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[Sifr]

I didn't care for his Shepard, but I rather enjoyed the other characters he played throughout the trilogy and in other games. 

 

Yeah, he did great work playing (pretty much every) Vorcha, Volus and Hanar characters... especially the Biotic God and Blasto!

 

You see the Great Lakes, the eastern coastline of North America, and the metropolises in that region are all exactly where they are on Earth. It's Earth in that trailer.

 

True, but it could be another case of "trailers always lie". Could be that they used Earth as a reference/stand-in because it was easier than creating a unique looking world for a shot that lasts only a few seconds, but it's supposed to be another planet under Council Space control.

[Helios969]

Yeah, he did great work playing (pretty much every) Vorcha, Volus and Hanar characters... especially the Biotic God and Blasto!

 

 

True, but it could be another case of "trailers always lie". Could be that they used Earth as a reference/stand-in because it was easier than creating a unique looking world for a shot that lasts only a few seconds, but it's supposed to be another planet under Council Space control.

I think that must be the case, otherwise (assuming prologue sequence) immersion will be shattered from the start.  Any fleet like that over Earth and Shep will know...because half the galaxy will know.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Yeah, he did great work playing (pretty much every) Vorcha, Volus and Hanar characters... especially the Biotic God and Blasto!

 

 

True, but it could be another case of "trailers always lie". Could be that they used Earth as a reference/stand-in because it was easier than creating a unique looking world for a shot that lasts only a few seconds, but it's supposed to be another planet under Council Space control.

 

 

I think that must be the case, otherwise (assuming prologue sequence) immersion will be shattered from the start.  Any fleet like that over Earth and Shep will know...because half the galaxy will know.

 

 

On the other hand, they are advertising humans leaving Earth to find a new home. I suspect it's exactly how it looks. If Shepard being brought back from the dead in the opening cutscene of ME2 didn't break immersion for everyone playing, why would this?

[Mistic]

True, but it could be another case of "trailers always lie". Could be that they used Earth as a reference/stand-in because it was easier than creating a unique looking world for a shot that lasts only a few seconds, but it's supposed to be another planet under Council Space control.

 

That's true, but we can only make guesses with the information we are given. The burden of proof is on the theories that rely on the Arks not being near Earth, not the opposite.

[Medhia_Nox]

Still holding out that this is a generation ship... and that making it to Andromeda was almost a religion for these people.

 

And that her:  "We made it."  Was as much awe as it was disbelief that the impossible happened in her lifetime.

 

Stasis is the worst story... 

[Chealec]

I'd take customization over a "tight story that works well" any day of the week when it comes to Role-Playing Games. 

 

Honestly, I don't believe the free-form, fluid customisation of paper 'n' pencil RPGs has ever translated entirely successfully into the fixed framework of a computer game - and a more fixed protagonist is the best way around that, especially with something like Mass Effect. The series has far too much emphasis on inter-personal relationships for the protagonist to be a blank slate.

 

In Pillars of Eternity, for instance, the NPCs explain to me who/what Eothas is and how he's dead and his followers generally reviled in Guilded Vale and so on ... when I'm playing as a Priest of Eothas. Something which just isn't taken into account in any of the interactions.

 

It's bad enough in a graphical text-adventure like PoE - it would be unbearable in a game like ME (though it comes close at times when playing as a Biotic in ME1).

[The Elder King]

Still holding out that this is a generation ship... and that making it to Andromeda was almost a religion for these people.

 

And that her:  "We made it."  Was as much awe as it was disbelief that the impossible happened in her lifetime.

 

Stasis is the worst story... 

They said themselves we woke up. Stasis is pretty much confirmed at this point.

[nfi42]

I think she is Camilla Luddington(Lara Croft) in Rise of Tomb Raider. Her gasp and "we made it" is so close to Lara's voice in Rise.

If she talks and grunts all the way through the game like Lara croft, I will he extremely disappointed.

[Han Shot First]

Still holding out that this is a generation ship... and that making it to Andromeda was almost a religion for these people.

And that her: "We made it." Was as much awe as it was disbelief that the impossible happened in her lifetime.

Stasis is the worst story...

Stasis is more in keeping with the lore of the game universe, because cryosleep pods are already a thing. The Normandy even had them.

Generation ships only make sense if the travelers don't have the ability to preserve the lives of the original crew for the entire journey. The arks being generation ships would be a technological regression for the Council species.

[Giant ambush beetle]

A generation ship is silly because the resources required to keep the people on board alive, sane and healthy is ridiculous compared to a cryo sleep based ship. 

[AlanC9]

I think that must be the case, otherwise (assuming prologue sequence) immersion will be shattered from the start.  Any fleet like that over Earth and Shep will know...because half the galaxy will know.

Wouldn't there be plenty of ships around Earth all the time, though?

[KotorEffect3]

Still holding out that this is a generation ship... and that making it to Andromeda was almost a religion for these people.

 

And that her:  "We made it."  Was as much awe as it was disbelief that the impossible happened in her lifetime.

 

Stasis is the worst story... 

