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[SNascimento]

Tactically the Asari actually did better than the Alliance, and managed to more fiercely resist invasion than every other faction that wasn't the Turians. They won space battles against the Reapers before Thessia fell, while the Alliance went from one disastrous defeat to the next until Priority: Earth the sequel. If not for the Crucible plans bring found on Mars, the Alliance's record in the war would be awful.

Really can't compare.

Humans and Turians dealt with the majority of Reaper forces. The Asari were secundary targets, as seen in the fact Earth and Palaven were hit at the very beginning of the war, while Thessia only at very late stages.

 

[yolobastien6412]

All I hope is that this game doesn't ruin Asari for me... again

[KotorEffect3]

I doubt the general population of the Milky Way knew that the Asari withheld info why would the people on the Arks know?  Besides it now appears that the arks did leave before the Reapers arrived.

[BioWareM0d13]

Really can't compare.
Humans and Turians dealt with the majority of Reaper forces. The Asari were secundary targets, as seen in the fact Earth and Palaven were hit at the very beginning of the war, while Thessia only at very late stages.

Thessia is the most ecomically important home planet in the Milky Way Galaxy. It was far more strategically important than Earth, which in comparison was no more than a galactic backwater. The Reapers striking Thessia after Earth or Palaven doesn't necessarily mean it was a secondary objective. Godwin ahead...

Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union after it had invaded Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway, and France, and had annexed Austria and the Sudetenland. Military expansion in Russia however, was the primary strategic goal for Nazi Germany.

There is also no indication that the Asari faced less Reapers than the Alliance did.

It is true that the Reapers achieved greater strategic surprise when attacking Earth compared to Thessua, but then that was also an embarrassing Alliance military and intelligence failure. The Batarians, much of the Terminus and Illium were struck first, so there is really no excuse for humanity being caught with its pants down. Illium also held out longer than Earth, despite bring hit first and being an independent entity not supported by the Asari Republics or other Council forces.

The Alliance really needed the Crucible and the final battle to redeem their military record, because prior to the final battle it had been abyssmal, and much less impressive than that of two of its Council partners (Turians & Asari). Only the Salarians were worse, in that they seem to have bizarrely sat the whole thing out until the final campaign.

[Serza]

unwilling to confront Hitler over Czechoslovakia

 

"About us without us" still makes me salty...

 

Thessia is the most ecomically important home planet in the Milky Way Galaxy. It was far more strategically important than Earth, which in comparison was no more than a galactic backwater. The Reapers striking Thessia after Earth or Palaven doesn't necessarily mean it was a secondary objective. Godwin ahead...

Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union after it had invaded Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway, and France, and had annexed Austria and the Sudetenland. Military expansion in Russia however, was the primary strategic goal for Nazi Germany.

There is also no indication that the Asari faced less Reapers than the Alliance did.

It is true that the Reapers achieved greater strategic surprise when attacking Earth compared to Thessua, but then that was also an embarrassing Alliance military and intelligence failure. The Batarians, much of the Terminus and Illium were struck first, so there is really no excuse for humanity being caught with its pants down. Illium also held out longer than Earth, despite bring hit first and being an independent entity not supported by the Asari Republics or other Council forces.

The Alliance really needed the Crucible and the final battle to redeem their military record, because prior to the final battle it had been abyssmal, and much less impressive than that of two of its Council partners (Turians & Asari). Only the Salarians were worse, in that they seem to have bizarrely sat the whole thing out until the final campaign.

 

Sudetenland? Try Czechoslovakia. Or at least Protektoratt Böhmen und Mähren.

 

It is true that Earth fell rapidly. At the same time, however, it never trully fell, and guerilla fighting ensued until Priority: Earth.

[DarthLaxian]

Humans committed the biggest acts of betrayal in the series actually.

ME3 Cerberus, Udina, the Citadel coup, ect.

 

Hold it!

 

FIRST CONTACT WAR - enough said (sorry, but that UNPROVOKED ATTACK is what probably jump-started Cerberus)...I mean the Turians would have made us a damned client race (probably!) if we'd lost that damned war (thankfully: we didn't!), just because they are trigger-happy militarist nut-jobs (as much as I like Garrus, but his race is damned mentally inflexible...shows in their fighting strategies, too!)

 

greetings LAX

ps: I'd love it if people knew (that way I could probably KNOCK SOME HEADS stopping the blame (as if the Asari who are along for the ride - mostly maidens and some matrons (masters in their fields) and very very few matriarchs (the only ones who could possibly be blamed for the secrecy and I think that even most of them didn't know about that beacon - it was after all considered a government secret)))...might make the high and mighty Asari (who've already shown that they can be - easily - beaten, despite being the most advanced race of that cycle (debatable...they are just the most influencial IMHO, as their ships etc. seem no better than standart Alliance/Turian etc. stuff)) a little more humble, too

[Twilight_Princess]

Probably not, as the Ark left before that information became known.

