I need spoilers too. No way am I getting suckered again.
Yes, spoilers will be required before I buy this game. It all will have to be irresistible (for my tastes) or forgetaboutit. I still remember "art" and the "frack you" that was the Refusal ending.
“I think in general, with all this sophistication of games or engaging in any kind of entertainment right now, [gamers are] looking for more of those shades of grey”
"I think now we’re moving away from that. We’ve been looking for other ways to engage more of those shades of grey; less about it being obviously being right or wrong and more about giving people a sense of choice.” - Mac Walters.
It should be noted that the article claims that Mac Walters does not dislike the morality system and he actually likes it, he simply just do not think it could operate within the framework of the future titles which is why they'll not be using it.
"I think now we’re moving away from that. We’ve been looking for other ways to engage more of those shades of grey; less about it being obviously being right or wrong and more about giving people a sense of choice.” - Mac Walters.
It should be noted that the article claims that Mac Walters does not dislike the morality system, he simply just do not think it could operate within the framework of the future titles which is why they'll not be using it.
It's very stranged. GameRant writes 'if Walters is to be believed' and Walters is like 'I don't think it will be used', like he doesn't know for sure. Did they speak to the right Mac Walters..?
Edit: got it, it's not the original source, this is: http://www.gamesrada...shades-of-grey/
It's very stranged. GameRant writes 'if Walters is to be believed' and Walters is like 'I don't think it will be used', like he doesn't know for sure. Did they speak to the right Mac Walters..?
Unfortunately, it is not uncommon in articles for the writer to interpretate and paraphrase quotes when they write their article. Sometimes this can change what a person said and why they said it. Not to mention that sometimes it is not even the author of the article who decides on the title of said article. It's why it is a good thing to look at the exact quote.
This happened with some media coverage of Dragon Age's Dorian Pavus who was cited by some articles including in the titles as being the first gay companion in a Bioware game which he was not. They also put the emphasis on his sexuality by citing a portion of an interview with David Gaider. Of the interview about Dorian's character, the part about his sexuality was the smallest. This caused some people to believe that not only had Bioware claimed Dorian was the first gay companion but also that Bioware was putting an emphasis on Dorian's sexuality over the rest of his character in the pre-release material.
Just another thing about Mass Effect that they are throwing away. 
And this more shades of grey thing probably means more "Morally ambiguous/grey/edgy/dark things are cool" like Bioware has started doing more and more. 
Just another thing about Mass Effect that they are throwing away.
And this more shades of grey thing probably means more "Morally ambiguous/grey/ dark things are cool" like Bioware has started doing more and more.
"Grimdork" 
Finally! Did they truly listen to the fans this time? I'll take shades of grey over good/bad duality anytime. But I don't know how that would look in the game. They better not screw that up.
Or simply Bioware's decreasing attention to detail within their lore which takes it from techy-talky to wishy-washy, from sci-fi-esque to fantasy-esque.
Just another thing about Mass Effect that they are throwing away.
And this more shades of grey thing probably means more "Morally ambiguous/grey/edgy/dark things are cool" like Bioware has started doing more and more.
Considered I was among the people in favor of ditching the morality meter, I'm happy about it.
I felt such fitted better in settings like the Star Wars universe where dark-side and light-side made sense within the setting and was an actual part of it because of the force. In Mass Effect, it always seemed like an out-of-universe kind of thing that did not make sense within the setting and wasn't actual a part of it.
Part of the problem, I think, was that they tied it too much to morality as oppose to reputation. If they made it more about how other races might percieve Shepard then I think it would made the meter more a part of the setting and have made sense. How well that would have worked would have been another, of course.
I imagine we will still have the option to do conversation interrupts, and the like. Those are great for RP. I wouldn't be surprised if we still have Paragon/Renegade in some form, since it's a bit "iconic", in the kinds of some. I certainly wouldn't miss it if it disappeared entirely, though. It really serves no purpose.
They should keep the paragon and renegade interrupts (even if they don't use them as a reputation marker) plus make another class interrupt (biotic interrupt for vanguards, biotics and sentinels, tech interrupt for engineers, sentinels and infiltrators, surprise attack for soldiers, vanguards and infiltrators).
I wouldn't be surprised if we still have Paragon/Renegade in some form, since it's a bit "iconic", in the kinds of some. I certainly wouldn't miss it if it disappeared entirely, though. It really serves no purpose.
Any morality should be left to NPC dialogues really, to state whether they approve your actions (inactions) or not. And it shouldn't be one-sided. I loved how in ME1 Gianna Parasini basically calls you a moron for not being able to persuade Lorik Qui'in.