The stasis route is the best route.  It keeps the Milky Way lore recent (at least as far as how it is perceived by the arc populations) and we get to combine that with the new Andromeda lore we will be getting.  Krogan won't trust Salarians and vica versa.

[IST]

She has a bi*ch voice tbh. Every girl I've ever known with that voice has been a catty, no-good, popularity queen. And I absolutely hated them.

 

I hope they have a variety of Ryder's in the future.

 

Jesus, she says 3 words nigh on under her breath and you have deducted from that she's a b****h?

 

Is this Bizzaro Jerry world?

[Sifr]

Stasis is more in keeping with the lore of the game universe, because cryosleep pods are already a thing. The Normandy even had them.

Generation ships only make sense if the travelers don't have the ability to preserve the lives of the original crew for the entire journey. The arms being generation ships would be a technological regression for the Council species.

 

The Cerberus Daily News from ME2 mention the Manswell Expedition using cryosleep for the colonists to make the trip to Alpha Centauri in the days before FTL was invented and upon rediscovery, some of the colonists were surprised to learn they had descendants.

 

This shows that stasis technology in the ME universe - even a century prior to First Contact - was developed enough to allow people to enter long-term hibernation safely. Doubtless the technology only improved in that century, especially once humanity had access to tech from the rest of the galaxy.

 

(As CDN and ANN articles from ME2 and ME3 often have characters or information show up in the games, I'm going to assume that they are canon. Although I don't know if we should count the articles that were obviously meant as April Fools... such as the MSV Kent picking up an escape pod carrying the infant sole survivor of DC1938 that exploded. The Manswell Expedition is one thing, Superman is another.)

[Deadmac]

If they want to keep this vaguely in the realm of science fiction as opposed to fantasy she will have been in cryo stasis for thousands of years traveling faster than the speed of light on autopilot so yeah waking up safe and sound in Andromeda is pretty unbelievable despite all we have seen so far.

 

Science-fiction cannot exist without the word 'fiction'. While science is an element of the genre, the logic behind science-fiction is to make you think beyond human limitations. In order to create a "Star Trek' inspired transporter, theorists believe you have to harness the sun's power. Theories are based upon an unproven hypothesis. Once a hypothesis is tested, the results will prove or disapprove a theory. 

 

Big Bang Theory has not been proven.

String Theory has not been proven.

 

Theory of Evolution has been tested and proven. Unless we find another possibility, such as human life beginning on another planet, the Theory of Evolution will continue to be the standing paradigm. Could the seeds of human evolution begin on another planet? Absolutely. However, its just speculation.

 

While watching 'Star Trek', 'Star Wars', and 'Stargate', people falsely believe 'what they are seeing is real'.

 

Science-fiction is a theoretical and creative exercise of 'out of the box' ideas.

 

If you think about things hypothetically, the materials required for space travel might not exist on Earth. Mars or Pluto may have the metals, which we need to build 'faster than light speed' technologies.

Its all hypothetical.

[Medhia_Nox]

The stasis route is the best route.  It keeps the Milky Way lore recent (at least as far as how it is perceived by the arc populations) and we get to combine that with the new Andromeda lore we will be getting.  Krogan won't trust Salarians and vica versa.

 

Precisely what will bore me - it's just an opinion, the story is already designed and I'll play it.

 

 

Stasis is more in keeping with the lore of the game universe, because cryosleep pods are already a thing. The Normandy even had them.

Generation ships only make sense if the travelers don't have the ability to preserve the lives of the original crew for the entire journey. The arms being generation ships would be a technological regression for the Council species.

 

Unless their space magic can stasis food and potable water... a stasis ship is a doomed vessel. 

 

There is no guarantee that they'll find planets... there's no guarantee they'll find resources.

 

Unsustainable ship... dead crew. 

Again, story is written... arguing is pointless.  I'm sure an AI or something is running giant farms on the ship because that's the easiest, most mindless way to tell the story.  Or, even better... won't even be mentioned because it's not going to get us into battles.

 

[AlanC9]

Unless their space magic can stasis food and potable water... a stasis ship is a doomed vessel. 
 
There is no guarantee that they'll find planets... there's no guarantee they'll find resources.
 
Unsustainable ship... dead crew. 

Huh? The premise of the entire mission is that they will find planets. And from what we've seen of the MW, the chance that they won't is pretty damn low.

[Medhia_Nox]

@AlanC9:  Of course they ARE going to find planets... but unless Biotics can foretell the future the characters boarding those ships wouldn't know what they are going to find after their 400 years trip. 

 

We're aware of how big space is right? 

While in game we will just enter Andromeda and find livable planets... if these were anything even remotely realistic... finding said planets would be a phenomenally risky task. 

 

A generation ship would be prepared for the task.

 

BUT - Bioware will solve this with the ship AI.  It will travel until life is detected so as to circumvent all that annoying science.

[Wheeljerk]

What speech? She said three words.

 

Speech - noun 

1. the faculty or power of speaking; oral communication; ability to express one's thoughts and emotions by speech sounds and gesture: Losing her speech made her feel isolated from humanity.

[Sifr]

 

Unless their space magic can stasis food and potable water... a stasis ship is a doomed vessel. 