But it would be interesting if the races have a distrust for them because we have limited numbers in Andromeda, and since every Asari offspring in another Asari, they might be seen as a liability. 

 

I mentioned this point in another thread. The asari never really had any real stigma attached to them, everyone else seemed to have gripes with other alien races for different reasons. Whether they were unfounded opinions or not this was realistic. I'd be surprised if there aren't any Earth first groups (and other alien equivalents) on the ARK bringing up this advantage the asari have and banging on about their numbers.

 

They a very diplomatic species this is true but I always thought it was odd there wasn't more distrustful attitudes towards them or accusations of their race having too much control over others.The mental abilities plus being so advanced and in so many positions of power would realistically cause some suspicion. There was one funny bar conversation that brought up the question of the extent of their mind manipulation but that was about it;

 

Human: Wait..you don't think they're like, mind-controlling us to see them as attractive, do you?

 

This was humorous but you'd think they'd be bigger concerns than this. Can they change memories? Can they control other people? We as the player know they can't but the average ill-informed alien or human? You bet there would be some suspicion and fear about what they can do to others. So I think they should explore that fear a bit more.

 

As for the topic itself I doubt it will be brought up again since this game is trying to move on but I still think there needs to be some new conflict involving them. The asari need to butt heads with other aliens for once, we can assume that after this trip to Andromeda they aren't going to be the top dog council race any more. So maybe they might have a problem with that? And maybe some other races don't want things to go back to how they were (determining who are the "lesser species" are, the council ignoring human issues etc).

[Cz-99]

If we don't get the option to send any Asari on board out the airlock, I'm cancelling my pre-order.

[LisuPL]

Humans committed the biggest acts of betrayal in the series actually.

ME3 Cerberus, Udina, the Citadel coup, ect.

Yeah, its just humans doing "human" stuff, I guess...

[Dani86]

Humans were superior to Asari in The Reaper War.

 

Despite being seen as the galaxy's diplomatic powerhouses, it was Human leadership and not Asari that began uniting the races together against the Reapers.

 

Asari delayed their aid.

 

Turians pitched an alliance idea immediately.  Krogans were 2nd to come aboard.

 

I disagree. It was one person (who happens to be human) who brought the races together. That's why Shep is so kick-ass. The rest of humanity (with the exception of a handful) did nothing until the reapers landed and started killing everyone on Earth.  

[Dani86]

Thessia is the most ecomically important home planet in the Milky Way Galaxy. It was far more strategically important than Earth, which in comparison was no more than a galactic backwater. The Reapers striking Thessia after Earth or Palaven doesn't necessarily mean it was a secondary objective. Godwin ahead...

Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union after it had invaded Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway, and France, and had annexed Austria and the Sudetenland. Military expansion in Russia however, was the primary strategic goal for Nazi Germany.

There is also no indication that the Asari faced less Reapers than the Alliance did.

It is true that the Reapers achieved greater strategic surprise when attacking Earth compared to Thessua, but then that was also an embarrassing Alliance military and intelligence failure. The Batarians, much of the Terminus and Illium were struck first, so there is really no excuse for humanity being caught with its pants down. Illium also held out longer than Earth, despite bring hit first and being an independent entity not supported by the Asari Republics or other Council forces.

The Alliance really needed the Crucible and the final battle to redeem their military record, because prior to the final battle it had been abyssmal, and much less impressive than that of two of its Council partners (Turians & Asari). Only the Salarians were worse, in that they seem to have bizarrely sat the whole thing out until the final campaign.

 

I think you are spot on. The reapers were actually afraid of the asari, I think, because they are almost all natural biotics. They are all armed even without weapons. The codex says as much. Also, the reapers attacked Earth first because it was closest to where they entered from dark space (through the Batarian system).

[KaiserShep]

Thessia is the most ecomically important home planet in the Milky Way Galaxy. It was far more strategically important than Earth, which in comparison was no more than a galactic backwater. The Reapers striking Thessia after Earth or Palaven doesn't necessarily mean it was a secondary objective. Godwin ahead...

Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union after it had invaded Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway, and France, and had annexed Austria and the Sudetenland. Military expansion in Russia however, was the primary strategic goal for Nazi Germany.

There is also no indication that the Asari faced less Reapers than the Alliance did.

It is true that the Reapers achieved greater strategic surprise when attacking Earth compared to Thessua, but then that was also an embarrassing Alliance military and intelligence failure. The Batarians, much of the Terminus and Illium were struck first, so there is really no excuse for humanity being caught with its pants down. Illium also held out longer than Earth, despite bring hit first and being an independent entity not supported by the Asari Republics or other Council forces.

