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[The Elder King]

It's just the leak - there are a kind of quasi playable war table like missions that have in game rewards you can do that are MP only effectively.

I recall those. I'd be fine with that level of connection.

[MrMrPendragon]

Would you prefer "The Shepherd"? 

 

No. That sounds New Zealand-y.

[Gwydden]

I think there are good chances that it'll involve retcons, but it's not sure. I'll wait and judge after we'll know more.

I think it depends on what you consider a retcon. None of the people you meet in the prologue of DA2 were in Lothering when the Warden passed by the area in DAO. Does that mean Hawke and company were "retconned" into existence just because they didn't appear in the game? This is the same idea, although on a larger scale. Just because we never heard of an ark project it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[The Elder King]

I think it depends in what you consider a retcon. None of the people you meet in the prologue of DA2 were in Lothering when the Warden passed by the area in DAO. Does that mean Hawke and company were "retconned" into existence just because they didn't appear in the game? This is the same idea, although on a larger scale. Just because we never heard of an ark project it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I wouldn't consider that a retcon, no. It's more about the project and the technology involved that might or might not cause retcons, for me at least. The fact that we didn't know about the project isn't a problem for me.

[Reznore57]

I think it depends in what you consider a retcon. None of the people you meet in the prologue of DA2 were in Lothering when the Warden passed by the area in DAO. Does that mean Hawke and company were "retconned" into existence just because they didn't appear in the game? This is the same idea, although on a larger scale. Just because we never heard of an ark project it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

The funny thing is ...you can easily imagine you met Hawke in DAO.

In Lothering there's a peasant man in front of the local tavern you can talk with.He looks like the default male Hawke and has the same voice actor.

And you can also meet at Ostaggar a female soldier with female Hawke voice.

[Gwydden]

I wouldn't consider that a retcon, no. It's more about the project and the technology involved that might or might not cause retcons, for me at least. The fact that we didn't know about the project isn't a problem for me.

Well, you would really only need two things to make the journey to Andromeda feasible:

• Some way to preserve the travelers during the long journey. We discovered very effective cryo-sleep as early as Ilos in ME1, and again in Eden Prime during ME3. This machinery is able to last more than 50,000 years, far more than it's necessary for even a slow trip to Andromeda. No retcon here.
• Being able to use FTL without having to worry about the issues with discharge. It is explicitly mentioned in the ME codex that Reapers don't seem to discharge their drives, so you would only have to reverse-engineer their technology. As I said above, Sovereign's corpse was available from the end of ME1 and was still around two years later in ME2. There are other pieces of Reaper technology scattered throughout the galaxy and even other dead Reapers, like the one we encounter in ME2. Plus, there's the collectors, as the Black Ark theory mentions. Heck, it wouldn't even have to be Reaper technology. The protheans could have developed a more effective form of FTL and let the asari know in their archive. Other precursor species could have also had similar technology, and the Milky Way is littered with the ruins of their civilizations. Possibilities are endless.

[Element Zero]

I think they dumped that accumulated discharge or waste into the atmospheres of gas planets to reduce the 'space debris' that would gt in the way of interplanetary travel.
 
If they're traversing dark space for the majority of the journey between galaxies, perhaps they felt at liberty to discharge out in dark space.

You can't discharge in open space. You must either be in contact with a surface, or discharge into the magnetic field of a large planet. "Discharging" in intergalactic space will be impossible.

I'm wondering if they will have to take along some massive, multicellular sinks that cast off charged cells throughout the journey. It would be a huge amount of mass to haul along for "little gain", but maybe it's the cost of business, much like escaping Earth's gravity in real life.

[The Elder King]

 

Well, you would really only need two things to make the journey to Andromeda feasible:

• Some way to preserve the travelers during the long journey. We discovered very effective cryo-sleep as early as Ilos in ME1, and again in Eden Prime during ME3. This machinery is able to last more than 50,000, far more than it's necessary for even a slow trip to Andromeda. No retcon here.
• Being able to use FTL without having to worry about the issues with discharge. It is explicitly mentioned in the ME codex that Reapers don't seem to discharge their drives, so you would only have to reverse-engineer their technology. As I said above, Sovereign's corpse was available from the end of ME1 and was still around two years later in ME2. There are other pieces of Reaper technology scattered throughout the galaxy and even other dead Reapers, like the one we encounter in ME2. Plus, there's the collectors, as the Black Ark theory mentions. Heck, it wouldn't even have to be Reaper technology. The protheans could have developed a more effective form of FTL and let the asari know in their archive. Other precursor species could have also had similar technology, and the Milky Way is littered with the ruins of their civilizations. Possibilities are endless.

