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[Norhik Krios]

It's not like BioWare said a thousand times, that Andromeda will be it's own game... so why would the trilogy matter? I think this was discussed a hundred times already. 

[Giantdeathrobot]

So basically, the expedition leaves before ME3, that's all but confirmed. Which gives us a motive, and since it's before the Crucible was a thing it explains why ressources were devoted to the Arks.

 

Still doesn't explain why Shepard never hears or talks about it. But we know the doylist answer to that particular question, don't we?

[ZipZap2000]

So basically, the expedition leaves before ME3, that's all but confirmed. Which gives us a motive, and since it's before the Crucible was a thing it explains why ressources were devoted to the Arks.

Still doesn't explain why Shepard never hears or talks about it. But we know the doylist answer to that particular question, don't we?

People are gunna pull this story apart pretty quickly.

So far as anyone in Andromeda knows; The Council just sacrificed the entire milky way galaxy and everyone in it, including Shepard. While spending all available resources, enough to build a fleet to fight the Reapers, on getting those Ark ships out of there.

Shepard is out of the loop and not involved. Which means at sone point he was discounted and may even be viewed as a villain who's under house arrest for blowing up Batarians and joining Cerberus.

So, yes. Your Shepard was distracting the Reapers and may even have a bad rep. While your Ryder escaped out the back door.

[felipejiraya]

I'm just conjecturing, but what if the Ark leave Earth when Shepard is "arrested" because of his actions on the Arrival DLC? That would explain why he's out of the loop on the matter and could indicate a Plan B was set in motion since the Alliance/Council didn't trusted Shepard at that moment because of his work with Cerberus and the explosion of the Bahak system.

[Drone223]

I'm just conjecturing, but what if the Ark leave Earth when Shepard is "arrested" because of his actions on the Arrival DLC? That would explain why he's out of the loop on the matter and could indicate a Plan B was set in motion since the Alliance/Council didn't trusted Shepard at that moment because of his work with Cerberus and the explosion of the Bahak system.

There were three massive ark ships orbiting the earth there is no why it would go unnoticed by Shepard.

[AlanC9]

How do you figure that? They wouldn't be naked-eye visible from the surface.

[InterrogationBear]

How do you figure that? They wouldn't be naked-eye visible from the surface.

You can see the ISS every night. Three several hundred, maybe even 1000+ m long ships in a low orbit would probably be visible at all times. Everybody would know about such a huge project anyway.

[Fredward]

In other news: fire is hot.

 

And as for why we never heard of the Arks, I'm pretty sure that's about as much of a retcon as retcon gets. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing if you've been backed in a corner and I think I'd actually prefer them just saying "Oh we added in this afterwards" than see the explanation for why we would have never heard of several civilization seeding vessels planning on traveling to ****** Andromeda through dark space.

[Grieving Natashina]

There's only three Ark ships though, as far as I can tell. Those ships also didn't look like they were in low orbit as far as I can tell. Folks might see them, but would probably easily dismiss them as something else. I doubt that they would be so bright that the common person would take that much notice.

When it comes to the general populous knowing about such a project, I'm going to disagree. I'm betting that if the Ark was built or repurposed, the people involved would want to keep it on the down low. Plus, if the Ark(s) bail before ME3 starts, then that will blow the cover that the Reapers were just Geth. It could cause panic, so they might have kept their mouths shut for that reason.

That and probably a bit of retcon as well, but I'm expecting that. It's all speculation of course. It's still pretty much all we've got at this point.

[KroganSoul]

how could it they are on 2 different systems.

[countofhell]

So it is true, according to this article the Andromeda is set long AFTER the Milky Way was cleared from the Reapers. This explains the very advanced Ark technology.

[Guanxii]

If the ark leaves shortly before ME2 that makes sense why we don't hear about it and why they would play it up as alienkind's next step in galactic media because the real motivation for this expedition would be classified at this point. Perhaps people on the ark don't even know what a reaper is let alone the rest.

 

Putting together this project would take considerable resources - it explains what happened to sovereign and why the galaxy was so under prepared for the reaper invasion (our solution had already left the galaxy at that point). Perhaps the pre-genophage cure Krogan were not seen as a threat which is why they were invited to participate.

 

Maybe the council lied about the hologram on illos and covered up the reapers to prevent a scramble for effectively the last remaining life boats - they held onto the lie afterwards because if it ever got out that they sent the rest of us left behind up the river with no paddle in organizing this exodus for the elite their heads would end up on pikes.

 

Quarians have the largest fleet and some of the best engineers so their co-operation would be important. Geth would have to gate-crash the party but Geth are software so they could be snuck on board easily. Batarian hegemony's top engineers have in depth knowledge of reaper anatomy and some very rich plutocrats so some kind of deal would have been agreed with the council to permit their safe passage along with the rest of us.

[Remix-General Aetius]

Did you not play the Citadel DLC? It confirmed that the Council believed Shepard, and only publically denied the Reaper threat. And placing that information in the Archives with data on Sovereign demonstrates they took it seriously since the Battle of the Citadel.

 

In the archives Sovereign was referred to as "Geth dreadnought" or something.