The Alliance really needed the Crucible and the final battle to redeem their military record, because prior to the final battle it had been abyssmal, and much less impressive than that of two of its Council partners (Turians & Asari). Only the Salarians were worse, in that they seem to have bizarrely sat the whole thing out until the final campaign.

 

I guess the problem is that Thessia isn't quite treated like it's the most strategically important place as far as the reapers are concerned, because they always constantly keep their primary focus in Sol. But then, really, the Citadel's location is really the single most important strategic location in the galaxy, yet they ignored it for most of the story, when rushing it in force would probably have sent the galaxy on an express trip to the harvest. 

[Roamingmachine]

I guess the problem is that Thessia isn't quite treated like it's the most strategically important place as far as the reapers are concerned, because they always constantly keep their primary focus in Sol. But then, really, the Citadel's location is really the single most important strategic location in the galaxy, yet they ignored it for most of the story, when rushing it in force would probably have sent the galaxy on an express trip to the harvest. 

 

 

Logic and ME3 don't mix. To this day i still don't know why earth, a resource depleted ball of ornery nation states, was so important in that game that the Alliance felt it necessary to concentrate most of their military might to defend it instead of Arcturus station. You know, the capital of the Alliance that the military left so poorly defended that the reapers squished so fast they didn't even get a warning off?

[LexXxich]

A note about Asari reproduction. While it's true that they can mate with anyone and an asari child is always asari, their natural reproduction rate seems to be extremely low. The most children an Asari seems to have is 3, the maturation period seems to be several hundred years (getting to matron stage). They are space elves, in that matter.

Compare it to, say, Krogans. Even with genophage active, they seem to have reproduction rates similar to humans. Adding extreme longevity and early maturation makes Krogan much more dangerous at "expansionist reproduction" thing.

[Shechinah]

A note about Asari reproduction. While it's true that they can mate with anyone and an asari child is always asari, their natural reproduction rate seems to be extremely low. The most children an Asari seems to have is 3, the maturation period seems to be several hundred years (getting to matron stage). They are space elves, in that matter.

Compare it to, say, Krogans. Even with genophage active, they seem to have reproduction rates similar to humans. Adding extreme longevity and early maturation makes Krogan much more dangerous at "expansionist reproduction" thing.

 

I think it would make sense that the asari do not have many children, wouldn't it? They live long and even with some of the oldest asari, we haven't seen any negative effects of becoming old. Unless something diminishes their numbers severely or they have a personal desire to, they wouldn't have much of a social pressure to reproduce.

[SolNebula]

Nope what happened in the last game should remain there. New galaxy, new stories.

 

Also these asari bashing threads are getting quite old.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

Thessia is the most ecomically important home planet in the Milky Way Galaxy. It was far more strategically important than Earth, which in comparison was no more than a galactic backwater. The Reapers striking Thessia after Earth or Palaven doesn't necessarily mean it was a secondary objective. Godwin ahead...

Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union after it had invaded Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway, and France, and had annexed Austria and the Sudetenland. Military expansion in Russia however, was the primary strategic goal for Nazi Germany.

There is also no indication that the Asari faced less Reapers than the Alliance did.

It is true that the Reapers achieved greater strategic surprise when attacking Earth compared to Thessua, but then that was also an embarrassing Alliance military and intelligence failure. The Batarians, much of the Terminus and Illium were struck first, so there is really no excuse for humanity being caught with its pants down. Illium also held out longer than Earth, despite bring hit first and being an independent entity not supported by the Asari Republics or other Council forces.

The Alliance really needed the Crucible and the final battle to redeem their military record, because prior to the final battle it had been abyssmal, and much less impressive than that of two of its Council partners (Turians & Asari). Only the Salarians were worse, in that they seem to have bizarrely sat the whole thing out until the final campaign.

The Reapers don't care about money they are here to harvest genetic diversity not invest in a fortune 500 company,Earth was hit by the ENTIRE,let that word sink in ENTIRE Reaper fleet.Once Earth was "taken" they broke up into smaller fleet and attacked multiple locations.

Once the Reapers ignored the hit and run tactics of the Asari,Thessia fell even faster than Earth did and they invaded with a mere fraction of with they hit Earth with.

Even the much vaunted Turians were hit by a smaller fleet,so this allowed them to bring large numbers against them with limited success.

[shodiswe]

They wern't exactly traitors, but they did commit a crime against their own established laws and regulations regarding Protean tech...

 

Then again, they might have been ashamed of the information they found in that relay, about how the Proteans tampered with them etz. Feeling that it weakened their position and might have feelt that it was deeply personal information... Missing that it had additional importance.

[DarthLaxian]

Nope what happened in the last game should remain there. New galaxy, new stories.

