ok, but back them ppl complain hard about the Mako on ME1, and i remember that on the forums. 

 

PPl do this just bc they can


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I couldn't disagree with this guy more. A) literally everything he said is a bit premature.

B ) although they haven't confirmed it, they pretty much have heavily hinted at a pre ME3 ending departure, which means the "stakes" are obvious - we are going to Andromeda as a contingency plan. For all the colonists know, the Reapers could have won. And indeed, if you chose Refuse (and Bioware has said there are no canon endings), they DID win. So to them, they may be the last survivors of the MW. Without meta gaming, that raises the stakes and certainly helps immersion.

C) that trailer definitely exuded the "soul of Mass Effect" to me. It is obviously the spiritual successor to Mass Effect 1, which is honestly the best thing they could have ever done.

 

 

Simply stated, a lot of what you have indicated is "Heavily Hinted" is all HUGE conjecture about what the story may possible could be. 

Instead of having the fan base try to pick about nonsense, give us what God of War 4 did, give us what Detroit Human Being did. Understand what Mass Effect really is and give us that need, not tangentially from interviews that Mac Walters gives. 

This trailer should have you concerned



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Simply stated, a lot of what you have indicated is "Heavily Hinted" is all HUGE conjecture about what the story may possible could be. 

Instead of having the fan base try to pick about nonsense, give us what God of War 4 did, give us what Detroit Human Being did. Understand what Mass Effect really is and give us that need, not tangentially from interviews that Mac Walters gives. 

This trailer should have you concerned

 

There's no real reason to be concerned just because they haven't given us as much information as we wanted.

 

We've got ~9 months to figure out if there's problems with the game. Convincing ourselves right now that it has problems is just going to make us biased.



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I think Capone666 has a point. I don't have much info to get invested in the fourth iteration of the series. That lack of info probably has to do with how fans responded to things like the forced co-operation with Cerberus in ME2 and the ending of ME3. It resulted in fear on BW's side. Thus they only show cosmetics in the hope they can get away with it and hide critique from the shareholders' eyes. Gamers are more critical these days and they should. Even CoD fans don't follow their series blindly anymore, like the sales figures for the CoD pre-orders show. BTW the CoD info during E3 may change that. Even I am interested now.


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In case you had forgotten, this is the difference a decade makes:

 

 

It is far too early to be concerned.



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I think Capone666 has a point. I don't have much info to get invested in the fourth iteration of the series. That lack of info probably has to do with how fans responded to things like the forced co-operation with Cerberus in ME2 and the ending of ME3. It resulted in fear. Thus they only show cosmetics in the hope they can get away with it and hide critique from the shareholders' eyes. Gamers are more critical these days and they should. Even CoD fans don't follow their series blindly anymore, like the sales figures for the CoD pre-orders show. BTW the CoD info during E3 may change that. Even I am interested now.

 

It's a fair point to say that not enough information has been given to get invested or hyped up. I'm not hyped up for a game I still know almost nothing about.

 

Though my argument has always been that we should not prematurely call a game either troubled or the greatest thing ever this far away from release date. I know people like to try to figure things out early and act like they "called it" but really, trying to talk about how the game has issues right now is trying to figure out the answer to an equation where you don't have all the variables yet.

 

I'm not saying that the game is for sure not in trouble. I'm just saying we should wait until we have more information before we act like the sky is falling.


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I think Capone666 has a point. I don't have much info to get invested in the fourth iteration of the series. That lack of info probably has to do with how fans responded to things like the forced co-operation with Cerberus in ME2 and the ending of ME3. It resulted in fear on BW's side. Thus they only show cosmetics in the hope they can get away with it and hide critique from the shareholders' eyes. Gamers are more critical these days and they should. Even CoD fans don't follow their series blindly anymore, like the sales figures for the CoD pre-orders show. BTW the CoD info during E3 may change that. Even I am interested now.

I wonder if they seriously think this "We've got a kewl new game coming but we're not gonna tell you anyhting about it" marketing is actually going to bring in any new players?


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Bioware hasn't got a soul. It sold its own to EA for 5$ long ago.

 

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I wonder if they seriously think this "We've got a kewl new game coming but we're not gonna tell you anyhting about it" marketing is actually going to bring in any new players?

 

story tells ppl get interesting on this "mystery" games. Alot of game do this, and only fans keep track of everything.

 

Is crazy to read some forums about E3 presentation, and saying how cool the ME A trailer was.



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Instead of having the fan base try to pick about nonsense, give us what God of War 4 did, give us what Detroit Human Being did. Understand what Mass Effect really is and give us that need, not tangentially from interviews that Mac Walters gives. 
This trailer should have you concerned

This would be a more convincing an argument if you added some discussion of what Mass Effect actually is, and why the trailers leave you concerned that ME:A won't have it.
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Simply stated, a lot of what you have indicated is "Heavily Hinted" is all HUGE conjecture about what the story may possible could be. 

Instead of having the fan base try to pick about nonsense, give us what God of War 4 did, give us what Detroit Human Being did. Understand what Mass Effect really is and give us that need, not tangentially from interviews that Mac Walters gives. 

This trailer should have you concerned

 

 

yeahhhhhhh nooooo. Alot of ppl didnt like God of War 4. Since it was moving to far away from what GoW was.

 

Really this is just your opinion at the point, and for the look on the forums respond is a minority, most ppl really havent see much to get a conclusion, and outside some trolls comments about AE, i can really see ppl been ok with the trailer, and that it indeed have the "ME Soul" you are claiming it doesnt have .



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This would be a more convincing an argument if you added some discussion of what Mass Effect actually is, and why the trailers leave you concerned that ME:A won't have it.

 

I do that extensively in the video, and I really do think we are not a gross minority here. 

Had there been not a SINGLE PERSON who agreed with my assessment then I'd let it die...but that's simply not the case. 


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If they were taking the Fallout 4 approach the game would not even be announced yet, instead they're leaving us hanging for the better part of a year.

Because though they are taking lessons from the Fallout 4 method, they are not following it exactly. They are giving people drips of information, so the audience knows it's coming but not doing the full reveal until closer to time.

 

This trailer should have you concerned

 

No it shouldn't because I am not you and do not share your POV.


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I do that extensively in the video, and I really do think we are not a gross minority here. 

Had there been not a SINGLE PERSON who agreed with my assessment then I'd let it die...but that's simply not the case. 

 

Something worth noting for everybody here:

 

If you're going to post a video you should summarize the main points from it in the OP(or post in which you link to the video). I get that people want to push their YouTube channels and as long as it's Mass Effect related It's all good, but many of us wont watch videos for whatever reason.

 

You don't really cover any of those points in the OP that Alan is talking about, even if they are in the video.


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