[ZipZap2000]

In the archives Sovereign was referred to as "Geth dreadnought" or something.

I think it says the year then Geth Dreadnought attack.

Then 'Spectre status recognised' the Dreadnought disappears, Sovereign appears and im sure it names him.

[Ahriman]

In the archives Sovereign was referred to as "Geth dreadnought" or something.

Well, play it again then. Once Spectre status confirmed picture and record changes to Sovereign. Edited public version even has actual geth ship instead of Reaper. I don't know how more obvious this scene could be.

[BadgerladDK]

I'm pretty sure that while the endings won't effect anything it may be referenced in some dialogue. Maybe. Like they say they want to move on but I'm sure the MAJOR choices and perhaps who your romance was will be said in light conversation. 

 

Why would romance choices from the trilogy ever be brought up in Andromeda? "Hey Ryder, did you hear Shepard, the commander of another ship, is slipping the trouser maw to an Asari?"

[ZipZap2000]

Well, play it again then. Once Spectre status confirmed picture and record changes to Sovereign. Edited public version even has actual geth ship instead of Reaper. I don't know how more obvious this scene could be.

It 100% depicts a council cover up and debunks any indoctrinated council theories.


Question: Wouldn't Udina tell Cerberus, who tell Reapers, who fly out to catch the Ark? Unless they're moving faster than an actual Reaper?

[Remix-General Aetius]

It 100% depicts a council cover up and debunks any indoctrinated council theories.


Question: Wouldn't Udina tell Cerberus, who tell Reapers, who fly out to catch the Ark? Unless they're moving faster than an actual Reaper?

 

What would then be the point of the Council flat out telling Shepard he's dreaming? In ME2 especially. It's obvious that Cerberus believes in the Reapers, so does everyone else who is with Shepard at that point, and Anderson. Everyone in that meeting knows exactly what's what, so why the song & dance about having dismissed those pipe dreams?

 

They're afraid Shepard will go around protesting the legitimacy of his concerns? He's already spouting out Reaper doomsday phrases to anyone who will listen.

[Blooddrunk1004]

Question: Wouldn't Udina tell Cerberus, who tell Reapers, who fly out to catch the Ark? Unless they're moving faster than an actual Reaper?

Udina most likely was not corrupted by the time Ark started leaving and even if he was and told Reapers or Cerberus about it, i don't think they would care.

[ZipZap2000]

What would then be the point of the Council flat out telling Shepard he's dreaming? In ME2 especially. It's obvious that Cerberus believes in the Reapers, so does everyone else who is with Shepard at that point, and Anderson. Everyone in that meeting knows exactly what's what, so why the song & dance about having dismissed those pipe dreams?

'Dreaming' in ME1 are either no Reaper knowledge, which changes post Sovereign or they have a Spectre getting too close to the truth.

ME2 You're working for Cerberus. Not a great idea to tell known terrorists about your top secret survival plan, which must not fail under any circumstance. Remember Cerberus didn't change while Shep was dead, they attacked the Quarians and tried to infiltrate the flotilla at one point.

[ZipZap2000]

Udina most likely was not corrupted by the time Ark started leaving and even if he was and told Reapers or Cerberus about it, i don't think they would care.

I suppose they didn't care will cut it actually I'm not desperate to really fight this if I'm being honest.

[Ahriman]

Question: Wouldn't Udina tell Cerberus, who tell Reapers, who fly out to catch the Ark? Unless they're moving faster than an actual Reaper?

Option 1 - Udina is not complete idiot (unlikely, yeah) and wasn't telling everything to his blue-eyed buddy.

Option 2 - Udina was denied any information, but judging by Arks being built on Earth's orbit (I still can't wrap my thoughts about it, it doesn't make any sense in terms of secrecy) Alliance was heavily involved in project, if not leading it.

Option 3 - Reapers knew about it, but didn't make it in time since ships are undetectable once they are on FTL.

[NRieh]

I'm holding on to my prediction we leave before the Genophage is cured. Possibly before Reapers arrive.

But after Arrival DLC.

Mac said NONE OF THE MAJOR DECISIONS IMPACT ON ANDROMEDA

Which I take to mean we're off before the Genophage question is even asked let alone answered.

Interesting. Does it mean that Andromeda is going to have genophaged Krogans?

Oopsy, looks like that race won't last untill the ME6....   

[ZipZap2000]

Option 1 - Udina is not complete idiot (unlikely, yeah) and wasn't telling everything to his blue-eyed buddy.
Option 2 - Udina was denied any information, but judging by Arks being built on Earth's orbit (I still can't wrap my thoughts about it, it doesn't make any sense in terms of secrecy) Alliance was heavily involved in project, if not leading it.
Option 3 - Reapers knew about it, but didn't make it in time since ships are undetectable once they are on FTL.

Option 3 please.

[ZipZap2000]

Interesting. Does it mean that Andromeda is going to have genophaged Krogans?
Oopsy, looks like that race won't last untill the ME6....

Doubtful.

It gets pointed out a lot around here that there were 2.5 Genophage cures across 3 games. So it clearly cant be that difficult.