 

Also these asari bashing threads are getting quite old.

 

It's not bashing (not really - hell, I like the Asari! Aside from the Quarians and the Geth they are my favourite Mass Effect species, but they are seen in too positive a light (the only people who don't seem willing to trust them are criminals and Cerberus!), no one seems to distrust them, despite them being so powerful (I mean look at us humans: Many many people distrust the USA because they are - still - the most powerful (militarily speaking and economically they aren't slouches either) nation on Earth over all! Is some of that ok/normal? I mean the US did **** up (big time) a lot of people's ****, so yes it is, but there's a lot of people/countries that profitted from the US being so powerful, but still don't fully trust them!)

 

I like that with the degrader (leaving for a new galaxy puts all the races that come along on equal footing - unless one or several where to betray the rest and make off with critical supplies etc. - because no race is established anymore/has a greater industrial base etc.) all the races are on equal footing!

 

greetigns LAX

ps: I'd like to know something else though: Will the Quarians be without helmets now? (depends on when we left...I mean the Geth supposedly helped them, but would that only work as long as they have Rannoch? I mean their immun-system doesn't work like ours after all!)

[Dalinne]

I felt something was missing here.

Now I know what it was:

 

 

My job is done.

[NUM13ER]

The Asari withheld information so that they could stay on top and be this cycle's most powerful species-but if they had ever given it up, reapers may not have done much damage.

 

None of that matter now. The old feuds, political standings and ancient deceptions are meaningless. Not just because a new galaxy is a clean slate for all but it's also important that there is unity among the Milky Way's forces. 

In-universe it could take centuries, even millennia to reach Andromeda. So anyone caught up in such disputes is basically arguing over things that happened hundreds of light years away in the past. Considering what is at stake, it's incredibly petty when looking at the big picture.

 

Anyone who threatens the building of this new civilisation from within may find themselves extinct in short order.

[BioWareM0d13]

The Reapers don't care about money they are here to harvest genetic diversity not invest in a fortune 500 company,Earth was hit by the ENTIRE,let that word sink in ENTIRE Reaper fleet.Once Earth was "taken" they broke up into smaller fleet and attacked multiple locations.
Once the Reapers ignored the hit and run tactics of the Asari,Thessia fell even faster than Earth did and they invaded with a mere fraction of with they hit Earth with.
Even the much vaunted Turians were hit by a smaller fleet,so this allowed them to bring large numbers against them with limited success.

"The sinews of war are endless money. "

---Marcus Tullius Cicero

Thessia and the Citadel should have been primary strategic goals for the Reapers, because both were vital cogs in the galactic economy. Cripple the galactic economy and the Reapers hamstring the Council's war effort.

We aren't given orders of battle for the various campaigns the Reapers were involved in, so it is an assumption that more ships were deployed against Earth than Palaven or Thessia. That may not be correct as the Reapers may not have been committing the entirety of their fleets in each of those space battles, and the work of " processing" the civilian populace after occupation was being carried out by indoctrinated military and government forces and processing ships that were different from the capital ships.

If we're going with the assumption that the Reapers took a force projection hit with each planet they occupied, then Earth faced less Reapers than Khar'Shan or Illium. The Asari on Illium held out longer than Earth, and like Palaven, the planet never completely fell.

Thessia did not fall faster than Earth. The game in fact says the opposite. When the Reapers rolled into the Sol Ststem they routed the Alliance fleet in a set piece battle and immediately invaded and occupied Earth. The Sol System fell in a blitz. In contrast the Asari Republics fleets used hit and run tactics, winning several battles against the Reapers, managing to delay the invasion and occupation of Thessia.

Any way you look at it, the Alliance had a poorer military record against the Reapers than the Asari.

[SNascimento]

"The sinews of war are endless money. "

---Marcus Tullius Cicero

Any way you look at it, the Alliance had a poorer military record against the Reapers than the Asari.

Well, Cicero was talking about people that needed supplylines and stuff. It's clear that the Reaper priority was humanity. How much the Asari delayed the Fall of Thesia is impossible to tell since all we have is a few codex entries. My impression however is that once the Reaper got serious, the Asari had no chance, which is not really a problem, as this would be true for everybody else. And when the war becomes a ground war, nobody expect much from them. As highlighted by the fact them didn't play a protagonist role in neither previous major wars.

And I'd argue that last sentence is as valid as saying Russia had a poorer military record in WW2 than Brazil. 

[MrMrPendragon]

If all the asari in the ship have ridiculous manly jawlines like the man-sari in the trailer, then they can all burn in hell as traitors.

[KotorEffect3]

If all the asari in the ship have ridiculous manly jawlines like the man-sari in the trailer, then they can all burn in hell as traitors.

Well that is such a mature way to look at it.