This is great news for me. I never liked the P/R system. It only detracted from the game's moral complexity, ended being a Light/Dark Side meter in all but name, and Bioware ended up having a different definition of what ''renegade'' was every game.
I'm hoping interrupts stay however. Those are fun.
They should keep the paragon and renegade interrupts (even if they don't use them as a reputation marker) plus make another class interrupt (biotic interrupt for vanguards, biotics and sentinels, tech interrupt for engineers, sentinels and infiltrators, surprise attack for soldiers, vanguards and infiltrators).
What about verbal interrupts?
I'm hoping interrupts stay however. Those are fun.
I just hope that if interupts stay that they'll be silent this time around because the sound kind of detracted and distracted from the atmosphere of certain scenes especially the scenes that are quite and calm.
Eh, if there's something about ME that I'd happy leave behind and not have it in Andromeda, it'd be the P/R system.Just another thing about Mass Effect that they are throwing away.
And this more shades of grey thing probably means more "Morally ambiguous/grey/edgy/dark things are cool" like Bioware has started doing more and more.
I just hope that if interupts stay that they'll be silent this time around because the sound kind of detracted and distracted from the atmosphere of certain scenes especially the scenes that are quite and calm.
And interrupts need to be clear. Instead of flashing symbol they need to think of some other visual cue/window for action that you can hold a button to pause/slow down time and pick an action from the list. When you take the Renegade Interrupt against Kai Leng on the Cerberus Base, Shepard kills him with omni-blade...even if your class is biotic and you never really used omni-blade so there's that. Mass Effect team needs to reimagine interrupts.
They should keep the paragon and renegade interrupts (even if they don't use them as a reputation marker) plus make another class interrupt (biotic interrupt for vanguards, biotics and sentinels, tech interrupt for engineers, sentinels and infiltrators, surprise attack for soldiers, vanguards and infiltrators).
From what I've heard, they experimented a bit with this in the Omega DLC but it was limited to engineers? Still, it might be a start.
Note: I've never played the Omega DLC.
Well, ME3 already did it though. Blue/Red points were nothing but bar representation of many choices you've made of each kind, the singular Reputation was the only variable blocking certian conversation options
Well, ME3 already did it though. Blue/Red points were nothing but bar representation of many choices you've made of each kind, the singular Reputation was the only variable blocking certian conversation options
I'm one of the few people don't want Paragon/Renegade to leave. Altough, I would like the outcomes of P/R were more balanced: I like in ME3 if Rana Thanoptis (from ME1 Saren's breeding facility) was alive, she was indoctrinated and kills people (a Paragon choice went wrong). Also, I like if you rewrite the Geth in ME2 in ME3 bites you in the ass. But, most of the time being Paragon will get the best outcome. The unbalance is what it makes things bad IMO.
Well, ME3 already did it though. Blue/Red points were nothing but bar representation of many choices you've made of each kind, the singular Reputation was the only variable blocking certian conversation options
But reputation shouldn't be a bar and it doesn't quite make sense. Shepard already has a reputation for his actions. I mean, why would TIM and quarian admirals care that you made Liara talk to her dad (+2 reputation or something)?
I think Rana might be the only time it really hurts you. If I stay true to my Paragon ways, I eventually unite those Geth and Quarians, and all those extra Geth are helpful, after all.I'm one of the few people don't want Paragon/Renegade to leave. Altough, I would like the outcomes of P/R were more balanced: I like in ME3 if Rana Thanoptis (from ME1 Saren's breeding facility) was alive, she was indoctrinated and kills people (a Paragon choice went wrong). Also, I like if you rewrite the Geth in ME2 in ME3 bites you in the ass. But, most of the time being Paragon will get the best outcome. The unbalance is what it makes things bad IMO.
I'm one of the few people don't want Paragon/Renegade to leave. Altough, I would like the outcomes of P/R were more balanced: I like in ME3 if Rana Thanoptis (from ME1 Saren's breeding facility) was alive, she was indoctrinated and kills people (a Paragon choice went wrong). Also, I like if you rewrite the Geth in ME2 in ME3 bites you in the ass. But, most of the time being Paragon will get the best outcome. The unbalance is what it makes things bad IMO.
It wasn't just unbalanced. P/R system was also inconsistent. In ME1 and 2 if you're Renegade, for some reason you're a jerk to everybody and a xenophobe pro-human. In ME3 you're a monster that betrays his allies. If you're a Paragon then you're cliche hero-type but also naive as hell. If they would strictly determine that Paragon = Idealist and Renegade = Pragmatist then it would be better. No need to be a jerk to everybody and no need to suck up to authority figures.
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