 

To be clear, I think it's possible to make the Andromeda voyage starting before ME3 enings works within the lore. It's just that I prefer to be cautious, since it wouldn't be the first retcon for the ME universe. Hopefully Bioware designed all this without breaking the lore.

[Armass81]

To be clear, I think it's possible to make the Andromeda voyage starting before ME3 enings works within the lore. It's just that I prefer to be cautious, since it wouldn't be the first retcon for the ME universe. Hopefully Bioware designed all this without breaking the lore.

yeah.... I think that ship has sailed.

[malloc]

From the YouTube Gaming interview

 

• The dialogue wheel will be pretty much the same, but instead of clear black and white choices (paragon/renegade) there will be more 'grey' options
• 'There is more than one Ryder. There is a Ryder family, we're going to tie that in to the story.' (This wil start in character customization, which will be quite different.)
• There will be some, but not much references to the old games, instead the whole point of Andromeda is creating room 'to look forward'

 

These three can be great if they are implemented properly.

[Xen]

Hey, that's some real nice BS there, buddy. But speed=/=power in a space battle or a naval battle. Advanced weapons are actually needed. A really maneuverable ship does not come preloaded with the best weapons just because it's nimble, and a spaceship with a Reaper FTL drive does not come preloaded with Reaper-buster missiles just because it's as fast as a Reaper. 

 

Your argument is stupid. Give it a rest.

What are you talking about? The MW civilizations clearly have weapons that can harm Reapers, evidenced by killing several of them over the series. The idea that they wouldn't sieze every potential means of attaining military parity is even more stupid when you consider that's precisely what they did with Thanix weaponry. The concept is called an arms race, and rational actors tend to engage in such behaviour to survive, in lieu of attempting to go to live on Mars because they might lose.

 

Of course, I'll admit ME's ruling actors are not rational, so idiocy like devoting vast amounts of the GDP, population, infrastructure and brain trust to exploring while there's an imminent war isn't so out of the question (especially now that the new plot requires it). That doesn't make it less rock ****** stupid.

 

It's not dumb at all if you think a conventional military victory is impossible. You're putting your best propulsion device on your real plan to survive the Reapers - the equivalent of Plan B in Interstellar.

Before ME3, the Council species (or their leaders, rather) had no knowledge of overwhelming Reaper numerical advantage apart from Sovereign's vague Bond villain bloviating about darkening skies or whatever. Such rampant defeatism wouldn't be reasonable based on the Battle of the Citadel alone (which they had won), especially given technological advantage attained from reverse engineering it.

 

Aside from that, there's no evidence at all that they were preparing for the Reapers anyway, evidenced by everyone getting blindsided when they show up. While the stupidity of exclusively devoting massive resources and strategic game changing tech to a hitherto unknown Scrooge McDuck-esque clandestine Ark project, instead of production of advanced warships, is somewhat less than that of all out "ah yes, Reapers"ignorance, it's still stupidity by non Idiot Plot standards.

 

It's probably the best we'll get, though.

[The Elder King]

yeah.... I think that ship has sailed.

Because you think there's no way that this will work without breaking the lore, while I think it can still work.. Unless it's not about the voyage starting before the endings but because you don't think Bioware can write if off without retcons, in this case fair enough. 

[Reznore57]

Before ME3, the Council species (or their leaders, rather) had no knowledge of overwhelming Reaper numerical advantage apart from Sovereign's vague Bond villain bloviating about darkening skies or whatever. Such rampant defeatism wouldn't be reasonable based on the Battle of the Citadel alone (which they had won).

 

Aside from that, there's no evidence at all that they were preparing for the Reapers anyway, evidenced by everyone getting blindsided when they show up. While the stupidity of exclusively devoting strategic game changing tech to a hitherto unknown clandestine Ark project is somewhat less than that of all out "ah yes, Reapers"ignorance, it's still stupidity by non Idiot Plot standards.

 

It's probably the best we'll get, though.

 

Cerberus knew about the Reapers no?

I haven't followed everything from MEA but it's possible the Ark project wasn't funded by different governments but by a number of wealthy people who were into some apocalypse incoming theory.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

These three can be great if they are implemented properly.

Literally anything can be great if it's implemented properly.

[Daemul]

Jesus, If the entire plot of this game turns out to revolve around family drama then I swear to god.....

[PrinceofTime]

Ughh a family dynamic once again, it was lame in DA2 and will probably be lame now. If our sibling is a squad mate hopefully theY wont disappear for the majority of the ****** game.

