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[Stakrin]

The Asari withheld information so that they could stay on top and be this cycle's most powerful species-but if they had ever given it up, reapers may not have done much damage.

So, in your opinion, should people in andromeda know?


In andromeda, the queens have been dethroned, everyone is new and on equal footing. Now that we are all equal, should people be mad/racist towards them, or should they still be the icon of unity?

[SNascimento]

Probably not, as the Ark left before that information became known.

But it would be interesting if the races have a distrust for them because we have limited numbers in Andromeda, and since every Asari offspring in another Asari, they might be seen as a liability. 

[BioWareM0d13]

Humans committed the biggest acts of betrayal in the series actually.

ME3 Cerberus, Udina, the Citadel coup, ect.

[Grieving Natashina]

That would be pretty cool, and if my theory about leaving right around the Fall of Thessia holds any weight, that could be a possiblity.

It doesn't matter if many of those pedestals were torn down and most of the races are dependant upon each other. Mortal nature still exists and there are those that will think they are superior. Also, nothing stops a race from wanting the most power, resources and influence. I think tensions will be better, but I don't expect anything resembling that close to a Utopia.

Besides, depending upon when the crew wakes up from cryostasis, nothing like that sort of progress could take place. Think about Javik: For him, 50,000 years felt like a few minutes. If the crew of the Ark(s) wakes up when they get to Andromeda, it'll feel like a few minutes since they went to sleep. So a lot of the old grudges and resentments are likely still there. If anything, now that the Reapers are no longer a threat, it could be much worse.

[Malanek]

Humans committed the biggest acts of betrayal in the series actually.

ME3 Cerberus, Udina, the Citadel coup, ect.

This was at least not the central human government.

[Xen]

There should be rampant racism towards them. The quarians are gone now, and we need a new scapegoat. Asari are perfect. Shifty, manipulative, and with a creepy expansionist reproductive strategy. That a lot of them are super bitchy, and that their govt.'s obstructionism was directly responsible for trashing the last galaxy we had is just icing on the **** cake. Everyone should hate them.

[capn233]

Shifty, manipulative, and with a creepy expansionist reproductive strategy.

 

This problem is quite insidious, and really wasn't explored very thoroughly.  Seems like it might even be more acute for the colonists in Andromeda, depending on how many Asari they send.

 

Too bad we never got to see any STG models on the subject.

[The Dystopian Hound]

The Asari withheld information so that they could stay on top and be this cycle's most powerful species-but if they had ever given it up, reapers may not have done much damage.

So, in your opinion, should people in andromeda know?


In andromeda, the queens have been dethroned, everyone is new and on equal footing. Now that we are all equal, should people be mad/racist towards them, or should they still be the icon of unity?

Traitors? The **** is the point? You know what....**** all that.

[The Dystopian Hound]

Humans committed the biggest acts of betrayal in the series actually.

ME3 Cerberus, Udina, the Citadel coup, ect.

and all humans should be treated like scum? I think not. I agree. The Asari did not betray and even if humanity has done shady things too we shouldn't be treated like scum as a whole.

[The Dystopian Hound]

There should be rampant racism towards them. The quarians are gone now, and we need a new scapegoat. Asari are perfect. Shifty, manipulative, and with a creepy expansionist reproductive strategy. That a lot of them are super bitchy, and that their govt.'s obstructionism was directly responsible for trashing the last galaxy we had is just icing on the **** cake. Everyone should hate them.

LOL this is hilarious.

[BioWareM0d13]

This was at least not the central human government.

Udina was the senior human politician, and both the Citadel coup and Kai Leng's crucible sabotaging shenanigans nearly hand victory to the Reapers and cause the mass extinction of every space faring species. There's not a comparable act if betrayal in the entire series.

The Asari not sharing technology isn't even truly a betrayal. That's just hyperbole. Illegal according to the lore, and an example of selfish realpolitik, but it's not betrayal.

[Panda]

Apparently there has been hundreds of years between ME3 and ME:A from what I have understood. I guess it's possibility that some would be holding grudges against others, but nobody was really innocent. Salarians wanted to sabotage cure for genophage, Turians hid bomb in Tuchanka- Asari withholding some information wasn't surprising at all to me.

[The Dystopian Hound]

Apparently there has been hundreds of years between ME3 and ME:A from what I have understood. I guess it's possibility that some would be holding grudges against others, but nobody was really innocent. Salarians wanted to sabotage cure for genophage, Turians hid bomb in Tuchanka- Asari withholding some information wasn't surprising at all to me.

Yeah it's hundreds of years. It takes that long to get to Andromeda.

[Xen]

This problem is quite insidious, and really wasn't explored very thoroughly.  Seems like it might even be more acute for the colonists in Andromeda, depending on how many Asari they send.

 

Too bad we never got to see any STG models on the subject.