 

There is no guarantee that they'll find planets... there's no guarantee they'll find resources.

 

Unsustainable ship... dead crew. 

Again, story is written... arguing is pointless.  I'm sure an AI or something is running giant farms on the ship because that's the easiest, most mindless way to tell the story.  Or, even better... won't even be mentioned because it's not going to get us into battles.

 

The Andromeda Galaxy has over a trillion stars, compared to the Milky Ways 100-400 billion. Even if we can only explore a single star cluster at FTL speeds, there's bound to be some planets that we'll run into with resources that we could potentially use, while Garden planets will be top priority to seek out and locate, allowing the ship to replenish food, water and find suitable colony sites.

 

At the end of the trailer, the protagonist is shown waking up alone. While this might have been artistic license once more, it could be that we were woken prematurely by the ship along with select others, to serve as advanced pathfinders intended to scout the area.

 

Meanwhile, the majority of the Ark inhabitants would remain in stasis, thus making the resource problems overall more manageable to deal with. Having only the small scouting teams awake and consuming rations (assuming they packed any), means that their first order of business is to find enough food and water for themselves, rather than force them to find enough to feed thousands of people before they starve to death.

[Wheeljerk]

Science-fiction cannot exist without the word 'fiction'. While science is an element of the genre, the logic behind science-fiction is to make you think beyond human limitations. In order to create a "Star Trek' inspired transporter, theorists believe you have to harness the sun's power. Theories are based upon an unproven hypothesis. Once a hypothesis is tested, the results will prove or disapprove a theory. 

 

Big Bang Theory has not been proven.

String Theory has not been proven.

 

Theory of Evolution has been tested and proven. Unless we find another possibility, such as human life beginning on another planet, the Theory of Evolution will continue to be the standing paradigm. Could the seeds of human evolution begin on another planet? Absolutely. However, its just speculation.

 

While watching 'Star Trek', 'Star Wars', and 'Stargate', people falsely believe 'what they are seeing is real'.

 

Science-fiction is a theoretical and creative exercise of 'out of the box' ideas.

 

If you think about things hypothetically, the materials required for space travel might not exist on Earth. Mars or Pluto may have the metals, which we need to build 'faster than light speed' technologies.

Its all hypothetical.

 

Star Trek and Stargate are science fiction, Star Wars is science fantasy.

[Medhia_Nox]

The Andromeda Galaxy has over a trillion stars, compared to the Milky Ways 100-400 billion. Even if we can only explore a single star cluster at FTL speeds, there's bound to be some planets that we'll run into with resources that we could potentially use, while Garden planets will be top priority to seek out and locate, allowing the ship to replenish food, water and find suitable colony sites.

 

At the end of the trailer, the protagonist is shown waking up alone. While this might have been artistic license once more, it could be that we were woken prematurely by the ship along with select others, to serve as advanced pathfinders intended to scout the area.

 

Meanwhile, the majority of the Ark inhabitants remain in stasis, making the resource issue more manageable to deal with, because only the small scouting teams would have to worry about food and water for themselves, rather than trying to find new supplies before thousands of people starve to death.

 

While I loathe the stasis concept... the rest of the Ark still in stasis is a very good leap of logic.  Thank you.  I hope this is how it is done.

 

Of course... that means no "Citadel" experience on the Ark. 

 

Did we build shops and restaurants on the Ark so we could not use them?

[Serza]

 

Speech - noun 

1. the faculty or power of speaking; oral communication; ability to express one's thoughts and emotions by speech sounds and gesture: Losing her speech made her feel isolated from humanity.

 

 

Excuse me while I search the deepest corners of my soul for laughter.

 

...searching...

 

...nope, just violence, death, suffering and bloodlust down there. Thank you for making me visit that place.

[Sifr]

While I loathe the stasis concept... the rest of the Ark still in stasis is a very good leap of logic.  Thank you.  I hope this is how it is done.

 

Of course... that means no "Citadel" experience on the Ark. 

 

Did we build shops and restaurants on the Ark so we could not use them?

 

We could still have a kind of Citadel experience, with more of the Ark opening up as we find enough resources to justify waking more of the crew from stasis... it's not like we are meant to keep them in stasis forever while we hog all the food we find?

 

And if we start out as one of many advanced scouting teams, perhaps the Ark serves as our initial hub where we go back to resupply, drop off our own gathered resources and interact with any other scouting teams?

 

Perhaps one of the conflicts could involve a faction rising up who don't want to wake up the others, so they can maintain their power and monopoly as the only players in town, rather than go back to being the small cogs in a big machine they were before?

[Medhia_Nox]

@Sifr:  I get what you're saying... but frontiersmen don't just open clubs and shops and Presidiums once they find a few resources.

 

1) Search planet.  Find resources.  (Months)

 

2) Acquire, refine and manufacture (Weeks)

 

3) Set up shop (Indefinite)

 

No, on a stasis ship... any shops will need to be on surface.  Transporting raw materials back to the Arks and then back down to the colonies would be painfully inefficient.

 

NOTE:  I'm going to play and enjoy the game.  Just curious how much of it I'll have to ignore.