[malloc]

Literally anything can be great if it's implemented properly.

Of course, but in relation to building an immersive rpg, some ideas have more potential than others.

[Xen]

Cerberus knew about the Reapers no?

I haven't followed everything from MEA but it's possible the Ark project wasn't funded by different governments but by a number of wealthy people who were into some apocalypse incoming theory.

We dont need more magical "secret organizations" with the infrastructure and capital to build and maintain massive projects that only multi planet nation states with populations in the billions are supposedly capable of (see ME3 Cerberus). Ideally, we're trying to avoid setting destroying asspulls like TIM and his Omnipotent Galactic Empire.

[Killroy]

What are you talking about? The MW civilizations clearly have weapons that can harm Reapers, evidenced by killing several of them over the series. The idea that they wouldn't sieze every potential means of attaining military parity is even more stupid when you consider that's precisely what they did with Thanix weaponry. The concept is called an arms race, and rational actors tend to engage in such behaviour to survive, in lieu of attempting to go to live on Mars because they might lose.

 

Of course, I'll admit ME's ruling actors are not rational, so idiocy like devoting vast amounts of the GDP, population, infrastructure and brain trust to exploring while there's an imminent war isn't so out of the question (especially now that the new plot requires it). That doesn't make it less rock ****** stupid.

 

Have you even played the games?

Sovereign was so impervious to an all-out assault by dozens, if not hundreds of war vessels that it decided to ignore them and focus on it's mission. The only reason Sovereign was destroyed was because of space magic(Sovereign-Saren is junked, now we can kill Sovereign!) that had nothing to do with advanced ship weaponry. 

Two small Reaper vessels were destroyed in ME3 by a giant sandworm, and a combination of the biggest orbital bombardment in history by an entire fleet and a Reaper deciding to shoot a lazer at a running man instead of trying to save it's own skin. Those were the little ones, not full-fledged Reapers.

And that's it. Thannix weaponry didn't make up the difference. Stealth tech didn't make up the difference. And Reaper FTL drives wouldn't make up the difference. The only advantage a Reaper FTL drive offers is a faster method of escape. Stop being willfully obtuse. You've lost the argument. 

[ZipZap2000]

So my sibling theory was right all along.



Muahahahahaha.



Bow before the Krogan Prophet

[Alex_Dur4and]

Of all the threads, this one is smart, positive and informative. Thank you so much!

[Killroy]

So my sibling theory was right all along.



Muahahahahaha.



Bow before the Krogan Prophet

 

How could anyone have formulated such a theory when the only evidence was a photo of two children sitting on their mother's lap? Truly you are magical.

[ZipZap2000]

How could anyone have formulated such a theory when the only evidence was a photo of two children sitting on their mother's lap? Truly you are magical.

I knew you'd show up butthurt. You argued against it. Bow welp. Bow and admit I was right.

*points finger*

And you were wrong.

[Killroy]

I knew you'd show up butthurt. You argued against it. Bow welp. Bow and admit I was right.

*points finger*

And you were wrong.

 

No I didn't. I had that theory the minute I saw that photo in the teaser. I argued for it, ya clod. I even edited the still of it to point out the siblings and the mother.

[Xen]

Have you even played the games?

Sovereign was so impervious to an all-out assault by dozens, if not hundreds of war vessels that it decided to ignore them and focus on it's mission. The only reason Sovereign was destroyed was because of space magic(Sovereign-Saren is junked, now we can kill Sovereign!) that had nothing to do with advanced ship weaponry. 

Two small Reaper vessels were destroyed in ME3 by a giant sandworm, and a combination of the biggest orbital bombardment in history by an entire fleet and a Reaper deciding to shoot a lazer at a running man instead of trying to save it's own skin. Those were the little ones, not full-fledged Reapers.

And that's it. Thannix weaponry didn't make up the difference. Stealth tech didn't make up the difference. And Reaper FTL drives wouldn't make up the difference. The only advantage a Reaper FTL drive offers is a faster method of escape. Stop being willfully obtuse. You've lost the argument. 

Battle of Palaven section of Reaper War codex specifically mentions several Reaper capital ships being destroyed by the turians using conventional naval/space combat weapons and tactics, but you failed to mention that for reasons I imagine have nothing to do with destroying your argument, no? Guess that also goes for Reaper dreadnoughts clearly taking damage from allied forces in the Battle for Earth cinematics.

 

Willfully obtuse describes pretty much every salty shitpost you make bub. You don't win an argument simply by declaring it so.