 

I wanna be able to build a YUUUGGE wall to keep those asari and their blue anchor babies out, and the asari are gonna pay for it.

 

Make Andromeda Great Again.

[The Dystopian Hound]

I wanna be able to build a YUUUGGE wall to keep those asari and their blue anchor babies out.

Make Andromeda Great Again.

thats getting pretty annoying.

[Element Zero]

This problem is quite insidious, and really wasn't explored very thoroughly.  Seems like it might even be more acute for the colonists in Andromeda, depending on how many Asari they send.
 
Too bad we never got to see any STG models on the subject.

This is definitely something for which the Salarans would have models and ongoing observation and studies.

I never got the impression the Asari were interested in replacing the other species through breeding. The Asari species that we got to know through the trilogy really did seem to value cooperation. Sure they did what they felt they needed to do to protect their own interests and give themselves a slight edge. They never seemed to abuse their position, though. They always seemed to act with wisdom, discernment and balance in their dealings.

[General TSAR]

Almost all the races/important representatives of the races have either betrayed the council and/or committed a huge transgression.

 

No one's hands are clean in the Milky Way.

 

Except maybe the Elcor.

[TheJediSaint]

Almost all the races/important representatives of the races have either betrayed the council and/or committed a huge transgression.

 

No one's hands are clean in the Milky Way.

 

Except maybe the Elcor.

Not with the way the walk on their hands, they don't.

[BioWareM0d13]

and all humans should be treated like scum? I think not.

Where did I say that?

The point is that it wouldn't make sense for other species to sanction the Asari when they weren't the Fifth Column. Humanity was. If there is going to be finger pointing and blame games in the post war, humanity should be at the top of that list.

That said, I think it makes much more sense for everyone to just move on since all sides lose billions, and they benefit more by cooperating than devolving into a bunch of screeching, feces throwing apes. After WW2 (Godwin!) no one was demanding that Britain or France pay reparations for being unwilling to confront Hitler over Czechoslovakia or Austria, and not many outside Poland were keen to dwell on the fact that Stalin had been Hitler's ally in the invasion of Poland. After WW1 the Allies heaped all blame for the war on the defeated Central Powers, even though France and Russia had been just as much to blame as Germany or Austria-Hungary.

Tl;dr: It's more plausible that the Council factions would seek to cooperate rather than squabble over past missteps, particularly when there will probably be new threats on the horizon aimed at preventing the Milky Way species from getting a toehold on Andromeda.

[Alex_Dur4and]

The Asari withheld information so that they could stay on top and be this cycle's most powerful species-but if they had ever given it up, reapers may not have done much damage.
So, in your opinion, should people in andromeda know?
In andromeda, the queens have been dethroned, everyone is new and on equal footing. Now that we are all equal, should people be mad/racist towards them, or should they still be the icon of unity?

The Krogans want to rule the galaxy by brute force
The Salarians want to manipulate everyone to do their bidding
The Asari withheld a technological edge
The humans are backstabbing power hungry bullies
The Batarians are terrorists
The Quarians attempted genocide on their slave labour
The Geth sold their "soul" to the reapers
The Turians are control freaks that will kill any that don't obey

Choose your poison...

[General TSAR]

Not with the way the walk on their hands, they don't.

Touche.

[EpicNewb]

I tihnk Humans, Krogan, and Turians will start off as the most respected races.

[Malanek]

Udina was the senior human politician, and both the Citadel coup and Kai Leng's crucible sabotaging shenanigans nearly hand victory to the Reapers and cause the mass extinction of every space faring species. There's not a comparable act if betrayal in the entire series.

The Asari not sharing technology isn't even truly a betrayal. That's just hyperbole. Illegal according to the lore, and an example of selfish realpolitik, but it's not betrayal.

He was a sleeper agent within the Human government who was betraying that government. What the Asari did was a high level decision to keep a secret and then form new laws to outlaw exactly what they were doing. It certainly wasn't every Asari, but it was a decision made by the leaders of their people.

[kalikilic]

The Asari withheld information so that they could stay on top and be this cycle's most powerful species-but if they had ever given it up, reapers may not have done much damage.

So, in your opinion, should people in andromeda know?


In andromeda, the queens have been dethroned, everyone is new and on equal footing. Now that we are all equal, should people be mad/racist towards them, or should they still be the icon of unity?

no local on andromeda will know anything about any one of the races coming through. what knowledge is granted to the locals by the immigrating races may very well be thwarted and manipulated by one group for their own interest.

[Element Zero]

None of this matters, anyway.

First, odds are the Arks depart before all this dirty laundry gets aired. Secondly, it's pretty stupid to turn on your fellow colonists once you arrive in the great unknown. The Milky Way species will be much more alike, culturally, than not, when juxtaposed against Andromeda's inhabitants.

"We", meaning the MW species, have to stick together. The screening process for this mission would likely weed out undesirables like "racists".