And that sadly is the point. BioWare did write all the canon which just makes the conscripting let alone recruiting of women into the Wardens abhorrent.
I understand your frustration with them.
No, the problem is with the book. Like Deception, some things clash enough with canon that they can be safely ignored, even if they did appear in an official book.
No, the problem is with the book. Like Deception, some things clash enough with canon that they can be safely ignored, even if they did appear in an official book.
I understand your aggravation. I share it, but there are so many clashes within the Dragon Age system that I can't really ignore them. Actually, as I think upon it, this could cause their writers to come up with some sort of cure to avoid brood mothers and ghouldom. It would, to my mind, surely be hopeful if there was something at the end of the tunnel rather than misery and death. If they could come up with a cure for the tranquil, most assuredly they could come up with a cure for this. Perhaps the HoF will find it if they survived to DAI.
I understand your aggravation. I share it, but there are so many clashes within the Dragon Age system that I can't really ignore them. Actually, as I think upon it, this could cause their writers to come up with some sort of cure to avoid brood mothers and ghouldom. It would, to my mind, surely be hopeful if there was something at the end of the tunnel rather than misery and death. If they could come up with a cure for the tranquil, most assuredly they could come up with a cure for this. Perhaps the HoF will find it if they survived to DAI.
I'm not aggravated. The Last Flight is just lorebreaking. 'Tis fine, I never really intended to read it.
I am sure they wouldn't if they were in their right minds. However in Awakening all of the Wardens are taken alive at the Vigil and later the Warden Commander is captured alive. So, with respect, being a brood mother is no out of the question.
In Awakening they're taken alive because their captors are "awakened", intelligent darkspawn that are appearing in Thedas for the first time in centuries, doing that at the request of their master, the Architect, one of the Seven Magisters if Gaider is to be believed (and still, not all of those Wardens were delivered to the Architect alive, as he points out). The Warden-Commander is only captured alive because his/her captor was a Magister Sidereal as well, not a common darkspawn.
Is not like all darkspawn think like the Disciples, as we can see in the games (specially DA:I). Thinking Darkspawn are still a minority among their kind, even if you ally with the Architect in Awakening.
I have always said that make the females join the wardens is the stupidest idea ever and it should be forbidden.They make a female a GW then at the end of her career they sent her on the deep roads where she will be found and turned into a broodmothers who will generate thousands of darkspawns....
Do we know this for certain?
We know that the joining can render GWs sterile, and by the age of The Calling a lot of women would be infertile, anyway.
I guess I've always thought that broodmothers are created from other captured women, not GWs. I don't think a GW on her calling would be taken alive, anyway. She'd fight to her death.
You both raise valid points, but that does not preclude the young Warden commander from being captured by the Architect in Awakening. I am not certain either that age would effect this breeding business. If you follow the rhyme that the tainted dwarf uses in DAO, it appears to be magical as well. The truth is that we don't know if they can breed after that, but I must agree with German Soldier that female wardens are "the stupidest idea ever and should be forbidden." Not that women can't fight, but since females can be broodmothers AND the Wardens know this, it is simply another we do as we d*mn*d well please attitude. Anything to achieve their goal no matter how sordid that might be. UGH
The truth is that we don't know if they can breed after that, but I must agree with German Soldier that female wardens are "the stupidest idea ever and should be forbidden." Not that women can't fight, but since females can be broodmothers AND the Wardens know this, it is simply another we do as we d*mn*d well please attitude. Anything to achieve their goal no matter how sordid that might be. UGH
Grey Wardens cannot become broodmothers.
You both raise valid points, but that does not preclude the young Warden commander from being captured by the Architect in Awakening. I am not certain either that age would effect this breeding business. If you follow the rhyme that the tainted dwarf uses in DAO, it appears to be magical as well. The truth is that we don't know if they can breed after that, but I must agree with German Soldier that female wardens are "the stupidest idea ever and should be forbidden." Not that women can't fight, but since females can be broodmothers AND the Wardens know this, it is simply another we do as we d*mn*d well please attitude. Anything to achieve their goal no matter how sordid that might be. UGH
For all we know, the Architect doesn't want to turn the Warden-Commander into a Broodmother. The proof is Utha, who is living with him since 9:10 Dragon, and isn't a broodmother, just a ghouled dwarven woman with free will. He wants someone who can help him, and turning the Warden-Commander into a broodmother doesn't help him to achieve that.
And that transformation involves more that only being tainted. Involves some sh** about a lot of darkspawn raping the poor woman, given her some stuff to eat (fluids, flesh and that). That means that female Wardens don't just mutate into broodmothers if they are careful and die before being raped. They just became ghouls, like Utha (who was a Warden, btw, and somehow proofs female Wardens don't turn into broodmothers).
Only because the Architect approached a potential female Warden, doesn't mean she was in danger of becoming a broodmother.
For all we know, the Architect doesn't want to turn the Warden-Commander into a Broodmother. The proof is Utha, who is living with him since 9:10 Dragon, and isn't a broodmother, just a ghouled dwarven woman with free will. He wants someone who can help him, and turning the Warden-Commander into a broodmother doesn't help him to achieve that.
And that transformation involves more that only being tainted. Involves some sh** about a lot of darkspawn raping the poor woman, given her some stuff to eat (fluids, flesh and that). That means that female Wardens don't just mutate into broodmothers if they are careful and die before being raped. They just became ghouls, like Utha (who was a Warden, btw, and somehow proofs female Wardens don't turn into broodmothers).
Only because the Architect approached a potential female Warden, doesn't mean she was in danger of becoming a broodmother.
The Warden Commander is only one example. We don't know how many others were captured and given the fact that the Last Flight clearly states that Wardens can become a broodmother, the difference is that the Architect was not looking to make one. He was looking for a way to free the darkspawn from the call of the Old Gods and hence to avert more Blights and huge loss of life among the darkspawn at the least. The fact that the commander was not turned does not mean that she could not be turned.
Last Flight say Wardens can become broodmothers. Yet, we have an NPC, Utha, who actually demonstrates female Wardens don't turn into broodmothers automatically.
Utha has been a Grey Warden since before 9:10 Dragon, and has been a ghoul for 21 years by the time Awakening takes place. Still, isn't crazy like Hespith neither has become a broodmother (that Laryn show us it can happen in less than 2 years).
and given the fact that the Last Flight clearly states that Wardens can become a broodmother
A. An individual person says that, not an omnipotent voice, and B. it's not uncommon for books to get things wrong.
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